# Air India - Boeing Crash 2025-06-12 **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** breaking-news\ **Created:** [June 12, 2025, 10:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/air-india-boeing-crash-2025-06-12/1019517 "2025-06-12T10:00:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/air-india-boeing-crash-2025-06-12/1019517/41 "2025-06-12T17:49:10Z")
> [@Pork\_Rind](#): > > I’m going to break this link so as not to post a link direct to Twitter, but the plane sounds and looks like the propeller for the ram air turbine is deployed and that the engines are quiet or silent. The sound isn’t great, really, and jets can sound different depending on where you’re standing and what’s around you to direct sound. If the engines were powerful enough to get it off the ground, why would they fail immediately upon takeoff? It’s very strange. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/air-india-boeing-crash-2025-06-12/1019517/42 "2025-06-12T18:04:07Z")
Trump has weighed in, calling it “one of the most worst crashes in aviation history.” _(sic)_ ---
**Author:** ![GargoyleWB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gargoylewb/32/199_2.png) [@GargoyleWB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GargoyleWB)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/air-india-boeing-crash-2025-06-12/1019517/43 "2025-06-12T18:12:55Z")
On another site there was a picture what appeared to show the Ram Air Turbine was deployed. It is a small wind-powered blade generator that pops out of the belly when main generator power is lost. It makes quite a loud bang when it deploys. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/air-india-boeing-crash-2025-06-12/1019517/44 "2025-06-12T18:17:12Z")
This is helpful: “Experts speculate that it could have been caused by engine trouble or other mechanical issues.” ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/air-india-boeing-crash-2025-06-12/1019517/45 "2025-06-12T18:48:15Z")
I’ve been reading articles about this and I haven’t seen anything about communication between the plane and the control tower during the takeoff and (gulp) crash. Is there any info on that? ---
**Author:** ![MacDoc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/macdoc/32/18696_2.png) [@MacDoc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacDoc)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/air-india-boeing-crash-2025-06-12/1019517/46 "2025-06-12T18:50:04Z")
Only that a mayday was issued. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/air-india-boeing-crash-2025-06-12/1019517/47 "2025-06-12T18:53:30Z")
> [@Maserschmidt](#): > > This is helpful: “Experts speculate that it could have been caused by engine trouble or other mechanical issues.” Ironically, it probably wasn’t a problem with the engines. The chance of both engines failing at the same time is incredibly slim. Both engines failing together points to something like fuel contamination. ---
**Author:** ![Pork\_Rind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pork_rind/32/111_2.png) [@Pork\_Rind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pork_Rind)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/air-india-boeing-crash-2025-06-12/1019517/48 "2025-06-12T19:02:43Z")
Or a bird ingestion. Apparently that’s a quite ‘bird-y’ airport. > **[Air India flight AI171 hit by 'multiple bird strikes' seconds after take-off](https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/travel/air-india-flight-ai171-hit-31842678)** > > An Air India flight headed for London Gatwick with more than 240 people on board crashed in India shortly after takeoff on Thursday. > **[SVPI Airport Cuts Bird Strikes by 40% in 2024: A Milestone in Aviation Safety...](https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/ahmedabad/svpi-airport-cuts-bird-strikes-by-40-in-2024-a-milestone-in-aviation-safety/articleshow/115851258.cms)** > > In a groundbreaking achievement, Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel International (SVPI) Airport in Ahmedabad has reduced bird strike incidents by 40% in 2024, implementing innovative measures like targeted vegetation management and advanced deterrents to... A passenger that was on that plane for the inbound flight posted a series of videos of all the broken things on the plane. I recognize that malfunctioning entertainment systems and non-working AC don’t mean much as far as the engines and flight controls are concerned, but that the person thought the plane was janky enough to post about it before the crash is interesting. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/air-india-boeing-crash-2025-06-12/1019517/49 "2025-06-12T19:04:19Z")
> [@MacDoc](#): > > Only that a mayday was issued. Wow. I guess everything happened so fast. Maybe there was something more but it hasn’t been released yet? ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/air-india-boeing-crash-2025-06-12/1019517/50 "2025-06-12T19:24:05Z")
> [@Pork\_Rind](#): > > Or a bird ingestion. Apparently that’s a quite ‘bird-y’ airport. Yeah, bird strikes would do it, if a large flock got sucked into both engines. ---
**Author:** ![MacDoc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/macdoc/32/18696_2.png) [@MacDoc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacDoc)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/air-india-boeing-crash-2025-06-12/1019517/51 "2025-06-12T19:30:57Z")
FWIW Somewhat informed speculation about a RAT employment implies catastrophic failure of both engines and most power systems as the the RAT is automatically employed to provide bare essential control. It fits with the bang the one survivor heard ( RAT deployment), lack of landing gear retraction, lack of sound of a fully loaded 787 in take-off power mode( loud) and uncertain flap and slot configuration. The RAT is noisy and audible which appears to be the case - crew in barely controllable glider 675’ above airport verge…incredible the guy WALKED away from it. 😱 B/Law is Qantas captain and he confirm one engine out would still allow the plane to fly…it has that much power but both out = crash. This would also fit with multiple bird strikes scenario noted above but seems nothing in the better videos can be seen. That would certainly be a situation for automatic RAT deployment No handy Hudson River to glide to. ---
**Author:** ![MacDoc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/macdoc/32/18696_2.png) [@MacDoc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacDoc)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/air-india-boeing-crash-2025-06-12/1019517/52 "2025-06-12T19:52:32Z")
Small update apparently Mayday said “no thrust, plane not taking lift.”’ > **[Revealed: Air India pilot's frantic mayday call seconds before crash](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14807253/Air-India-pilots-desperate-mayday-call-seconds-devastating-crash-experts-raise-fears-wing-flaps-didnt-look-right-amid-hunt-second-black-box.html)** > > The London-bound Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner plunged into the busy suburb just seconds after taking off from Ahmedabad Airport this morning, claiming the lives of all but one passenger. > **['I missed Air India flight by 10 minutes – here's what happened after crash'](https://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-radio/2067847/what-happened-after-india-plane-crash?int_source=nba)** > > An Indian airliner crashed just moments after takeoff, killing everyone on board - but there is one person who managed to escape the tragedy. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/air-india-boeing-crash-2025-06-12/1019517/53 "2025-06-12T20:13:24Z")
Grim milestone: If it’s confirmed this one guy is the lone survivor, that’ll exceed the **[previous record](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwest_Airlines_Flight_255)** by a pretty wide margin. ---
**Author:** ![MacDoc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/macdoc/32/18696_2.png) [@MacDoc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacDoc)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/air-india-boeing-crash-2025-06-12/1019517/54 "2025-06-12T20:22:48Z")
Incredible that he walked out under his own power. Very lucky survive. He was in the best seat to exit quickly Hard to refute the video evidence, he had his flight pass Looking at some of the video it’s clear the plane took off under power as you can see the dust plumes off the tarmac…then they stop and the plane starts to sink. ---
**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/air-india-boeing-crash-2025-06-12/1019517/55 "2025-06-12T20:25:40Z")
I do wonder about this survivor. I hope it’s not some guy who stole the identity of one of the dead passengers. I’ve seen some elaborate scams in India! ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/air-india-boeing-crash-2025-06-12/1019517/56 "2025-06-12T20:25:58Z")
A good Youtube video by VAS Aviation: [https://youtu.be/Tyb6EbTvYpY](https://youtu.be/Tyb6EbTvYpY) ---
**Author:** ![MacDoc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/macdoc/32/18696_2.png) [@MacDoc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacDoc)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/air-india-boeing-crash-2025-06-12/1019517/57 "2025-06-12T20:29:45Z")
> [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](#): > > I do wonder about this survivor. I hope it’s not some guy who stole the identity of one of the dead passengers. I’ve seen some elaborate scams in India! Seriously stupid comment. 🤬 ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/air-india-boeing-crash-2025-06-12/1019517/58 "2025-06-12T20:30:24Z")
Regarding the sole survivor, on All Things Considered, they said that he climbed out and then called his family back in London. That must have been one amazing call. “Yeah, my plane crashed but I’m okay.” Sadly, though, his brother was seated next to him and apparently didn’t survive. ---
**Author:** ![MacDoc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/macdoc/32/18696_2.png) [@MacDoc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacDoc)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/air-india-boeing-crash-2025-06-12/1019517/59 "2025-06-12T20:32:40Z")
His brother was not seated next to him but elsewhere near by. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/hVX_F39SKpY/maxresdefault.jpg "Airline Pilot Reveals CHILLING Clue in Final Moments of Air India Flight 171") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVX_F39SKpY) ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2025, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/air-india-boeing-crash-2025-06-12/1019517/60 "2025-06-12T20:33:47Z")
Sorry; that’s what NPR reported. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/air-india-boeing-crash-2025-06-12/1019517.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/air-india-boeing-crash-2025-06-12/1019517.md?page=4)