# Air marshal perv caught in the act, arrested **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 18, 2013, 9:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/air-marshal-perv-caught-in-the-act-arrested/671562 "2013-10-18T09:27:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2013, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/air-marshal-perv-caught-in-the-act-arrested/671562/21 "2013-10-18T17:32:17Z")
I always thought Air Marshall must be a horribly boring job. I guess when the mind wanders… ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2013, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/air-marshal-perv-caught-in-the-act-arrested/671562/22 "2013-10-18T18:05:02Z")
_“What? Oh… I thought you wanted me to be a Hair Marshall.”_ ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2013, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/air-marshal-perv-caught-in-the-act-arrested/671562/23 "2013-10-18T20:14:29Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > He was looking for bombs. [Snukes[sup]\*[/sup],](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Snuke) specifically. [sup]\*[/sup]C’mon, surely I’m not the first one to think of that “South Park” episode. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2013, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/air-marshal-perv-caught-in-the-act-arrested/671562/24 "2013-10-18T22:21:33Z")
> [@Crotalus](#): > > A bit more on the witness. **Tom Tildrum** assumed right. > > [Link](http://www.wkrn.com/story/23721777/air-marshal-arrested-after-taking-pictures-up-passengers-skirts) Thanks to both of you for your contribution. ---
**Author:** ![Spiderman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spiderman/32/230_2.png) [@Spiderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiderman)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2013, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/air-marshal-perv-caught-in-the-act-arrested/671562/25 "2013-10-19T03:00:46Z")
While in no way trying to defend the air marshal, how is the other guy not charged? It doesn’t state _he_ was a cop but isn’t he commiting theft & assault by forcibly taking the phone away from Mr. Pervy. > [@](#): > > Rey Collazo told News 2 exclusively he first saw Bartsch taking photographs while boarding the plane. He did not know he was an on-duty air marshal at the time. > > “I just reached over with my left hand and grabbed it, struggled with him a little bit and I got the better part of the phone and twisted and hit him with my right hand between the neck and the shoulder. Shoved him back and I took the phone,” Collazo said. Sorry, I don’t think he’s a hero but a jackass. Had he \*just \*reported it to flight staff/PD then my answer would be different. ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2013, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/air-marshal-perv-caught-in-the-act-arrested/671562/26 "2013-10-19T03:04:58Z")
\*“Honestly, I was just checking for another underwear bomber.” \* ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2013, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/air-marshal-perv-caught-in-the-act-arrested/671562/27 "2013-10-19T03:08:03Z")
> [@Spiderman](#): > > While in no way trying to defend the air marshal, how is the other guy not charged? It doesn’t state _he_ was a cop but isn’t he commiting theft & assault by forcibly taking the phone away from Mr. Pervy. > Sorry, I don’t think he’s a hero but a jackass. Had he \*just \*reported it to flight staff/PD then my answer would be different. Citizen’s arrest, most likely. The AM was committing a crime. It also prevents the AM from erasing the evidence. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2013, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/air-marshal-perv-caught-in-the-act-arrested/671562/28 "2013-10-19T03:15:07Z")
> [@Spiderman](#): > > isn’t he commiting theft & assault by forcibly taking the phone away from Mr. Pervy. Acting in the defense of others is a defense to an assault charge. ---
**Author:** ![Spiderman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spiderman/32/230_2.png) [@Spiderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiderman)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2013, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/air-marshal-perv-caught-in-the-act-arrested/671562/29 "2013-10-19T03:37:35Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > Acting in the defense of others is a defense to an assault charge. Who was he defending as no one was in danger from a physical standpoint? Since I presume air marshal was in an aisle seat, that means Mr. Vigilante was in window or middle seat. He could just as easily said, “Excuse me, I neet to go to the bathroom.” Walked fore or aft & told a member of the flight crew to contact PD while out of earshot. Mr. Pervy would have been none the wiser until a uniform was in front of him. This is classic two wrongs don’t make a right vigilante justice in my book. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2013, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/air-marshal-perv-caught-in-the-act-arrested/671562/30 "2013-10-19T03:39:29Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > Acting in the defense of others is a defense to an assault charge. Aye, and I would think that taking away the artifact used in commission of a crime could hardly be called “theft”. Is it “theft” to disarm a robber? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2013, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/air-marshal-perv-caught-in-the-act-arrested/671562/31 "2013-10-19T03:43:05Z")
> [@Spiderman](#): > > Who was he defending as no one was in danger from a physical standpoint? **Since I presume air marshal was in an aisle seat, that means Mr. Vigilante was in window or middle seat**. He could just as easily said, “Excuse me, I neet to go to the bathroom.” Walked fore or aft & told a member of the flight crew to contact PD while out of earshot. Mr. Pervy would have been none the wiser until a uniform was in front of him. This is classic two wrongs don’t make a right vigilante justice in my book. (bolding mine) So the airplanes that you’ve been on only have 1 aisle seat per row? ---
**Author:** ![Rick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9f8e36/32.png) [@Rick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2013, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/air-marshal-perv-caught-in-the-act-arrested/671562/32 "2013-10-19T03:56:11Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > (bolding mine) > > So the airplanes that you’ve been on only have 1 aisle seat per row? Well yeah [http://www.biplanefun.com](http://www.biplanefun.com) ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2013, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/air-marshal-perv-caught-in-the-act-arrested/671562/33 "2013-10-19T04:05:27Z")
> [@Spiderman](#): > > Who was he defending as no one was in danger from a physical standpoint? Who said anything about physical danger? That is not an element of the defense. If you want to argue that his defense should fail due to his defense of the woman was disproportionate, go right ahead. I expect that you would loose, but that’s just IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2013, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/air-marshal-perv-caught-in-the-act-arrested/671562/34 "2013-10-19T04:13:40Z")
[Video Voyeurism Prevention Act of 2004](http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1801) > [@](#): > > Whoever, in the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States, has the intent to capture an image of a private area of an individual without their consent, and knowingly does so under circumstances in which the individual has a reasonable expectation of privacy, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both. > [@](#): > > the term “a private area of the individual” means the naked or undergarment clad genitals, pubic area, buttocks, or female breast of that individual; > (4) the term “female breast” means any portion of the female breast below the top of the areola; and ---
**Author:** ![Fubaya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@Fubaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fubaya)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2013, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/air-marshal-perv-caught-in-the-act-arrested/671562/35 "2013-10-19T05:30:10Z")
The vigilante saw him taking photos while boarding the plane. I’m thinking the marshal was seated and after a lady passed, and were possibly stopped near him, he stuck the phone under her skirt and the guy saw him. He obviously wasn’t trying to steal the phone, no need to charge him with theft. ---
**Author:** ![user\_hostile](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/user_hostile/32/474_2.png) [@user\_hostile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/user_hostile)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2013, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/air-marshal-perv-caught-in-the-act-arrested/671562/36 "2013-10-19T05:45:24Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > [Video Voyeurism Prevention Act of 2004](http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1801) The law in its current form is clearly sexist and demeaning; no mention of man-boobs How do we protect middle-aged men from this sort of titillating exploitation? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/air-marshal-perv-caught-in-the-act-arrested/671562.md?page=1)