# Alabama election results **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [December 13, 2017, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alabama-election-results/804356 "2017-12-13T02:57:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alabama-election-results/804356/61 "2017-12-13T23:16:16Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Trump called the prosecutor of the Birmingham church bombing “soft on crime.” Soft on crime is a dog whistle for ‘will not promote draconian police dominance of dangerous, scary minorities and immigrants’. In that regards, Jones is ‘soft on crime’ and Moore is ‘tough on crime’. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2017, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alabama-election-results/804356/62 "2017-12-28T14:37:18Z")
[Roy Moore Sues to Block Election Result](http://start.att.net/news/read/article/newser-roy_moore_sues_to_block_election_result-rnewsernor/category/news) > [@](#): > > His campaign is seeking a restraining order, alleging “potential election fraud that improperly altered the outcome of this election.” “This is not a Republican or Democrat issue as election integrity should matter to everyone,” Moore said in a statement Wednesday night. > > **Moore’s attorney says there should be an investigation and a new election.** > > State officials say they have seen no evidence of voter fraud, though Moore’s campaign says an expert has told them there is a “less than one in 15 billion” chance that the official result, which gave Jones the win by around 20,000 votes, is accurate. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2017, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alabama-election-results/804356/63 "2017-12-28T14:59:06Z")
> [@](#): > > Quoth **What Exit** : > > Interesting breakdown. Large Black turn out helped elect Jones but also age played a big role in this election. But how did Moore do with the critical 14-17 demographic? ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2017, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alabama-election-results/804356/64 "2017-12-28T15:26:21Z")
So, if it is off by say 3 votes, yeah, it’s inaccurate-and inconsequential. ---
**Author:** ![GulfTiger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e79b87/32.png) [@GulfTiger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GulfTiger)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2017, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alabama-election-results/804356/65 "2017-12-28T15:32:00Z")
Roy needs to hang it up. If it was a few hundred votes, sure. But 20,000 is too much to overcome. Besides, Jones will vote with the Repubs on some things. He is a southern Scott Brown. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2017, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alabama-election-results/804356/66 "2017-12-28T16:16:03Z")
> [@](#): > > State officials say they have seen no evidence of voter fraud, though Moore’s campaign says an expert has told them there is a “less than one in 15 billion” chance that the official result, which gave Jones the win by around 20,000 votes, is accurate. And here we see the truly pernicious, malevolent intent among some in that side of the contest: to plant the seed in their base that somehow _it must be near impossible to have a contrary result_, and thus to delegitimize the whole elections procedure. Even when it is the procedure enacted and managed by sympathetic legislatures and officials. It is a well established rule in most states that if the vote difference is larger than the expected margin of error of the vote tallying process, the result is to be presumed valid and final and any dispute must be supported by evidence, not by “it cannot be!” Otherwise no election would ever be final. You can imagine some of the same people come 2020 or 2024 arguing that statistically the reported count is near impossible and the Electors must ignore the certified popular tally and go with the “right” result. The Alabama Secretary of State should go ahead and certify and the Senate should go ahead and swear Jones in. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2017, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alabama-election-results/804356/67 "2017-12-28T16:30:50Z")
> [@GulfTiger](#): > > Roy needs to hang it up. If it was a few hundred votes, sure. But 20,000 is too much to overcome. Yeah. Ol’ Roy is dog food. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2017, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alabama-election-results/804356/68 "2017-12-28T16:34:59Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > Black women make up maybe 13% of Alabama citizens, but they made up 17% of Alabama voters in the recent election. > > Black men by comparison make up 13% of Alabama citizens, but only 11% of Alabama voters. > > Is the issue that black men are more likely to have felony records and are not allowed to vote in states like Alabama, … ? “Only” 13% of black males nationwide are felons, but the percent is much higher in some places, like inner cities and Alabama. It may just be more #FakeNews, but [this page quotes the founder of the Equal Justice Initiative claiming that 34% (and growing) of Alabama black men were permanently disenfranchised in 2012.](http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2013/01/201311782939161836.html) That would account for the entire discrepancy you cite. > [@GulfTiger](#): > > Roy needs to hang it up. If it was a few hundred votes, sure. But 20,000 is too much to overcome. Many national Republicans have distanced themselves from Moore, some even endorsing Jones. If it weren’t for this, does anyone doubt that the GOP would be using every cheat they could think of to keep that Senate seat Republican? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2017, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alabama-election-results/804356/69 "2017-12-28T17:06:55Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > [Roy Moore Sues to Block Election Result](http://start.att.net/news/read/article/newser-roy_moore_sues_to_block_election_result-rnewsernor/category/news) I believe that in the south he’s what you’d call a “broke dick dog”. ---
**Author:** ![GulfTiger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e79b87/32.png) [@GulfTiger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GulfTiger)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2017, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alabama-election-results/804356/70 "2017-12-28T17:37:45Z")
It is interesting that he has passed a polygraph test. [http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5217155/Roy-Moore-files-lawsuit-block-Alabama-Senate-result.html](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5217155/Roy-Moore-files-lawsuit-block-Alabama-Senate-result.html) ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2017, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alabama-election-results/804356/71 "2017-12-28T17:46:52Z")
> [@GulfTiger](#): > > It is interesting that he has passed a polygraph test. > [http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5217155/Roy-Moore-files-lawsuit-block-Alabama-Senate-result.html](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5217155/Roy-Moore-files-lawsuit-block-Alabama-Senate-result.html) Did you mean it’s interesting that he believes his own bullshit so deeply that he’s convinced it’s true, or is it interesting because he can lie well enough to beat a polygraph? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2017, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alabama-election-results/804356/72 "2017-12-28T17:53:05Z")
> [@GulfTiger](#): > > It is interesting that he has passed a polygraph test. > [http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5217155/Roy-Moore-files-lawsuit-block-Alabama-Senate-result.html](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5217155/Roy-Moore-files-lawsuit-block-Alabama-Senate-result.html) What is most interesting to me is that your take-away from that was “Roy Moore passed a polygraph test” and not “Roy Moore says he passed a polygraph test”. Roy Moore says a lot of things. He says he respect the constitution; he doesn’t. He says he respect the rule of law; he doesn’t. He says he never met women that we know he met. But now you believe him when he says he passed a polygraph test. :rolleyes::dubious: And that doesn’t even get into what bunkum polygraphs tests are. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2017, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alabama-election-results/804356/73 "2017-12-28T18:09:48Z")
> [@GulfTiger](#): > > It is interesting that he has passed a polygraph test. > [http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5217155/Roy-Moore-files-lawsuit-block-Alabama-Senate-result.html](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5217155/Roy-Moore-files-lawsuit-block-Alabama-Senate-result.html) Let’s be specific. He _says_ he passed a polygraph test. ---
**Author:** ![GulfTiger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e79b87/32.png) [@GulfTiger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GulfTiger)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2017, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alabama-election-results/804356/74 "2017-12-28T18:11:57Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > And that doesn’t even get into what bunkum polygraphs tests are. Agreed. And Roy Moore is a goofball, but in an interesting kind of way. I think he is a true believer; I’m not sure that he can examine himself objectively. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2017, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alabama-election-results/804356/75 "2017-12-28T18:59:28Z")
[Rejected](https://apnews.com/7c23d09eb6d4446a95c14e38ddaf2c65/Judge-rejects-Roy-Moore's-suit-in-Alabama-Senate-race). ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2017, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alabama-election-results/804356/76 "2017-12-28T21:19:23Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > [Rejected](https://apnews.com/7c23d09eb6d4446a95c14e38ddaf2c65/Judge-rejects-Roy-Moore's-suit-in-Alabama-Senate-race). “with prejudice”, meaning don’t show up back in my court trying to argue this again. And Jones was certified within minutes. Pretty sure the Alabama State Secretary, AG and Governor never thought they’d be this satisfied to certify a Dem. Moore’s “support” for his suit was based upon well known Conspiracy Theorists pulling BS from their hats. In the end, as usual he blasphemed by claiming he was doing this for God. We’ll see him as guest speaker at rallies come this next primary season as the Frothing Wingnut faction tries to run an insurgency against mere Tea Partier incumbents, those weak moderate fence-sitters 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2017, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alabama-election-results/804356/77 "2017-12-28T21:47:30Z")
PLEASE let him stay on stage all through 2018. Every time he speaks another 10 votes will go our way. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_stainless_steel_rat/32/5727_2.png) [@The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Stainless_Steel_Rat)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2017, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alabama-election-results/804356/78 "2017-12-29T01:47:02Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > PLEASE let him stay on stage all through 2018. Every time he speaks another 10 votes will go our way. I mentioned this in more detail in the other Moore thread, so I’ll just sum it up here: Election for Alabama Governor and 5 of the seats on the Alabama Supreme Court are due to be held in 2018. Stay tuned. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2017, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alabama-election-results/804356/79 "2017-12-29T20:53:48Z")
If Moore was God’s candidate, and Moore lost, does that mean God is dead? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2017, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alabama-election-results/804356/80 "2017-12-29T21:00:25Z")
Not necessarily, it mainly means that Moore is full of shit. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alabama-election-results/804356.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alabama-election-results/804356.md?page=5)