# Al-Masri held, tortured, 150 days;60 AFTER cleared; are we shitheads yet? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [December 8, 2005, 9:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/al-masri-held-tortured-150-days-60-after-cleared-are-we-shitheads-yet/334645 "2005-12-08T09:48:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 3\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![alaricthegoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4bbf92/32.png) [@alaricthegoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alaricthegoth)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2005, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/al-masri-held-tortured-150-days-60-after-cleared-are-we-shitheads-yet/334645/101 "2005-12-11T02:58:40Z")
> [@Henry-Finland](#): > > There is much more to read: > [http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0516,hentoff,63104,6.html](http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0516,hentoff,63104,6.html) > > Henry I see an opportunity for clarity and consensus. Would it be too constrictive of the fluidity of definition so zealously guarded by the administration and its toadi----defenders, if we all signed on to the propositiong: If you boil the motherfucker to death, it’s torture–no argument. ---
**Author:** ![kellner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/c2a13f/32.png) [@kellner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kellner)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2005, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/al-masri-held-tortured-150-days-60-after-cleared-are-we-shitheads-yet/334645/102 "2005-12-14T19:45:45Z")
After four interrogations by parliamentary committees and a session in parliament today, there is some news on the affair from Germany. There will be further investigations, but so far we have a few official statements. There was a lot of discussion on the question who was informed when and by whom and whether German intelligence was involved in capture. Short answer: No German agencies were involved, the Government first heard about the affair after al Masri was released and everything was legally correct after that. (surprise! :rolleyes: ) However there were some interesting details. For the first time there was a real official confirmation of the meeting between US Ambassador Coats and Minister of the Interior Schily. According to his successor Wolfgang Schäuble: [ul] [li]The meeting between Coats and Schily did happen on 31/5/04[/li][li]Coats acknowledged the capture[/li][li]There was an apology (Schäuble was ambiguous whether this was an apology to al Masri or to the Government)[/li][li]Coats said that al Masri was paid a sum of money and they had agreed to treat the affair as confidential[/li][li]There was no information on the precise timeline, not even Afghanistan was named[/li][li]Schily did not inform the rest of the administration[/li][/ul] So far al Masri denies having received any money. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2005, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/al-masri-held-tortured-150-days-60-after-cleared-are-we-shitheads-yet/334645/103 "2005-12-14T21:47:27Z")
> [@kellner](#): > > [li]Coats acknowledged the capture[/li][li]There was an apology (Schäuble was ambiguous whether this was an apology to al Masri or to the Government)[/li][li]Coats said that al Masri was paid a sum of money and they had agreed to treat the affair as confidential[/li]So far al Masri denies having received any money. Well, it _maybe_ sounds like the CIA did fuck-up (and we all fuck-up) but then apologized and paid off the poor “fuckee”, but now he wants more dinero. :dubious: It’s starting to stink all around, now. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/al-masri-held-tortured-150-days-60-after-cleared-are-we-shitheads-yet/334645.md?page=5)