Not on Southwest, it won’t. They don’t serve any food besides the peanuts (or sometimes a smooshed package of Lorna Doones).
RenMan, I’m a New Mexican, and I take offense at your insensitive and geographic-areaist gibe about the bubonic plague. You’ll be hearing from my lawyer.
Purd Werfect, you forgot people named John since Jack is sometimes a nickname for people named John.
I called my brother last night to ask him what we said, and he laughed and said he’d seen the story and asked his wife the same thing. He says we used “tiger”, although I’m still pretty sure it was “monkey.” The first time he heard the “nigger” version was when this story broke. I’d come across it before, but I’m interested in folklore. FTR, we grew up in Pennsylvania during the 70’s. Oh, and Sublight, we also used “My mother and your mother.”
As I said over in the other thread, in my opinion, the plaintiffs are being ridiculous. More to the point, this makes it harder for those who suffer real racism because it’s a little too close to crying “Wolf!” I’m afraid my attitude is, “Grow up and sit down. Worse things happen to better people every day.”
Sheeesh!
CJ
The lawsuit is groundless but give them a case of Brazil nuts as compensation.
I used “bubble gum bubble gum” and “one potato two potato”, but my version of “my mother and your mother” is different:
My mother and your mother
lived across the way
15, 16 east broadway
every night, they’d have a fight
and this is what they’d say:
icka bricka bracka soda cracker
out - goes - YOU!
I have no idea why a Detroit-area girl grew up with a rhyme talking about 15 and 16 east broadway and mentioning soda crackers (neither of which seems to be local usage). Maybe I learned it from my Grandma, who lived in Pennsylvania until she was married… She’s also the one from whom I learned the jump rope rhyme:
Cinderella
dressed in yella
went upstairs to kiss her fella
by mistake she kissed a snake
how many doctors will it take?
(start counting)
As far as the actual lawsuit : :rolleyes:. I grew up with “catch a tiger by its toe” and I haven’t seen Pulp Fiction, so the first time I heard it was not originally “tiger” was reading the OP of this thread.
Just how much of outr taxpayer dollars has this NONSENSE already eaten up?
We have to pay the judge’s salary, plus the court overhead to listen to this nonsense…can the judge issue a hefty fine to these nincompoops? And, the moronic “lawyer” who filed the complaint should be disbarred!
Good joke, but the alleged connection between that rhyme and the plague has been pretty much debunked.
Tyger! Tyger! By the toe.
If he hollers, let him go.
What immortal hand or eye…
Wait… wrong poem. Okay:
Eenie, meenie, minie, mo,
Catch a tiger by his toe.
If he hollers, let him go;
Eenie, meenie, minie, mo.
That’s the version I learned as a child. Years later, when I learned that the original word was “nigger” rather than “tiger”, it finally struck me that tigers don’t holler. although they do purr, growl and roar.
In my youth, we used to go to a family restaurant called Sambo’s. I think it’s still around, but under a different name.
Are we sure the original word was nigger???
Could it be that some racists long ago put their own slant on it because that word rhymed with tiger???
Oops. My last post is what happens when I only read the first page of a 3-page thread.
I’m fairly sure the original word was “nigger” simply because of the use of “holler”, and that “tiger” was substituted later, taking advantage of its similarity in sound. Could be wrong, of course.
“My mother and your mother”! That’s the one I was trying to remember yesterday!
Then there’s the one I learned from Monty Python: “Dip dip dip, my little ship, sails on the ocean you are…” Oh wait, I left out a dip. Maybe I should try scissors-paper-stone instead. I have some very good scissors.
[Brazilian guy in Simpsons episode]
Here we just call them nuts
[/Brazilian guy]
I learned both versions, the tiger version from my parents, and the n-version from other kids. I (and I suspect most of the other kids) had no idea the word was offensive until I used it in front of my parents and got in trouble. Not many people of African Ancestry in the arctic. Or the subarctic, for that matter.
On the other hand, calling another female a “black squaw” would get you beaten into the dirt. Still will.
Counting rhymes - all the ones mentioned here, plus “Engine, Engine number nine/Goin’ down the Chicago line/If the train should jump its track/How many engines put it back?” Kid says number, count out the number, then “My mother said to pick the very best one and you are not it” Then that kid was out.
Or “Mickey Mouse built a house/One brick fell OUT!”
Or everybody just shrieked “Nottit” and the last one to shout was the loser and It.
It wasn’t a choosing chant, it was a hand game and we sang
Chitty Chitty Bang-Bang
Sitting on a fence
Trying to make a dollar
Out of fifteen cents.
She missed, she missed, she missed like this.
Now a Chinaman sitting on a fence makes more sense than a car, but then there’s all that “she” stuff at the end.
Somebody should start a GQ about the origins of these little ditties.
I grew up in south Texas and heard only the “tiger” version while growing up (And I imagine I probably would have had my mouth washed out with soap if I’d sang the other one!)
What a ridiculous lawsuit.
As fas as the “my mother, your mother” rhyme goes, I learned it like:
My mother, your mother
lives across the street
18, 19 Alligator street
Every night they fuss and fight
and this is what they say:
Boys are rotton, made out of cotton
Girls are handy (or dandy), made out of candy
Boys go to Jupiter to get more stupider (Yes, I know.)
Girls go to Mars, to get more candy bars (Or “where there’s more movie stars.”)
I also wasn’t supposed to call people stupid when I was little, so I couldn’t let mom hear me say that one.
I couldn’t agree more. When I was in college I saw a campus cop putting a tire boot on a car that was parked in a No Parking zone behind the book store. During this process, the owner, a young black woman, came out of the book store, saw what the cop was doing, and immediately began raising holy hell. She was yelling that he was only booting her car because she was black (like he would have known), she should have known better than to go to a redneck college (University of Oklahoma), etc., etc. She didn’t let up – I mean, she barely took a breath.
She was so loud that a crowd started gathering to see what all the commotion was. Nobody was really showing acitve sympathy (yelling, “Right on, Sister!” or whatever), but you could tell the young (white) cop was getting spooked. His trying to talk with her produced zero results, and he eventually just removed the boot.
The whole episode made me literally sick to my stomach. It’s the trivialization that bothers me. I pictured Martin Luther King turning in his grave.
BTW, I grew up in west Texas in the '60’s and the “n-version” of Eeny-Meeny-Miney-Mo was the only version I heard until I was a teenager. On the other hand, we were oil field trash: it had it’s very own culture.
I didn’t know about the “nigger” version of this until several months ago. I think I might have run across it on this board. I can’t say I’m surprised, but I’m amazed at this lawsuit. Growing up mostly in Texas in the 80s I NEVER heard anything but the tiger version.
Though a few people I knew did think the following rhyme was the height of humor – “I am Chinese, I play joke, I put peepee in your Coke!”, recited while pulling your eyes outwards. This always made me slightly uncomfortable, though I didn’t quite realize why until everybody outgrew that stuff.
I’m no lawyer, but…precedent in topic 2?
I learned the ‘tiger’ version of this little diity. I never knew, until I read about the lawsuit, that there were any racist versions of the rhyme. (I am from Alb, NM)
What really pisses me off about the lawsuit is that SouthWest has made it a point to let crews on their flights to have fun with the passengers. The stewardess obviously was trying to make the quick boarding fun. If the stewardess said “Enie Menie Miniey Moe, Hey you Black Bitches sit your N***** asses down” there would be a basis for a lawsuit. My understanding is that the stewardess made the announcement to everyone on the flight. Unless everyone on the flight was Black I cannot see a racist attitude from the stewardess.
Slee
“The wonderful thing about tiggers
is tiggers are wonderful things
their tops are made out of rubber
their bottoms are made out of springs”
~Tigger, somewhere in the Hundred Acre woods, bouncing
Watch it. I bet you’ve just offended someone who picked up a rubber ass in Nam or something.
As a bleeding heart liberal weighed down by the crushing burden of white guilt, I believe I am in a perfect position to condemn this denigrating slur on our Native American population.
Bigot.