Maaaaaan crush.
If all you’re going to do is continue to throw shit at the wall hoping that some of it will stick, realize that all we are seeing is you with fistfuls of crap.
I get the feeling that Miller is just a douchey windbag who will be all “nice to meet you Al” in person then say “I went all mideval on Al’s ass 'cause that’s how awesome I am” when he gets in front of whatever tv camera is later aimed at him.
You know what? I don’t think you watched An Inconvenient Truth or you missed the end or you didn’t understand the point. To be taken seriously, you may want to try watching the movie again. (hint: we don’t have to live in caves)
Anway, as RNATB states, he is likely buying a pre-owned home. As long as he conserves within the home, how is this hypocritical? BTW, people had a big fit about him living in a big home currently even though he was outfitting it with solar panels, etc. Still wasn’t good enough.
And as others have said over and over and fucking over again, how does Al Gore being a hypocrite change facts about global warming? (waiting for some goofball to come in with cites from people associated with the fossil fuel industry, or other goofballs with the old climate scientist email ‘scandal’ where mathematicians did a mathematical ‘trick’ proving that global warming is a hoax)
Al Gore is the personable frontman for a whooooole lot of un-photogenic scientists; I’m not really expecting a lot more from him than that. Sure, it would be nice if he and all the rich fatcats in the world stopped over-consuming, but I’m not going to hold my breath and have a temper tantrum over it. As far as that goes, every single person who posts on this board is a relative fatcat; how many of us are going to sell our homes and move out of our nice apartments and start living the simple life?
Fom Merriam-Webster:
Main Entry: non se·qui·tur
Pronunciation: \ˈnän-ˈse-kwə-tər also -ˌtu̇r
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin, it does not follow
Date: 1540
1 : an inference that does not follow from the premises; specifically : a fallacy resulting from a simple conversion of a universal affirmative proposition or from the transposition of a condition and its consequent
2 : a statement (as a response) that does not follow logically from or is not clearly related to anything previously said
Here’s a thought for you:
Your “carbon footprint”, or Gore’s “carbon footprint”, or these saintly Indian “carbon footprints”?
Meaningless. If you get every single person in America to reduce their personal consumption by 50% you’ll end up with about a 2% drop for the national total.
All of these silly little things like unplugging your cell phone charger or using Blackle are sops to people’s conscience, meaningless, almost superstitious acts that allow people to feel good about themselves.
Same thing goes with global warming. There’s some good evidence for it, and some decent evidence against. But the science and the math are hard. It’s easier just to pick the side that makes you feel the best about yourself, and then defend that side to the death – after all, it’s a demonstrated element of human psychology that we feel much more positive about a decision, stance, or belief the instant after we adopt it.
Carbon footprints are a silly idea in regards to environmental science. But they are a fantastic marketing tool for simplifying a complex idea into a simple one.
And this outrage over hypocrisy is also misplaced. It’s like complaining that I drove 6 blocks instead of riding my bike 6 blocks, when I was on the way to clean up a burning PCB-laden oil spill in an endangered wildlife preserve. It’s both logically irrelevant to the environmental issue and highly out of proportion.
Bring.
Haven’t you learned better than to ask that by now?
This will now become a 6-page thread and half the posts will be from brazil84.
Nooooooooooooooooooooo!!!
Another perfectly good Pit thread ruined. 
Really? I’m no fan of Al Gore’s, and I think a lot of what he’s selling is fear rather than facts, but even if he’s got the largest carbon footprint in the world, that may make him a hypocrite, but it doesn’t mean his message is meaningless.
And I know this is probably going to devolve into a global warming thread. You want to know the truth about global warming? It doesn’t matter. If you need to be scared into believing that the world is going to become an oven to be a little more conscious about how your actions affect others, well, whatever floats your boat. Even if it’s pure hogwash, the idea of not wanting to breath nasty air, drink nasty water, or pollute our environment should be enough. People being obsessive about turning off their lights when they leave a room and unplugging things when they’re not using them isn’t going to save the environment anymore than the people that drive 2 blocks when they could have walked them.
Why does environmentalism always have to boil down into either “OMG, Global Warming is Real, we won’t survive another 50 years” or “Global Warming is a Tree-Hugging conspiracy”? Stop this obnoxious debate about the science of it, and just agree that we could probably do to pollute the planet less, and even if it does absolutely nothing to change the climate, we’re still living in a cleaner environment.
This is exactly why I won’t “bring”. It’s fucking obnoxious, especially when there is a wealth of literature, both scientific and otherwise, about the subject.
I’m also not interested in hearing some doofus on a message board “debunk” scientific evidence, when there are plenty of people who do this sort of thing for a living sharing their thoughts.
I’d like to see some backup for the claim that carbon credits are a scam. Which one of the following is false:
– It is possible to mitigate carbon dioxide pollution through various means (for instance, planting a sustainable forest which will permanently lock in more carbon as long as it lives. Just off the top of my head.)
– Doing these things cost money.
– Paying money for “carbon offsets” goes toward these strategies.
If these things would not get done without money, and you provide this money, and they really do offset carbon emissions, then they are carbon offsets. There is surely a limited number of them possible before we run into limited returns (e.g. run out of land, in my example above,) and surely there is a possibility that they are not vetted very well like the subprime mortgage fiasco, but surely carbon offsets are not impossible at face value.
It just brings the oceanfront closer!
Where the spilled oil can get you!
This is why, no matter how much global warming is caused by humans, nothing can be done about it. All the proponents, not matter how vehement, want all the sacrifices to be made by Somebody Else.
Hollywood people claim the government should care for everybody and then hire tax attorneys to find loopholes. ACORN lobbies for “living wage” and pays its people less than minimum wage. People go to environmental rallies and throw trash on the ground. Bill Bennett talks about thrift and gambles away millions.
Mods talk about how any topic is fair game and then warn you for trolling if you say anything embarassing about Planned Parenthood.
Hell, I thought the tax rebate under Bush was stupid but I still took the money.
Regards,
Shodan
I am a proponent and I personally don’t want sacrifices to be made by anybody. So your “all” qualifier fails. In fact it likely fails with most proponents, since the ones that want people to make sacrifices, usually do make them themselves. I do not believe that Al Gore is one of those preaching unreasonable sacrifices; therefore, I don’t expect him to make them.
If a sacrifice absolutely be made, it should be made by everybody all over the planet, but I don’t think they have to be made at all. We need to invest in cleaner energy, and lower energy technology. That’s not a sacrifice by anybody. In fact, it creates technology jobs and industry that ultimately we need to keep ourselves at the top. Government investment is really the only way that technology is developed, all the way from the microchip to modern conductors.
I know this house!
In 2000, this home was owned by James Zaleski, president of Vetronix.
It was the “south american drug lord” mansion, in the 2000 version of the movie Bedazzled.
I wonder if Al Gore knows?
It’s pretty sad that you rely on his behavior to determine your own.
Al Gore also buys carbon offsets from a company owned by Al Gore. Saw it on an episode of Penn & Teller’s Bullshit. This doesn’t mean what he says about global warming isn’t true, it does make him an asshole.