# Al Zaqawi gets his 72 virgins! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 8, 2006, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/al-zaqawi-gets-his-72-virgins/359874 "2006-06-08T11:54:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2006, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/al-zaqawi-gets-his-72-virgins/359874/141 "2006-06-09T15:52:01Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > Whatever. > > If you think **Trunk** is trolling in this thread, you’re an idiot too. Fuck, guess that makes me an idiot, too. **Trunk** is one of the biggest assholes on this board. I got not trouble believing his posts in this thread have nothing to do with a deeply held personal conviction, and everything to do with an excuse to assume a false position of moral superiority so he can condescend to the rest of the board. I mean, I don’t know for a fact that that’s his motivation, but based on his history, I’d give it 50/50 odds. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2006, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/al-zaqawi-gets-his-72-virgins/359874/142 "2006-06-09T15:58:05Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Fuck, guess that makes me an idiot, too. Well, if you want the label, go right ahead, but i’ve never thought that it suits you very well. > [@Miller](#): > > **Trunk** is one of the biggest assholes on this board. I got not trouble believing his posts in this thread have nothing to do with a deeply held personal conviction, and everything to do with an excuse to assume a false position of moral superiority so he can condescend to the rest of the board. > > I mean, I don’t know for a fact that that’s his motivation, but based on his history, I’d give it 50/50 odds. See, i just don’t get this. There are plenty of posters on this board who i think are idiots, but i think that they come by their idiocy, and their idiotic positions, honestly, and are genuine in expressing their idiocy. This doesn’t really make me like or respect them any more, but it’s still not, to my mind, trolling. The fact that **Trunk** might be an asshole doesn’t make him a troll, and i think that failing to draw that distinction is just going to end up making the “troll” accusation meanigless. ---
**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2006, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/al-zaqawi-gets-his-72-virgins/359874/143 "2006-06-09T15:59:54Z")
> [@YaWanna](#): > > Yeah, I had the same reaction as **kaylasdad99** - didn’t go as far as trying to look up anything, but just drew a conclusion based on the “evidence” at hand, as it were. If I’m naive for taking the post at face value, at least it shows my tendency toward cynicism about people is being held in check by something. > > And my thanks to **Giraffe** for reaffirming that that sort of dickishness, even if “unintentional,” crosses a line that we don’t need crossed. I didn’t actually think he was Nick Berg’s father…obviously, we know what Mr. Berg thinks about the situation from his interview. But, there have been a bunch of people murdered over there, and I didn’t think it was unfeasible that it was a true story. Considering the seriousness of it, I thought it was better to err on the side of believing it vs. ignoring it or challenging it, in case it really was true. ---
**Author:** ![Trunk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/87869e/32.png) [@Trunk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trunk)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2006, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/al-zaqawi-gets-his-72-virgins/359874/144 "2006-06-09T16:02:14Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Fuck, guess that makes me an idiot, too. **Trunk** is one of the biggest assholes on this board. I got not trouble believing his posts in this thread have nothing to do with a deeply held personal conviction, and everything to do with an excuse to assume a false position of moral superiority so he can condescend to the rest of the board. That’s just silly. For one, I don’t know if I’ve ever been involved in any death penalty threads here, but if you ever found where I expressed a belief inconsistent with my position here, I’d be very surprised. What I’m expressing here is a long held, deeply seeded belief. For two, you terrifically overestimate the amount of fulfillment I get from the SDMB if you think I’d take a position just so I could condescend to others. One-upping a few usernames isn’t that big a deal to me. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2006, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/al-zaqawi-gets-his-72-virgins/359874/145 "2006-06-09T16:09:51Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Ok, so all killing for revenge is the same. Thinking that a murderer being killed is justified and thinking that the kid that stole my cupcake in 3rd grade being killed is the same thing? Ever seen a post by **Martin Hyde**? -Joe ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2006, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/al-zaqawi-gets-his-72-virgins/359874/146 "2006-06-09T16:22:14Z")
Wow, Mince, I read your post the same way. For shame. I bet you’re in Lute Trollbotcher’s camp now, appealing like a motherfucker for an _Edit_ function. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2006, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/al-zaqawi-gets-his-72-virgins/359874/147 "2006-06-09T16:26:56Z")
Hey, I’ll be one of the first to tell you Trunk’s an asshole. You can’t front on that. The thing is, dancing on a grave is ignorant, like wishing on a star, praying to God or chanting “Allahu Akbar” as you hack off a guy’s head with a butterknife. But hey, if it makes you feel better, I say go for it! As for me, I recall the immortal words of a dear, departed friend: _it is unseemly to bash a man who cannot defend himself_. Zarqawi’s dead, once again. BFD. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2006, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/al-zaqawi-gets-his-72-virgins/359874/148 "2006-06-09T16:27:36Z")
> [@El Cid Viscoso](#): > > Wow, Mince, I read your post the same way. For shame. > > I bet you’re in Lute Trollbotcher’s camp now, appealing like a motherfucker for an _Edit_ function. I read it at face value, responded to it at face value. Mince was nice enough to come back in on his own and clarify the intention of his post. I hope he never does it again, but give him a break, he has not tried to maintain a lie, he just had one poorly worded example. Mince, your Ok by me, just please do not do it again. Thank you, Jim ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2006, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/al-zaqawi-gets-his-72-virgins/359874/149 "2006-06-09T17:17:13Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > There are plenty of posters on this board who i think are idiots, but i think that they come by their idiocy, and their idiotic positions, honestly, and are genuine in expressing their idiocy. This doesn’t really make me like or respect them any more, but it’s still not, to my mind, trolling. > > The fact that **Trunk** might be an asshole doesn’t make him a troll, and i think that failing to draw that distinction is just going to end up making the “troll” accusation meanigless. I’m hardly claiming that every idiot on the board is a troll. **Trunk** , however, isn’t your garden variety idiot. Based on his posting history, it seems like his primary motivation on the boards is to be as big a tool as humanly possible. I don’t see any particular reason to assume that motivation does not inform his posts to this thread. If everyone in here were talking about what a shame it was that al-Zaqawi were killed instead of arrested, and how precious even the most debased human life is, I suspect he’d been in here calling us bleeding heary liberal panty-waists, or something. ---
**Author:** ![Cluricaun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/bb73d2/32.png) [@Cluricaun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cluricaun)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2006, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/al-zaqawi-gets-his-72-virgins/359874/150 "2006-06-09T17:19:23Z")
> [@What Exit?](#): > > I read it at face value, responded to it at face value. Mince was nice enough to come back in on his own and clarify the intention of his post. I hope he never does it again, but give him a break, he has not tried to maintain a lie, he just had one poorly worded example. Mince, your Ok by me, just please do not do it again. > > Thank you, > Jim Ditto to **What Exit** said. I think we can all agree that while this “vicarious sentiment” may be an interesting literary device, it’s not at it’s best use on a message board. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2006, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/al-zaqawi-gets-his-72-virgins/359874/151 "2006-06-09T21:49:13Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > It’s just unfortunate that the relaxation of the troll-calling rule is going to bring the morons out of the woodwork with stupid accusations. At first, yes, no doubt there’ll be a flurry of accusations, just as there was a flurry of references to the ads when they first began running. People got over it, though, and rarely mention them any more. My suspicion is that calling people a troll will also simmer down, though it will still be overused. ---
**Author:** ![uglybeech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/82dd89/32.png) [@uglybeech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/uglybeech)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2006, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/al-zaqawi-gets-his-72-virgins/359874/152 "2006-06-10T01:59:01Z")
> [@Trunk](#): > > Oh for the love of fucking god. > > All right. You were honest. > > **uglybeech** is the single most honest person I’ve ever come across in all my years. > > The point was this: IF my post could have been construed as trolling merely for it’s content, THEN almost any other post on that first page was just as easily trolling. > > IF-THEN. Dig? > > I chose your post at random. Can you drop this retarded side-bar? First you call me a troll. Then you say you weren’t calling me a troll, just dishonest. Now this is your retraction. Apology accepted. And one more time with feeling: > [@Trunk](#): > > **uglybeech** is the single most honest person I’ve ever come across in all my years. ---
**Author:** ![Mince](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecd19e/32.png) [@Mince](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mince)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2006, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/al-zaqawi-gets-his-72-virgins/359874/153 "2006-06-12T18:15:44Z")
> [@YaWanna](#): > > Wow. I’m trying to think of the right word (and it isn’t metaphor, btw) for post #55. Or for the act of doing such a thing. Just…wow. :dubious: There was no ill will or deceptive intent. I have clarified the situation and apologized (even before it became an issue). What else would you have of me? I think the post to which you refer could very accurately describe how one of those victims’ family members feel…and justifiably. ---
**Author:** ![Mince](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecd19e/32.png) [@Mince](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mince)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2006, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/al-zaqawi-gets-his-72-virgins/359874/154 "2006-06-12T18:17:27Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Welcome to the Dope, **Mince** , however belatedly. A friendly observation: If you’re going to post vicarious sentiments around here, it’s probably in your best interest to label them as such. > > Fifteen bucks is fifteen bucks, after all. Roger! And thank you for the welcome. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2006, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/al-zaqawi-gets-his-72-virgins/359874/155 "2006-06-12T18:24:55Z")
> [@yojimbo](#): > > I hope the prick lived for a while after the bombing knowing that the dark was on it’s way. [I guess you’ll be glad to hear that, according to the autopsy report, he lived for 52 minutes after the first bomb fell.](http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/06/12/zarqawi.autopsy/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![uglybeech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/82dd89/32.png) [@uglybeech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/uglybeech)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2006, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/al-zaqawi-gets-his-72-virgins/359874/156 "2006-06-12T19:22:16Z")
> [@uglybeech](#): > > More reasonable moral concern should be directed at the fact that there were 10 people killed in that strike and it was probably some family’s house. As I was saying, from the CNN linked to above: > [@](#): > > The total casualties in the strike included three males and three females; **one of the females was a child between the ages of 5 and 7,** he said Saturday. Worrying about whether people are gleeful or sober over Zarqawi’s death is completely absurd, compared to the issue of whether they should be using missiles to assassinate people. ---
**Author:** ![Mince](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecd19e/32.png) [@Mince](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mince)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2006, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/al-zaqawi-gets-his-72-virgins/359874/157 "2006-06-12T19:55:16Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > **Mince** , _nowhere_ in your post did you indicate you were speaking from anything other than the first person. To falsely pose as the parent of Nick Berg even temporarily to score points in a discussion is flat-out unacceptable. We’ve banned at least one poster for doing almost exactly that. I’ll take you at your word that you’re just a sloppy writer and didn’t realize that anyone reading your post would assume that you were stating Nick Berg was your child, and let you off with a warning, but it had better not happen again. I understand and again apologize. However, and at the risk of hi-jacking, if clarity and precision are at issue; let’s _all_ be clear and precise. I did not pose as anyone’s parent per se; and especially not Nick Berg’s parent. My parent and son were wholly mythological and my only mistake was not so indicating, which I soon thereafter amended. If that is a bannable offense, then indeed I will avoid it. But I don’t think I’m being charged with the correct crime. ---
**Author:** ![Rune](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e68b1a/32.png) [@Rune](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rune)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2006, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/al-zaqawi-gets-his-72-virgins/359874/158 "2006-06-12T21:12:56Z")
Apparently Zarqawi was also a paedophile. His second wife was 13 when he married her, and became pregnant when 15. Zarqawi himself was 38 when he married the 13 yo child. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2006, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/al-zaqawi-gets-his-72-virgins/359874/159 "2006-06-12T21:23:20Z")
> [@Rune](#): > > His second wife was 13 when he married her, and became pregnant when 15. Anyone know if that is sicko or cultural? He was a mean SOB, and I should feel guilty for dancing, but I don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2006, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/al-zaqawi-gets-his-72-virgins/359874/160 "2006-06-12T21:36:08Z")
> [@Rune](#): > > Apparently Zarqawi was also a paedophile. His second wife was 13 when he married her, and became pregnant when 15. Zarqawi himself was 38 when he married the 13 yo child. Certainly skeevy by Western standards, but hardly pedophiliac. A pedophile is attrtacted to pre-pubescent children. By thirteen, most girls have started developing their secondary sexual characteristics, and would no longer appeal to a pedo. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/al-zaqawi-gets-his-72-virgins/359874.md?page=7)