# Alberta, Natural Resources, and the Rest of Canada **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 3, 2025, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alberta-natural-resources-and-the-rest-of-canada/1017872 "2025-05-03T00:31:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 37
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2026, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alberta-natural-resources-and-the-rest-of-canada/1017872/724 "2026-06-20T01:01:03Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > especially the extent to which it’s being promoted and funded by overseas seditionists intent on destroying my country. That is a lie (I’m not calling you a liar, but you are spreading it). Another fearmongering attempt. This is primarily grassroots. Maybe give reasons why we should stay rather than denigrating people who want the best for themselves, their children and their province and are tired of being prevented from doing so by a bunch of globalists more content with keeping the money flowing into their pockets rather than fixing things. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2026, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alberta-natural-resources-and-the-rest-of-canada/1017872/725 "2026-06-20T01:06:39Z")
Globalists? Every accusation is a confession. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2026, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alberta-natural-resources-and-the-rest-of-canada/1017872/726 "2026-06-20T01:07:10Z")
> [@Uzi](#): > > That is a lie (I’m not calling you a liar, but you are spreading it). Another fearmongering attempt. This is primarily grassroots. Apparently you missed **[this post](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alberta-natural-resources-and-the-rest-of-canada/1017872/698)**, quoting a CBC investigation showing that Alberta separatism is being actively promoted by Russia, the Trump regime, and a gang of criminals in the Netherlands (among others) … > [@Alberta, Natural Resources, and the Rest of Canada](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alberta-natural-resources-and-the-rest-of-canada/1017872/698): > > Indeed. Investigations have shown that Alberta separatism is supported covertly by Russia, and overtly and shamelessly by the Trump regime. A year ago, weeks after the Carney Liberals won the last federal election, the website [albertaseparatist.com](https://web.archive.org/web/20250514125720/https://albertaseparatist.com/) sprang up, accompanied by similarly named TikTok and YouTube accounts. Article headlines included “The case for sovereignty over statehood” and “Ottawa’s piggy bank wakes up” — but these sites don’t appear to have come from anywhere in Alberta. R… ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2026, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alberta-natural-resources-and-the-rest-of-canada/1017872/727 "2026-06-20T01:09:32Z")
He didn’t miss it. He’s handwaving it away. Let’s face it - the seppies will not even get enough votes for a referendum to maybe hold a referendum. They’re hopeless. It’s not going to happen. It’s a sad little fantasy for a few folks who thirst for more power or grift. ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2026, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alberta-natural-resources-and-the-rest-of-canada/1017872/728 "2026-06-20T02:12:04Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > Apparently you missed **[this post](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alberta-natural-resources-and-the-rest-of-canada/1017872/698)**, Ok, I’ll grant you ‘promoted’. I can’t control what happens in Denmark. Frankly, how do I know that the Federalist side isn’t doing it to use it just in the way you did claiming foreign interference? Given the CBC is funded by the government (Liberals), they are going to push their narrative that this is an actual issue rather than another way to discredit people and potentially make it illegal to share information about it. Given recent bills in parliament, this is likely. Which explains many people not wanting to sign petitions as they are afraid of repercussions such as frozen bank accounts (another Liberal proven tactic). [RCMP found no evidence of foreign interference in Alberta separatist movement, minister says](https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/alberta/article-rcmp-evidence-foreign-interference-alberta-separatist-movement/) But that is secondary. Prove ‘funded’. ---
**Author:** ![FinsToTheLeft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finstotheleft/32/2930_2.png) [@FinsToTheLeft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinsToTheLeft)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2026, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alberta-natural-resources-and-the-rest-of-canada/1017872/729 "2026-06-20T02:33:49Z")
> [@Uzi](#): > > Given the CBC is funded by the government (Liberals), they are going to push their narrative that this is an actual issue rather than another way to discredit people and potentially make it illegal to share information about it. The CBC is funded by the government of the day. They spent years under Diefenbaker, Mulroney, and Harper. Was the CBC hard right under those parliaments? ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2026, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alberta-natural-resources-and-the-rest-of-canada/1017872/730 "2026-06-20T02:51:47Z")
> [@Uzi](#): > > Given the CBC is funded by the government (Liberals), they are going to push their narrative that this is an actual issue rather than another way to discredit people and potentially make it illegal to share information about it. Wow, you really have been drinking freely of the Kool-Aid, haven’t you? The CBC operates under a stringent journalistic code of ethics and the government is legally mandated to be at arm’s length from any interference in its editorial policies. I’ve heard right-wing types criticize the CBC before for having an alleged “liberal bias”. I listen to CBC Radio One all the time and read their website frequently, and their alleged “bias” is toward well-supported **facts** , which right-wing types often hate, such as facts about the urgency of climate change mitigation. As @FinsToTheLeft has stated, the CBC has exercised its journalistic duties in just the same way through all the governments we’ve had. Those who believe that CBC journalism should be dismissed are delusional and both an embarrassment and a danger to my country. ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2026, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alberta-natural-resources-and-the-rest-of-canada/1017872/731 "2026-06-20T02:53:39Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > Those who believe that CBC journalism should be dismissed are delusional and both an embarrassment and a danger to my country. So you support separation? Even the non-separatists in Alberta are for defunding the CBC. An independent Alberta won’t need a ‘ministry of truth’. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2026, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alberta-natural-resources-and-the-rest-of-canada/1017872/732 "2026-06-20T03:05:11Z")
> [@Uzi](#): > > Even the non-separatists in Alberta are for defunding the CBC. > An independent Alberta won’t need a ‘ministry of truth’. You are truly delusional and it’s frightening. The CBC is a national treasure that has arguably done more to promote national unity than any other institution. CBC Radio documentaries are very informative and their online investigative reporting has been deeply impactful, although I must say to the detriment of some major corporations, which might well piss off certain stockholders. CBC Television News has also been very resourceful – back in the days of Bush the Younger one of their documentaties was the first time I had heard about the hegemonistic plotting of PNAC – the Project for a New American Century initiated by Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, and other Bush cronies who became part of the administration’s power structure and precipitated the disastrous second Iraq war. You appear to live in a fantasy world that has no relation to reality and is strictly laser-focused on fossil fuel revenues, and to hell with everything and everyone else. ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2026, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alberta-natural-resources-and-the-rest-of-canada/1017872/733 "2026-06-20T03:10:12Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > The CBC is a national treasure that has arguably done more to promote national unity than any other institution. It’s job is to report the news fairly. And to provide regional programming. IT IS NOT to promote a political agenda. You just can’t understand that it is your attitude that you are ‘right’ and that anyone else should shutup and keep paying that is a key driving force for people wanting independence. Wow. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2026, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alberta-natural-resources-and-the-rest-of-canada/1017872/734 "2026-06-20T03:45:41Z")
I’m going to suggest the job of the CBC is to report the news in a manner based on facts. Facts often are viewed as unfair when they support a position some people don’t like. But it doesn’t change them from being facts. And when facts are seen to be promoting a political agenda it is typically because it undermines the position of the group that doesn’t have facts on their side. Reality is really a thing. I get the impression it is slipping away for you. ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2026, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alberta-natural-resources-and-the-rest-of-canada/1017872/735 "2026-06-20T04:36:47Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > Reality is really a thing. I get the impression it is slipping away for you Yes it is. Which is my point. You have conspiracy theories about secret funding to separatists, you have proven facts that people are using social media to make money, you have security agencies saying there is no evidence of interference. Yet, the simplest answer is that some Albertans don’t want to be part of Canada anymore and know it would be better for us if we weren’t. You have no arguments against this fact. Well other than fear or denigration. ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2026, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alberta-natural-resources-and-the-rest-of-canada/1017872/736 "2026-06-20T16:18:46Z")
$130 million. And that’s JUST the cost on the separatist masturbatory referendum (of which they have NO HOPE for winning); not the total cost of all the traveling town halls, constitutional instability, and public chaos the UCP/Smith government has done over the years. A $130 million referendum for ANOTHER, SECOND, REAL separatist referendum! All for this could have been avoided and answered during the provincial election. Had the UCP had the honesty to campaign on bringing a separatist referendum to the Albertan people, the electorate would’ve properly answered there. Via the ballot box of our constitutionally mandated elections. But, of course, fascists aren’t honest. They lie to obfuscate the stampede of the most extremist, demagogic politics. Think of what the province could’ve have done with this money. I don’t know?.. maybe give striking provincial Teachers better pay and resources? > **[Alberta’s October referendum could cost taxpayers up to $130M: expert](https://www.ctvnews.ca/calgary/article/albertas-october-referendum-could-cost-taxpayers-up-to-130m-expert/)** > > A former chief electoral officer with Elections Alberta estimates the province’s October referendum could cost taxpayers as much as $130 million. ---
**Author:** ![TheTooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/919ad9/32.png) [@TheTooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheTooth)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2026, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alberta-natural-resources-and-the-rest-of-canada/1017872/737 "2026-06-20T18:00:35Z")
> [@Uzi](#): > > An independent Alberta won’t need a ‘ministry of truth’. The conservative attempt to steer the narrative through The Friends Of Science tells me otherwise. Smith’s zeal for banning books isn’t a very good look either. ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2026, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alberta-natural-resources-and-the-rest-of-canada/1017872/738 "2026-06-21T03:08:39Z")
> [@TheTooth](#): > > Smith’s zeal for banning books isn’t a very good look either. You mean the porn in grade school? What worries me is that you don’t see the issue. Can you still buy these books in a book store? Then they aren’t actually banned, just not available in school libraries. Just like the vast majority of books written aren’t there as well, many of which you’d likely agree shouldn’t be there if you removed your political blinders. ---
**Author:** ![TheTooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/919ad9/32.png) [@TheTooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheTooth)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2026, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alberta-natural-resources-and-the-rest-of-canada/1017872/739 "2026-06-21T03:28:56Z")
Yeah, those ones. The ones you’ve decided are porn because Danielle Smith says so. The banning of those books is why I think a Ministry of Truth is right up Smith’s alley. That you support the banning of said books is beside the issue. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2026, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alberta-natural-resources-and-the-rest-of-canada/1017872/740 "2026-06-21T17:17:56Z")
> [@Uzi](#): > > …some Albertans don’t want to be part of Canada… Yes, SOME but hardly a majority. It’s like **some** Texans want to leave the US, **some** people in the Pacific Northwest want to secede, **some** people in Chiapas, **some** people in Baja California, etc. etc. etc. There are separatist movements all over the world. And just like in Alberta, most of them are a minority of the population of those regions. But they are delusional enough to believe it is possible and a good idea when it isn’t close to happening. ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2026, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alberta-natural-resources-and-the-rest-of-canada/1017872/741 "2026-06-21T23:34:24Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > But they are delusional enough to believe it is possible and a good idea when it isn’t close to happening. It is possible. It is legal. And, more importantly, it is a good idea by all measurable metrics. What it is not good for is Canada. But that is their choice. Whether it will happen is another matter. IF the Alberta government moves pensions into Alberta and runs it responsibly, if they remove the RCMP for local policing, if they did those things that people are worried about, then it becomes more likely. I have no idea why Smith has not done these things prior to this even within confederation. eg. We pay more for the RCMP and they consistently don’t provide the resources we pay for. That alone makes sense for Alberta to take it over. None of what I said is delusional. But if abusive ad hominem is the totality of your argument, then you should be worried that it could happen. ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2026, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alberta-natural-resources-and-the-rest-of-canada/1017872/742 "2026-06-22T13:34:33Z")
So no. > [@Uzi](#): > > It’s job is to report the news fairly. And to provide regional programming. IT IS NOT to promote a political agenda. You just can’t understand that it is your attitude that you are ‘right’ and that anyone else should shutup and keep paying that is a key driving force for people wanting independence. Wow. From the Broadcast Act, last updated in 1991. Now to forestall the inevitable, I can not find any proposed updates the Act between the years of 2006 and 2015, which would suggest that the Conservative government at the time saw no need to expend political capital on updating it. - **(l)** the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, as the national public broadcaster, should provide broadcasting services incorporating a wide range of programming that informs, enlightens and entertains; - **(m)** the programming provided by the Corporation should ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2026, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alberta-natural-resources-and-the-rest-of-canada/1017872/743 "2026-06-25T23:30:33Z")
Alberta separation could prompt potential $62B economic hit, business exodus: Calgary Chamber report Headline sums it up. So is the Calgary Chamber of Commerce, with thousands of members just a bunch of fear mongering left wing lunatic communists, who want to destroy Alberta and send all the money to Ottawa? [Alberta separation could prompt potential $62B economic hit, business exodus: Calgary Chamber report](https://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/topstories/alberta-separation-could-prompt-potential-62b-economic-hit-business-exodus-calgary-chamber-report/ar-AA26rUOT?ocid=BingNewsSerp) It seems that a recent poll among members of the Chamber found that Forty-eight per cent of respondents said they are very or somewhat likely to relocate if the separation process moves forward. Nineteen per cent of respondents reported slowing business expansion plans within Alberta, while 15 per cent are actively looking to relocate. Almost two-thirds of respondents reported that talk of separatism is already having a negative impact on their businesses. [Almost half of Calgary Chamber members may leave if Alberta separates: poll - Calgary Journal](https://calgaryjournal.ca/2026/06/24/almost-half-of-calgary-chamber-members-may-leave-if-alberta-separates-poll/) This whole separation bullshit is actively harming the Alberta economy. Right now. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alberta-natural-resources-and-the-rest-of-canada/1017872.md?page=36) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alberta-natural-resources-and-the-rest-of-canada/1017872.md?page=38)