# Alan Keyes' daughter comes out **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 15, 2005, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alan-keyes-daughter-comes-out/290210 "2005-02-15T16:18:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![5que](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/5/3bc359/32.png) [@5que](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/5que)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2005, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alan-keyes-daughter-comes-out/290210/1 "2005-02-15T16:18:30Z")
Remember Alan Keyes? You know, our Illinois senate candidate, who claimed homosexuality was ‘‘selfish hedonism’’ and that Vice President Dick Cheney’s lesbian daughter was a sinner? Well, [his daughter came out yesterday as a lesbian](http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-keyes15.html). Good for you, Maya. Maybe your father will see the light (but I doubt it). ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2005, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alan-keyes-daughter-comes-out/290210/2 "2005-02-15T16:22:25Z")
For the non-Pitally inclined we’re taking an on-again off-again lighthearted look at [the issue](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=302392) in MPSIMS. We’re down to Stan Lee being a biblical prophet. I warn you. ---
**Author:** ![Orbifold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/779978/32.png) [@Orbifold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orbifold)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2005, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alan-keyes-daughter-comes-out/290210/3 "2005-02-15T16:32:09Z")
Dick Cheney, for all his faults, at least has the human decency to stand up next to his daughter, support her, and express his love for her. Alan Keyes apparently cut off college money to his daughter after this admission. Congratulations, Mr. Keyes, you have made Dick Cheney–the man who said “Go fuck yourself” to a U.S. Senator on the Senate floor–look compassionate by comparison. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2005, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alan-keyes-daughter-comes-out/290210/4 "2005-02-15T16:40:21Z")
> [@Orbifold](#): > > Dick Cheney, for all his faults, at least has the human decency to stand up next to his daughter, support her, and express his love for her. Alan Keyes apparently cut off college money to his daughter after this admission. As long as she’s not on stage with him - or even in the family portrait - at the Republican Convention. He doesn’t love her enough to risk offending the tiny minded bigots who infest his own party. ---
**Author:** ![Wendell\_Wagner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/8491ac/32.png) [@Wendell\_Wagner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wendell_Wagner)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2005, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alan-keyes-daughter-comes-out/290210/5 "2005-02-15T17:04:35Z")
Look at it the other way around. At least Alan Keyes is consistent. Someone who constantly talks about how terrible homosexuality is who then kicks a grown son or daughter out of his household when he or she comes out is at least more consistent than one who rages about homosexuality and then continues to welcome his openly gay son or daughter into his house and refuses to talk to the press about them because he considers it a personal matter. Similarly, it’s not consistent to defend long prison sentences for drug addicts and then send your own son or daughter to drug treatment when they become a drug addict or to advocate making abortion illegal and then sending your own pregnant, unmarried daughter off to get an abortion somewhere far away or to rage against draft dodgers and then use your influence to get your son a deferment. Alan Keyes’s principles may be stupid and/or despicable, but at least they’re consistent, which is more than you can say about many people’s principles. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2005, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alan-keyes-daughter-comes-out/290210/6 "2005-02-15T17:06:05Z")
Being consistantly a fuckhead is worse than inconsistancy, IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2005, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alan-keyes-daughter-comes-out/290210/7 "2005-02-15T17:08:25Z")
I understand that members of the GLBT community have arranged for her to be housed and her tuition to be paid: > [@](#): > > The Point Foundation–which provides scholarships to GLBT college students with leadership potential, many of whom have been cut off by their families–stepped in. The group’s trustees found Maya a place to stay in Chicago and set up a financial package for her at Brown. She will be provided with a mentor. ([The Advocate](http://www.advocate.com/new_news.asp?ID=15123&sd=02/12/05-02/14/05) Oh, those selfish homosexuals. :rolleyes: I guess you can see who really takes care of family. ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2005, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alan-keyes-daughter-comes-out/290210/8 "2005-02-15T17:09:44Z")
> [@Wendell Wagner](#): > > Look at it the other way around. At least Alan Keyes is consistent. Well, except for that “family values” thing, as I believe I’ve pointed out. Apparently, he doesn’t value his family very much. ---
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2005, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alan-keyes-daughter-comes-out/290210/9 "2005-02-15T17:10:27Z")
I think we’ve finally located one possible cause of homosexuality: being the offspring of some rightwing dickhead certainly seems to be at least a contributing factor. ---
**Author:** ![supervenusfreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@supervenusfreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/supervenusfreak)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2005, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alan-keyes-daughter-comes-out/290210/10 "2005-02-15T17:12:11Z")
> [@Revtim](#): > > Being consistantly a fuckhead is worse than inconsistancy, IMHO. Agreed. Thank heavens the good folks at [The Point Foundation](http://www.thepointfoundation.org/) are giving her a helping hand, and setting her up with a place to stay, and school financing. She is very brave for doing what she has done. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2005, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alan-keyes-daughter-comes-out/290210/11 "2005-02-15T17:14:26Z")
**WW:** \*Similarly, it’s not consistent to defend long prison sentences for drug addicts and then send your own son or daughter to drug treatment when they become a drug addict \* Which is where Jeb Bush comes in, I guess: [Gov. Jeb Bush calls for jail time for nonviolent drug offenders as his daughter gets sent to rehab.](http://www.salon.com/news/col/huff/2002/09/16/war_on_drugs/) ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2005, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alan-keyes-daughter-comes-out/290210/12 "2005-02-15T17:27:21Z")
> [@Wendell Wagner](#): > > Look at it the other way around. At least Alan Keyes is consistent. Someone who constantly talks about how terrible homosexuality is who then kicks a grown son or daughter out of his household when he or she comes out is at least more consistent than one who rages about homosexuality and then continues to welcome his openly gay son or daughter into his house and refuses to talk to the press about them because he considers it a personal matter. Similarly, it’s not consistent to defend long prison sentences for drug addicts and then send your own son or daughter to drug treatment when they become a drug addict or to advocate making abortion illegal and then sending your own pregnant, unmarried daughter off to get an abortion somewhere far away or to rage against draft dodgers and then use your influence to get your son a deferment. Alan Keyes’s principles may be stupid and/or despicable, but at least they’re consistent, which is more than you can say about many people’s principles. There are far, far worse sins than hypocrisy. ---
**Author:** ![F.U.Shakespeare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/aca169/32.png) [@F.U.Shakespeare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/F.U.Shakespeare)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2005, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alan-keyes-daughter-comes-out/290210/13 "2005-02-15T17:28:49Z")
The fact that Keyes’ treatment of his daughter is consistent with his stated principles is not proof that he acted the way he did _because_ of principle. He may be simply acting pragmatically: i.e., doing what’s necessary to not damage his career as a paid speaker to audiences that don’t like gay people. > [@Wendell Wagner](#): > > Look at it the other way around. At least Alan Keyes is consistent. Someone who constantly talks about how terrible homosexuality is who then kicks a grown son or daughter out of his household when he or she comes out is at least more consistent than one who rages about homosexuality and then continues to welcome his openly gay son or daughter into his house and refuses to talk to the press about them because he considers it a personal matter. Similarly, it’s not consistent to defend long prison sentences for drug addicts and then send your own son or daughter to drug treatment when they become a drug addict or to advocate making abortion illegal and then sending your own pregnant, unmarried daughter off to get an abortion somewhere far away or to rage against draft dodgers and then use your influence to get your son a deferment. Alan Keyes’s principles may be stupid and/or despicable, but at least they’re consistent, which is more than you can say about many people’s principles. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2005, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alan-keyes-daughter-comes-out/290210/14 "2005-02-15T17:36:38Z")
> [@pseudotriton ruber ruber](#): > > I think we’ve finally located one possible cause of homosexuality: being the offspring of some rightwing dickhead certainly seems to be at least a contributing factor. It sure kinda seems like it. I tell you, if somebody were to prove that ant-gay conservatives consistantly have more gay kids than average, I might start reconsidering my atheism. ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2005, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alan-keyes-daughter-comes-out/290210/15 "2005-02-15T17:47:46Z")
Fuck Alan Keyes. He’s the living breathing example of the oft quoted line about foolish consistency. I only hope his daughter finds someway to heal from his rejection. ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2005, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alan-keyes-daughter-comes-out/290210/16 "2005-02-15T17:50:22Z")
> [@Revtim](#): > > Being consistantly a fuckhead is worse than inconsistancy, IMHO. Nah-they’re both bad. ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2005, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alan-keyes-daughter-comes-out/290210/17 "2005-02-15T17:53:30Z")
> [@Revtim](#): > > I tell you, if somebody were to prove that ant-gay conservatives consistantly have more gay kids than average, I might start reconsidering my atheism. “Why would anyone not want to have a gay child?! I would _rather_ have a gay child! You know they won’t be shooting up their classroom – that would get in the way of yearbook. …And I would go down to the Motherlode, heavy with child, and the Three Wise Drag Queens would come bearing gifts of 1000-thread count sheets, hair products by Frederic Fekkai, and a copy of the _Immaculate Collection._” - Margaret Cho ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2005, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alan-keyes-daughter-comes-out/290210/18 "2005-02-15T18:04:54Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > Nah-they’re both bad. They’re both bad, but I’d prefer the inconsistant person who is at least occasionally not an utter prick. ---
**Author:** ![kevja](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/aeb1de/32.png) [@kevja](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kevja)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2005, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alan-keyes-daughter-comes-out/290210/19 "2005-02-15T18:49:55Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > As long as she’s not on stage with him - or even in the family portrait - at the Republican Convention. He doesn’t love her enough to risk offending the tiny minded bigots who infest his own party. I’ve seen Mary Cheney (I think that’s the gay one) on stage with Dick cheney at least a few times. At their convention in 2004, when they all took the stage to claim victory Wednesday afternoon after election day, and at this year’s inaugural. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2005, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alan-keyes-daughter-comes-out/290210/20 "2005-02-15T19:10:59Z")
> [@kevja](#): > > I’ve seen Mary Cheney (I think that’s the gay one) on stage with Dick cheney at least a few times. At their convention in 2004, when they all took the stage to claim victory Wednesday afternoon after election day, and at this year’s inaugural. Mary was [not on stage](http://www.gayamerican.org/archives/000186.html) at the 2004 RNC. Her sister was there but not her. Mary and her partner were in the audience but were kept off the stage. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alan-keyes-daughter-comes-out/290210.md?page=2)