# AlahAkbar (NOT about the banning) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 27, 2003, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alahakbar-not-about-the-banning/209850 "2003-10-27T15:50:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2003, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alahakbar-not-about-the-banning/209850/41 "2003-10-28T14:55:35Z")
Coldfire: Wouldn’t that have been, _“Y’all won’t catch me in this place again!”_ ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2003, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alahakbar-not-about-the-banning/209850/42 "2003-10-28T15:00:52Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by TwistofFate \* > \*\*Disciples diner? > > It would have to be called > “the Last Supper” \*\* No repeat business though. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2003, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alahakbar-not-about-the-banning/209850/43 "2003-10-28T15:04:40Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by This Year’s Model \* > \*\*If I have it right, the English name Jesus is Jesu in Spanish. \*\* It’s spelled Jesus in Spanish too, it’s just pronounced _hay-SOOSE_. Of course, Joshua, which was Jesus’ actual name in Hebrew and the one which he went by in his own day (Jesus being the Greek form of the name and the one adopted in the Gospels), is quite popular among U.S. anglophones today. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2003, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alahakbar-not-about-the-banning/209850/44 "2003-10-28T15:19:36Z")
A better transliteration might be “Jehoshua” (Strongs 03091), and it means “Jehova is salvation”. ---
**Author:** ![cowgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8c91f0/32.png) [@cowgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cowgirl)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2003, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alahakbar-not-about-the-banning/209850/45 "2003-10-28T16:00:04Z")
**CarnalK** - thanks for the info ! Does that mean it’s not inappropriate to name the restaurant after Buddha? They’re actually Buddhists. Statues and incense and such make up the only decor. I thought it was closer “Gandhi’s Roti” (which does exist) than “Christ’s Falafel” (doesn’t). ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2003, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alahakbar-not-about-the-banning/209850/46 "2003-10-28T16:14:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by cowgirl \* > \*\*I thought it was closer “Gandhi’s Roti” (which does exist) than “Christ’s Falafel” (doesn’t). \*\* I have a photo I took in Switzerland of a store named “Christ Schmuck,” _schmuck_ meaning “jewelry” in German, and “Christ” being the name of the proprietors. ---
**Author:** ![Aldebaran](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Aldebaran](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aldebaran)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2003, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alahakbar-not-about-the-banning/209850/47 "2003-10-28T16:34:20Z")
The only reason why I posted my remarks - and my explanation for them - on the use of that sentence as membername by that particular member, was to show his complete ignorance of the religion Islam = to expose him as a fraud. Of course there are - once again - people here who make a lot of nonsense up about what my “intentions” were. So sorrry, but they were only what I say they were. I you all want to go through real life or cyberlife calling yourselves AllahAkbar, that is fine with me. I shall only smile with your complete ignorance about the meaning of that sentence for a Muslim. But the most stupid way to fake that you are a Muslim is using that same sentence as your name. Every single Muslim shall know immediately that you are a fake and even a complete idiotic one. May I wish you much joy in dissecting and twisting this post in the coming hours. That seems to be such a popular hobby for so many among you that it is even a little bit fascinating to witness. Salaam. A ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2003, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alahakbar-not-about-the-banning/209850/48 "2003-10-28T20:03:00Z")
Still waiting on citation that no Muslim in all the great wide world would use such a moniker, Aldebaran. In one word: CITE? Still waiting on citation that it is you who gets to decide on who is and is not Muslim. In one word: CITE? ---
**Author:** ![TheLoadedDog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/35a633/32.png) [@TheLoadedDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheLoadedDog)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2003, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alahakbar-not-about-the-banning/209850/49 "2003-10-28T20:03:13Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Grey \* > \*\* It’s like being offended by Madonna’s use of Madonna. \*\* Especially as it’s her real name. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2003, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alahakbar-not-about-the-banning/209850/50 "2003-10-28T20:06:06Z")
BTW, Aldebaran; if it turns out that you’re wrong (which isn’t anywhere at all beyond the realm of likelihood at the moment), can we then say that you’re completely ignorant of Islam? ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2003, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alahakbar-not-about-the-banning/209850/51 "2003-10-28T21:09:37Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Monty \* > \*\*BTW, Aldebaran; if it turns out that you’re wrong (which isn’t anywhere at all beyond the realm of likelihood at the moment), can we then say that you’re completely ignorant of Islam? \*\* As much as I like you, **Monty** , you are, way, way off base in this instance. No Muslim is going to appropriate the name of the Most High because the casual blasphemy we take in stride in our pluralist society is unthinkable in the Muslim world. To them,the Name of God is so sacred that even a scrap of of waste paper bearing a fragment of the Qu’ran must be preserved because it might have borne the Name of God. No sincere, believing Muslim would so thoughtlessly desecrate the most holy name in the universe. Moreover (and please do not be offended), you are not the Aribter of the LDS on the Dope, let alone of Islam. It is possible to disagree with you and still be knowledgeable about Islam. Salaam Aleikum. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2003, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alahakbar-not-about-the-banning/209850/52 "2003-10-28T23:27:29Z")
gobear: Number 1) I did not say that I’m the arbiter of either LDS-hood or Muslim-hood. Number 2) I was making a point that the username in question is no different than waving a flag with such an expression on it. I await an authoratative answer–with citations, of course–that NO Muslim would consider it to be no different. Number 3) I was also making a point that Aldebaran is hoisting himself on his ignorant arrogant petard. That’s what the bit above was about asking if we could then say he’s ignorant of Islam if he can’t prove what he’s asserting. Number 4) I await an authoratative citation of Aldebaran’s assertion. I mean other than his mere assertion. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2003, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alahakbar-not-about-the-banning/209850/53 "2003-10-28T23:40:14Z")
If a Christian posted “Christians would find it objectionable to portray Christ as chimpanzee sucking a donkey’s ass”, I, personally wouldn’t step in and demand from them, a cite proving that **all** Christians of any demonination would find such a thing objectionable. You may doubt that the poster involved is as learned in his religion as he professes to be, but his original statement (“Muslims would find this objectionable”) is not, IMHO, the sort of thing that would require some one to profer up a researched cite (Unless, of course, the statement was along the lines of “Christians would object to allowing public prayer in schools” - IOW, one that **seems** wrong, on the face of it, even to some one not of that faith). ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2003, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alahakbar-not-about-the-banning/209850/54 "2003-10-28T23:56:59Z")
[Quote] You may doubt that the poster involved is as learned in his religion as he professes to be, but his original statement (“Muslims would find this objectionable”) is not, IMHO, the sort of thing that would require some one to profer up a researched cite [Quote] Actually, this could all be resolved very simply if at least a couple of other self-professed muslims would step in and comment. Is dear **Aldy** really the only one we have? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2003, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alahakbar-not-about-the-banning/209850/55 "2003-10-29T00:54:36Z")
That ain’t his assertion, wring. Go back and read it again. He asserted that NO Muslim would use such a username. That’s quite a bit different from your hypothetical. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2003, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alahakbar-not-about-the-banning/209850/56 "2003-10-29T01:02:17Z")
well, I’d still give it the latitude of “no Christian would name their child ‘Jesus is a fathead’”. IOW, I don’t think he’s claiming that of the millions of Muslims, there isn’t a single one who would use that as a name, rather that _generally_ some one who is Muslim wouldn’t (probably) do that. But, in any event, what you’re asking of him is impossible to deliver, as in there would be no definitive source of information polling _every single_ Muslim and asking that question. **tomndeb** already posted some piece of data that would tend to support the thesis that **generally** it would be frowned upon, but if you want to hold him to the letter of “none ever, ever ever ever,” I guess you will. ---
**Author:** ![\_possum\_stalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/_/b77776/32.png) [@\_possum\_stalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/_possum_stalker)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2003, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alahakbar-not-about-the-banning/209850/57 "2003-10-29T01:04:16Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by wring \* > \*\*If a Christian posted “Christians would find it objectionable to portray Christ as chimpanzee sucking a donkey’s ass”, I, personally wouldn’t step in and demand from them, a cite proving that **all** Christians of any demonination would find such a thing objectionable. > \*\* So that’s why my ornaments didn’t sell at the Christmas Craft Fair. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2003, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alahakbar-not-about-the-banning/209850/58 "2003-10-29T01:12:29Z")
No, I think you just priced 'em too high. ---
**Author:** ![Aankh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ebca7d/32.png) [@Aankh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aankh)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2003, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alahakbar-not-about-the-banning/209850/59 "2003-10-29T01:14:36Z")
From [this website](http://www.islam-qa.com/QA/8%7CManners(Aadaab)/Assmaa_Wa_Kona_Wa_Alqaab_(_Names_and_Nicknames_)/Names_whose_use_is_forbidden.01121998.1692.shtml), we have > [@](#): > > It is makrooh to use names that are composed of two parts, and this includes names which include the name of Allaah, with the exception of the name ‘Abd-Allaah (slave of Allaah), which is one of the most beloved names to Allaah. Names which include the word al-Rasool (the Messenger) are also makrooh. (_Makrooh_ here means ‘disliked’.) That should clear it up, yes? For the record, I am not a Muslim. From what I know about them, though, **gobear** does have it right. ---
**Author:** ![Aankh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ebca7d/32.png) [@Aankh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aankh)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2003, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alahakbar-not-about-the-banning/209850/60 "2003-10-29T01:21:54Z")
A question for those in the know… Is _Allahakbar_ correct the form of the phrase? I ask because the only version of “God is great” that I’ve ever heard goes _Allahu Akbar_. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alahakbar-not-about-the-banning/209850.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alahakbar-not-about-the-banning/209850.md?page=4)