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I suppose you expect me to believe that you didn’t realize that my saying, “so that’s a no, then”, was the follow up to:
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No. I just thought it was really funny.
Well, I’d like to have more choices when it comes to home building and home buying. And I’m impressed by these geothermal and passive solar technologies, which don’t seem to cost a lot as an initial outlay to begin making real savings quickly.
And savings on a fuel or power bill can be sold to anyone, whether or not they care about global warming as a political issue.
Hell, we bought new windows a few years back, and next year we’ll claim a tax credit for a purchase of a high-efficiency washer. I drive a car to work that gets 35 miles to the gallon. We do this because it makes economic sense for our family.
[QUOTE=Euthanasiast]
If you had read the entire thread, you would have seen that my venomous posts were in response to HTB’s initial attacks on me. I was simply responding in kind. You need to pay a little more attention before posting, and you need to recognize that your jumping to conclusions about me being a homophobe probably indicates more about you then it does me. Both of you, actually, could benefit from this, as I am not right wing, nor am I a homophobe. I do, however, give as good as I get.
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For one thing, I did read the entire thread. For another, yeah, HTB’s attacks on you did not demonstrate any particular maturity. That does not mean that you are excused from taking the high road. Next, I was probably wrong in calling you a homophobe. I stand by calling you immature, however. Lastly, what you gave is highly overrated by you. What you gave had lots of dirty words, but lacked teeth. Very lame.
And to wrap up, I pick both my nose and my butt. But I always wash my hands before I pick my butt.
There are two things he can do, he can reduce his usage through efficiency measure like , obvoulsy flourescent bulbs and energy efficient appliances. How much of that he does I don’t know, I am sure he does a lot. The second is use green power for your electricity needs, which is exactly what he does. I don’t see the problem.
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Hey, I’ve argued more than once that calling someone a cocksucker is independent of homophobic attitudes. I’ve got no problem with you on that note.
As for your claim of not being a right winger, I don’t give a shit. One doesn’t have to be a right winger to be a drooling dittohead. It just helps a whole bunch.
I probably have as much anger towards left-wingers who buy into these Gore-smear-attacks as I do right wingers. It was this very type of stupid shit (Al Gore claims he invented the internet) that put us in the shithole with President Fucknugget that we are in today.
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Not a dittohead either. And truthfully I don’t give a damn what side the president comes from, as long as he has the courage of his convictions and does what he says he’s going to do.
Did Gore actually make that claim?
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There are two things he can do, he can reduce his usage through efficiency measure like , obvoulsy flourescent bulbs and energy efficient appliances. How much of that he does I don’t know, I am sure he does a lot. The second is use green power for your electricity needs, which is exactly what he does. I don’t see the problem.
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Meh, I don’t know. I’m hoping he’ll step up to the plate and try to raise the awareness of a few people. If he’s lucky, he might even get some sort of award for it.
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Did Gore actually make that claim?
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You mean about the internet? No. He correctly stated:
“During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country’s economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system.”
Here’s a thorough discussion of the matter. It illustrates that finding a way to cast a bullshit assertion about someone in a bite size nugget, especially in a way that Jay Leno can easily craft into a joke, is a very powerful way of hamstringing an opponent. It’s particularly effective if that person in particular doesn’t fight back very hard against it with the truth. This seems to be a problem with Gore, including on this recent smear, which makes me feel that he perhaps shouldn’t run for office again. You know he’s only going to face even more of this kind of thing.
(By the way, you said “Fuck you” in response to me before I ever said anything to you. I’ll cop without reservation, however, to tending to the immature response.)
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Didn’t President Bush run up a large energy bill for airlifting troops to Iraq? :rolleyes:
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Yes but he offset if by elimintaing 3,000 contributors to global warming.
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There are two things he can do, he can reduce his usage through efficiency measure like , obvoulsy flourescent bulbs and energy efficient appliances. How much of that he does I don’t know, I am sure he does a lot. The second is use green power for your electricity needs, which is exactly what he does. I don’t see the problem.
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Or I don’t know, maybe door #3, reduce his overall energy consumption?
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Or I don’t know, maybe door #3, reduce his overall energy consumption?
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Hentor the Barbarian posted above that he is installing Solar, that should take care of reducing his energy consumption. I think that would be enough to ask. I would like to see him do some Wind and Geo-thermal while he was at it.
Jim
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Or I don’t know, maybe door #3, reduce his overall energy consumption?
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Yes, but I would classify that under energy efficiency, option #1.
[QUOTE=What Exit?]
Hentor the Barbarian posted above that he is installing Solar, that should take care of reducing his energy consumption. I think that would be enough to ask. I would like to see him do some Wind and Geo-thermal while he was at it.
Jim
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How much Geo-thermal is possible in that part of Tennessee? What would you have him do to use wind power?
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(By the way, you said “Fuck you” in response to me before I ever said anything to you. I’ll cop without reservation, however, to tending to the immature response.)
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If you go back and look at the post where he said that, I think you’ll find that “Fuck you,” was adressed to Tom Cruise, not you.
From that same post:
Al Gore flies commercial whenever is possible, and only takes private jets when his schedule doesn’t allow any other option. And when he does have to take a private jet, yes, he does buy carbon credits to offset the extra pollution.
[QUOTE=What Exit?]
Hentor the Barbarian posted above that he is installing Solar, that should take care of reducing his energy consumption. I think that would be enough to ask. I would like to see him do some Wind and Geo-thermal while he was at it.
Jim
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It’s not the energy consumption being mitigated by solar power, or green energy that I am speaking of. It’s the energy cost of everything. I work on houses that start at about 6000 sq ft, and go all the way up to 32,000 sq ft. (Yeah, we love the trickle down theory.) It’s not just the month to month energy costs. It’s the 4 furnaces, 4 A/C units, and the energy it took to manufacture, transport and install them. It’s the energy it took to manufacture and install the windows, even if they are energy efficient. It’s the 2 fridges to keep everything stocked. It’s the 3 dishwashers. It’s the cost to have guys have to come out and tend to the landscaping, the painters, the interior decorators, the handymen. These are ongoing costs, monetarily and energy wise. And this is just one of his three houses. (I think three.)
My point is that he uses more energy, that he has a bigger ecological footprint.
Now I know he is an important rich guy, but I do think that there is a bit of hypocrisy. Giving him a pass on this because he is rich, famous, loved by millions, and is beating the GW drum is wrong.
Does he need to live in a bamboo shanty with a loincloth? No. But spending more money buying green credits just doesn’t cut it for a spokesman trying to encourage less energy usage. Money doesn’t solve everything. And it won’t solve this.
He has money. It’s no hardship for him to spend an additional $5,000 a year to use green energy or pay to install solar panels. It would be a hardship for him to give up private planes, 4 furnaces, 4 A/C units, the gardener, and the caterer. That’s where my grumpiness comes from.
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Hentor the Barbarian posted above that he is installing Solar, that should take care of reducing his energy consumption. I think that would be enough to ask. I would like to see him do some Wind and Geo-thermal while he was at it.
Jim
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Adding solar does not reduce his energy consumption, unless you mean reduce his energy consumption off the grid. But I fail to see the distinction between consuming energy using green sources off the grid versus from his own solar panels, or as you would add, personal geo-thermal and personal wind. I could even argue that consuming renewable energy off the grid is better for the environment, more efficient and more cost effective.
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If you go back and look at the post where he said that, I think you’ll find that “Fuck you,” was adressed to Tom Cruise, not you.
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That is correct, though I admit how the other could have been assumed.
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Does he need to live in a bamboo shanty with a loincloth? No. But spending more money buying green credits just doesn’t cut it for a spokesman trying to encourage less energy usage. Money doesn’t solve everything. And it won’t solve this.
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Why not? How is actually buying renewable energy to provide electricity for his home not solving the problem?
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But I fail to see the distinction between consuming energy using green sources off the grid versus from his own solar panels, or as you would add, personal geo-thermal and personal wind.
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Pardon?
If he uses less off the grid then he leaves more for others to purchase off that same grid. There is not an unlimited supply of green sourced energy. If everyone produced (some of) their own green source power then we could theoretically stretch the green grid further, no?
[QUOTE=Gangster Octopus]
I could even argue that consuming renewable energy off the grid is better for the environment, more efficient and more cost effective.
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It’s also better for the green energy market. The more money there is to be made from producing green energy, the more green energy the power companies will invest in and offer for sale.
Besides, there is only so far we can get with green power. On the other hand, if we were to utilize technologies like Bush used in his house, we could reduce our electricity usage by 75%.