# Airbus strikes firetruck on runway \[Peru\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [November 19, 2022, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/airbus-strikes-firetruck-on-runway-peru/975206 "2022-11-19T15:12:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2022, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/airbus-strikes-firetruck-on-runway-peru/975206/21 "2022-11-27T04:58:50Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > So crossing the runway 22 hold line was normal expected behavior. Yes, but they would have been given clearance to cross the runway and also directed to the intersecting taxiway. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2022, 11:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/airbus-strikes-firetruck-on-runway-peru/975206/22 "2022-11-27T11:49:21Z")
Per the NTSB accident report readout of the CVR, the relevant radio traffic was > [@](#): > > 06:02:01.3 > RDO-2 Comair one ninety one is ready to taxi we have ALPHA. > 06:02:03.8 > GND Comair one ninety one, taxi to runway two two. altimeter three > zero zero zero and the winds are two zero zero at eight. > 06:02:08.9 > RDO-2 three triple zero and taxi two two, Comair one ninety one. No mention of the taxi route, no mention of the need to cross another runway to get there. No mention of clearance to cross that other (closed) runway to get there. The controller used the exact same phraseology several times to other RJs departing before the accident aircraft. Note that the airport has been significantly modified since the accident so referring to current nav charts is unhelpful. In fact it was under extensive construction at the time of the accident. The NTSB report has some detailed aerial photos taken at the time which reflect the actual arrangement of runways and taxiways that day. The NTSB report also indicates that the government-issued charts, the Jeppesen charts the crew had, and the actual reality on the ground were each different. Construction was happening faster than the roughly 2-month revision cycle of charts could keep up. Which is not uncommon. Taxiways were in the process of being renamed and the actual route to the correct runway was marked only with temporary signage which may or may not have been lit. It was well pre-dawn. A complete and correct taxi clearance would have been something like “Comair 191 taxi runway 26 via alpha, cross runway 22.” A complete and correct readback would have been something like “Taxi runway 26 via alpha, cross runway 22, Comair 191” It’s very important when discussing accidents to distinguish between what should have been done and what was actually done. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2022, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/airbus-strikes-firetruck-on-runway-peru/975206/23 "2022-11-27T15:48:05Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > It’s very important when discussing accidents to distinguish between what should have been done and what was actually done. I originally thought they rolled over the runway numbers in the turn and could not see them with their lights. However, zooming in on the satellite view in the Wiki Page the runway numbers were at the very end. so they theoretically would have seen them before they made the turn. They seem to be in an odd place with no buffer from the end. This is another example of a fatal crash that involved a series of events that came together and not a single event. IPADS with the taxi charts are probably a huge benefit to the aviation community and would have mitigated the errors that took place. They were a massive leap for general aviation over the handhelds they replaced and at a fraction of the price. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2022, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/airbus-strikes-firetruck-on-runway-peru/975206/24 "2022-11-27T16:15:38Z")
There was a Straight Dope thread on this crash: > [@Plane Crash in Kentucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plane-crash-in-kentucky/370406): > > Delta 5191 out of Lexington, bound for Atlanta, crashed this morning a mile from Blue Grass Airport. 50 people on board, of whom 1 survived. He’s in critical condition at UK hospital. The reason for the crash is not currently known; witnesses report a fire, but it is not clear whether the fire came before or after the crash. CNN is covering it live. Are all of our Kentucky Dopers ok? ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2022, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/airbus-strikes-firetruck-on-runway-peru/975206/25 "2022-11-28T03:13:11Z")
[The Washington Post 27 November 2022](https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/11/27/plane-crash-power-lines-montgomery/) # Rescue effort underway to get pilot, passenger out of plane tangled in power lines in Maryland - Nearly 90,000 homes and businesses are without power in Montgomery County, Pepco says - Crews were planning and working late into the night on Sunday to rescue the occupants of a small airplane entangled in high voltage power lines north of Montgomery Village in Montgomery County, Md. - The conditions of the occupants of the plane were unclear. County fire chief Scott Goldstein refused to specify the conditions, but said authorities were in cell phone contact with them. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2022, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/airbus-strikes-firetruck-on-runway-peru/975206/26 "2022-11-28T03:47:28Z")
Interesting story, but I bet you meant to put this in the ongoing GA thread. That plane doesn’t so much look “entangled in power lines” as “impaled on a power tower.” ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2022, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/airbus-strikes-firetruck-on-runway-peru/975206/27 "2022-11-28T04:58:33Z")
Yes, thanks for catching that. I reposted it in the GA thread. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/airbus-strikes-firetruck-on-runway-peru/975206.md?page=1)