# Al Zaqawi gets his 72 virgins! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 8, 2006, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/al-zaqawi-gets-his-72-virgins/359874 "2006-06-08T11:54:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Moirai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/96bed5/32.png) [@Moirai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moirai)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2006, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/al-zaqawi-gets-his-72-virgins/359874/101 "2006-06-08T22:54:53Z")
> [@even sven](#): > > How sad that somebody’s little boy would end up dead with his face plastered on CNN with people cheering. And how sad that somebody’s little boy would so soon turn to violence, rape, thievery and murder, all of which AZ was doing before his 18th birthday if some reports are to be believed. Rabid dog, indeed. I am a realist, so I feel like we haven’t achieved much beyond ridding the world of one evil man. There are millions of others. Many Iraqis ARE dancing in the streets, but not because they hate America any less today. AZ was a psycho who murdered innocent civilians for fun. They are mighty glad he’s gone, but aren’t going to throw any love our way for offing him. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2006, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/al-zaqawi-gets-his-72-virgins/359874/102 "2006-06-08T23:11:42Z")
Ok, so all killing for revenge is the same. Thinking that a murderer being killed is justified and thinking that the kid that stole my cupcake in 3rd grade being killed is the same thing? ---
**Author:** ![Linty\_Fresh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Linty\_Fresh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Linty_Fresh)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2006, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/al-zaqawi-gets-his-72-virgins/359874/103 "2006-06-08T23:17:54Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Not 72 virgins. 72 Virginians. And one complete set of teeth (rimshot). No, I’m afraid that if you read the passage correctly, you’ll see that they’re actually 72 virgins, I’m sorry. Of course, the passage doesn’t say that they’re **female** virgins! Won’t Al Zaqawi be surprised? That’s OK, though. If you can’t count on a muslim terrorist to adapt and accept homosexuality with multiple partners, who can you count on in this crazy afterlife? ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2006, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/al-zaqawi-gets-his-72-virgins/359874/104 "2006-06-08T23:31:50Z")
Does the passage specify that the virgins are human? Why not, say, water buffalo heifers? Or skunks? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2006, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/al-zaqawi-gets-his-72-virgins/359874/105 "2006-06-08T23:52:08Z")
So far, the only thing that bothers me about this news is the report that one child died in the attack. Of course, IMHO, the entire blame for that child’s death is Al-Zaqawi’s. Sadly, all of the deceased from this attack, no doubt, will be considered martyrs by other evil bastards. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2006, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/al-zaqawi-gets-his-72-virgins/359874/106 "2006-06-09T00:01:23Z")
I shed no tears for Al Zaqawi. His death was warranted. My esteemed fellow dopers, however, are disturbingly like the jubilant crowds who used to treat public executions as a holiday. One may certainly kill a rabid dog to ensure the safety of one’s children. It is undignified, at best, to hoot and dance exultantly after killing the dog. One quietly buries the festering corpse before it begins to stink and then goes back to the business of living one’s life. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2006, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/al-zaqawi-gets-his-72-virgins/359874/107 "2006-06-09T00:02:32Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by **Trunk** _ > Personally, I think that this > > > [@](#): > > > > _Originally posted by **ublybeech** _ > > This is the first time I’ve said this about anyone: here’s hoping he suffered. > > is way more trollish than anything I’ve posted. Not by a long shot. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Understander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3da27b/32.png) [@The\_Understander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Understander)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2006, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/al-zaqawi-gets-his-72-virgins/359874/108 "2006-06-09T00:03:53Z")
I think a jubilant post on a message board and a bittersweet smile is just about the right mixture of joy at the death of an evil man and sorrow at the baffling surety that People Will Kill Other People, Always. ---
**Author:** ![AFAIKnow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a6a055/32.png) [@AFAIKnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AFAIKnow)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2006, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/al-zaqawi-gets-his-72-virgins/359874/109 "2006-06-09T00:29:55Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > I shed no tears for Al Zaqawi. His death was warranted. My esteemed fellow dopers, however, are disturbingly like the jubilant crowds who used to treat public executions as a holiday. One may certainly kill a rabid dog to ensure the safety of one’s children. It is undignified, at best, to hoot and dance exultantly after killing the dog. One quietly buries the festering corpse before it begins to stink and then goes back to the business of living one’s life. Not if it has killed several of you children already and has the ability to think and act like a human being. You celebrate. I’m sick of this self righteous whinging. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2006, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/al-zaqawi-gets-his-72-virgins/359874/110 "2006-06-09T00:47:58Z")
Welcome to the Dope, **Mince** , however belatedly. A friendly observation: If you’re going to post vicarious sentiments around here, it’s probably in your best interest to label them as such. Fifteen bucks is fifteen bucks, after all. ---
**Author:** ![HeelB4Zod](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e19adc/32.png) [@HeelB4Zod](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeelB4Zod)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2006, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/al-zaqawi-gets-his-72-virgins/359874/111 "2006-06-09T00:50:32Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > I shed no tears for Al Zaqawi. His death was warranted. My esteemed fellow dopers, however, are disturbingly like the jubilant crowds who used to treat public executions as a holiday. One may certainly kill a rabid dog to ensure the safety of one’s children. It is undignified, at best, to hoot and dance exultantly after killing the dog. One quietly buries the festering corpse before it begins to stink and then goes back to the business of living one’s life. Succinctly put, and I agree. Still, I find myself fighting against having those vengeful, triumphant thoughts, and having difficulty doing so. I appreciate how you put al-Zarqawi’s demise into its proper perspective, **Scumpup**. ---
**Author:** ![Operation\_Ripper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/34f0e0/32.png) [@Operation\_Ripper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Operation_Ripper)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2006, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/al-zaqawi-gets-his-72-virgins/359874/112 "2006-06-09T01:03:23Z")
> [@Trunk](#): > > If you feel joy just because we killed a bad guy, I think you’re a sick fuck, and quite similar to Zaqawi on a pretty fundamental level. STFU and GBTW you GDMFA. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Operation\_Ripper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/34f0e0/32.png) [@Operation\_Ripper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Operation_Ripper)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2006, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/al-zaqawi-gets-his-72-virgins/359874/113 "2006-06-09T01:06:26Z")
> [@Trunk](#): > > On that level alone, a person rejoicing in this death is exhibiting the same attitude that Zarqawi seems to possess even if you believe there are differences in the justifiability in the root causes of their anger. Fellow, you are a fool. ---
**Author:** ![Hirundo82](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/919ad9/32.png) [@Hirundo82](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hirundo82)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2006, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/al-zaqawi-gets-his-72-virgins/359874/114 "2006-06-09T01:51:38Z")
> [@Trunk](#): > > One of the most fundamental aspects of a personal philosophy is whether a person believes that killing someone else FOR REVENGE is justifiable. I made the distinction between that and killing for the sake of other means in my first post here. And, whether you believe that’s a fundamental element of a person’s philosophy is really a separate question. I don’t see how this was killing for revenge. al-Zaqawi planned and carried out acts of violence against US troops and Iraqi civilians in a war zone, and would have undoubtedly done it again, not to mention his status as a figurehead. That makes him a valid military target. This was a forseeable consequence of his actions. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2006, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/al-zaqawi-gets-his-72-virgins/359874/115 "2006-06-09T02:47:29Z")
For the love of Allah, his Goddamned name was al-Za **r** qawi. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2006, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/al-zaqawi-gets-his-72-virgins/359874/116 "2006-06-09T02:57:41Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > Yawn. > > One can think that a person is spouting shit, without thinking that they’re a troll. You still apparently don’t really understand what the word means. Would you say that someone who pits a certain behavior then admits, in another thread, to doing said behavior is trolling? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2006, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/al-zaqawi-gets-his-72-virgins/359874/117 "2006-06-09T03:00:36Z")
[Seems I’m not alone in my assessment of Trunk](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=7470648&postcount=107). ---
**Author:** ![uglybeech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/82dd89/32.png) [@uglybeech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/uglybeech)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2006, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/al-zaqawi-gets-his-72-virgins/359874/118 "2006-06-09T03:19:09Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > IOne may certainly kill a rabid dog to ensure the safety of one’s children. It is undignified, at best, to hoot and dance exultantly after killing the dog. If I saw the dog calmly cut off the head of a terrified screaming victim, I might wanna hoot. What’s wrong with dancing and hooting? Too uncivilized? Remind you of the pictures of that Palestinian woman dancing on 9/11? More reasonable moral concern should be directed at the fact that there were 10 people killed in that strike and it was probably some family’s house. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2006, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/al-zaqawi-gets-his-72-virgins/359874/119 "2006-06-09T04:09:19Z")
> [@Lute Skywatcher](#): > > Would you say that someone who pits a certain behavior then admits, in another thread, to doing said behavior is trolling? It would depend on whether the second instance was an ironic reference back to the first instance, which is how i read **Trunk** ’s reference in the second case. But that’s not really the issue, because you called him a troll for his posts in this thread. Look, i’m not especially interested in defending **Trunk**. He can do that for himself. I’ve had disagreements with him on this board, and i’ve seen him say some things that i thought were rather moronic. But that doesn’t make him a troll. Again i say: yawn. > [@Lute Skywatcher](#): > > Seems I’m not alone in my assessment of Trunk. Oooooh, snap! You got me there. **Monty** states his opinion that **uglybeech** ’s post is _not_ more trollish than **Trunk** ’s. BFD. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2006, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/al-zaqawi-gets-his-72-virgins/359874/120 "2006-06-09T04:13:20Z")
> [@Mince](#): > > [post 55](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=7469179&postcount=55) > > To clarify: I made not a **metaphor** , but a **vicarious sentiment**. I was speaking from the perspective of the family members. **Mince** , _nowhere_ in your post did you indicate you were speaking from anything other than the first person. To falsely pose as the parent of Nick Berg even temporarily to score points in a discussion is flat-out unacceptable. We’ve banned at least one poster for doing almost exactly that. I’ll take you at your word that you’re just a sloppy writer and didn’t realize that anyone reading your post would assume that you were stating Nick Berg was your child, and let you off with a warning, but it had better not happen again. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/al-zaqawi-gets-his-72-virgins/359874.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/al-zaqawi-gets-his-72-virgins/359874.md?page=7)