# Alberta, Natural Resources, and the Rest of Canada **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 3, 2025, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alberta-natural-resources-and-the-rest-of-canada/1017872 "2025-05-03T00:31:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 44
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2026, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alberta-natural-resources-and-the-rest-of-canada/1017872/864 "2026-09-07T02:50:36Z")
> [@Uzi](#): > > They don’t need to consent, they do not have a veto. The word was “ consult,” not “ consent.” ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2026, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alberta-natural-resources-and-the-rest-of-canada/1017872/865 "2026-09-07T04:37:44Z")
The phrase ‘buy in’ means something more than consult. I have their buy in equals I have their consent. They have agreed. I have their buy in does not equal I have consulted them. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2026, 8:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alberta-natural-resources-and-the-rest-of-canada/1017872/866 "2026-09-07T08:28:32Z")
The phrase “buy in” is not legal language. Consultation is. You really need to look a little deeper. ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2026, 9:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alberta-natural-resources-and-the-rest-of-canada/1017872/867 "2026-09-07T09:21:05Z")
You’re the one who brought it up. Maybe explain it then on why it was important for you to do so? ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2026, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alberta-natural-resources-and-the-rest-of-canada/1017872/868 "2026-09-08T06:07:58Z")
Consultation is one of the steps necessary for a province to even consider separation. Danielle has not consulted with the First Nations. It’s going to be important if Danielle wants access to resources and anything else that’s on Treaty Land. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2026, 7:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alberta-natural-resources-and-the-rest-of-canada/1017872/869 "2026-09-08T07:02:31Z")
Given their history, I doubt that Alberta separatists will have the slightest concern for legalities, since they never have yet. And, hypothetically, if they do declare Alberta an independent state (won’t happen, but just hypothetically) it would be ruled by their troglodyte ethos including the principles of white supremacy and maximum fossil fuel extraction with reckless disregard for the environment, so treaties with First Nations peoples will be deemed worthless. It will be a redneck Nirvana! ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2026, 10:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alberta-natural-resources-and-the-rest-of-canada/1017872/870 "2026-09-08T10:00:35Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > Consultation is one of the steps necessary for a province to even consider separation. Danielle has not consulted with the First Nations. She isn’t required to, according to the Supreme Court of Canada, until after a successful referendum. Too bad the liberal appointed judge didn’t take that into consideration. > It’s going to be important if Danielle wants access to resources and anything else that’s on Treaty Land. Maybe read a treaty as to what treaty land actually is. Hint: it isn’t crown land. That is completely Alberta’s. It was ceded permanently. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2026, 10:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alberta-natural-resources-and-the-rest-of-canada/1017872/871 "2026-09-08T10:29:55Z")
> [@Uzi](#): > > Maybe read a treaty as to what treaty land actually is. Hint: it isn’t crown land. That is completely Alberta’s. It was ceded permanently. “Completely?” First Nations retain legal rights promised in the treaties. Governments must consult Indigenous groups and respect these rights before using or changing public Crown lands. When a First Nation signs a historic or modern treaty, they agree to “cede” or surrender their broad Aboriginal title to the Crown. In exchange, the government provides specific benefits, such as reserve lands, annual payments, and guaranteed hunting or fishing rights. At least try to get your facts straight and acknowledge that in an Alberta ruled by a separatist faction as currently constituted, white supremacy and maximum fossil fuel extraction with reckless disregard for the environment will be the order of the day – it could hardly be more clear – so treaties with First Nations peoples will be deemed worthless. One can only imagine the decisions that would be made if a major oil reserve is found on First Nations land, or there’s a perceived need for a hazardous pipeline through their unspoiled territory. I’m sure their rights would be highly respected! Yeah, every bit as much as Alberta separatist lunatics respect the rights of Canadians to the integrity of their country! 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2026, 10:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alberta-natural-resources-and-the-rest-of-canada/1017872/872 "2026-09-08T10:31:47Z")
> [@Uzi](#): > > She isn’t required to, according to the Supreme Court of Canada, … Cite to the specific case, please. Even a neutral cite would be fine; I can use that to find it on Canlii. ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2026, 10:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alberta-natural-resources-and-the-rest-of-canada/1017872/873 "2026-09-08T10:59:29Z")
> **[Reference Re Secession of Quebec](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reference_Re_Secession_of_Quebec?wprov=sfla1)** > > Reference Re Secession of Quebec, 2 SCR 217, often referred to as the Secession Reference, is a landmark judgment of the Supreme Court of Canada regarding the legality, under both Canadian and international law, of a unilateral secession of Quebec from Canada. Both the Quebec government and the Canadian government stated they were pleased with the Supreme Court's opinion, pointing to different sections of the ruling. Following the election of a majority of Parti Québécois (PQ) Members of the Nat... ---
**Author:** ![Clipper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/87869e/32.png) [@Clipper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clipper)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2026, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alberta-natural-resources-and-the-rest-of-canada/1017872/874 "2026-09-08T23:45:55Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > Given their history, I doubt that Alberta separatists will have the slightest concern for legalities, since they never have yet. Well wolfpup I think you are correct. Here is an example of one of the separatists, the leader if the Global News headline is correct, being sued for $109 million for being in default of a debt agreement - i.e. has refused to pay what is owed. He is also being sued by the First Nations for misappropriation of tens of millions of dollars from a trust fund. Obviously, Jeffery Rath is not concerned with legalities if it involves money. > **[Alberta independence lawyer facing $109M debt claim by American group](https://www.westernstandard.news/alberta/alberta-independence-lawyer-facing-109m-debt-claim-by-american-group/76738)** > > Alberta independence advocate and legal counsel Jeffrey Rath and his firm face new financial challenges, including a $109 million debt claim filed by a US group that invests in litigation efforts. > **[Alberta separatist leader Rath faces $109M debt claim from US investors  |...](https://globalnews.ca/news/12049115/alberta-separatist-leader-rath-faces-109m-debt-claim-from-us-investors/)** > > An American litigation funder is threatening to call in more than $100 million in alleged debt from Alberta separatist leader and lawyer Jeffrey Rath and his firm ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2026, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alberta-natural-resources-and-the-rest-of-canada/1017872/875 "2026-09-09T04:18:27Z")
> Alberta independence advocate and legal counsel Jeffrey Rath and his firm face new financial challenges, including a $109 million debt claim filed by a US group that invests in litigation efforts. Alberta should declare independence from United States to avoid this sort of exploitative colonialism. ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2026, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alberta-natural-resources-and-the-rest-of-canada/1017872/876 "2026-09-15T14:18:14Z")
Long time conservative riding goes to the Alberta NDP in a byelection. > **[NDP upsets UCP stronghold in Calgary-Shaw byelection results](https://www.ctvnews.ca/calgary/article/ndp-upsets-ucp-stronghold-in-calgary-shaw-in-byelection-results/)** > > Kyle Campbell has been elected to be the next MLA for Calgary-Shaw. The only way to claw normalcy back into Alberta provincial politics is if the centre-right population finally punishes Smith and the UCP for totally surrendering daily governance to its destructive and chaotic extremist right-wing. The Albertan population needs to honestly understand and evaluate if they want monthly constitutional crises aired in national and international headlines. All for no possible public gain. ---
**Author:** ![Kropotkin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kropotkin/32/18045_2.png) [@Kropotkin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kropotkin)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2026, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alberta-natural-resources-and-the-rest-of-canada/1017872/877 "2026-09-15T19:50:17Z")
This story, in an admittedly “leftish” [sic] publication, may be of interest, as may the longer report it draws on: > **[No, Alberta Does Not ‘Subsidize’ the Rest of Canada | The Tyee](https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2026/09/15/Alberta-Does-Not-Subsidize-Rest-Canada/?utm_source=daily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=150926)** > > The vast majority of workers get more from federal programs than they give. TLDR, looking at whether “Alberta” wins or loses depends on whether you look at Alberta workers or very rich Albertans and the oil companies. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2026, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alberta-natural-resources-and-the-rest-of-canada/1017872/878 "2026-09-15T20:55:25Z")
I’m looking forward to a certain right wing apologist to weigh in on this Calgary byelection. I think it’s great, personally, and I often More Parties on the Right! Albertans Want Choice! ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2026, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alberta-natural-resources-and-the-rest-of-canada/1017872/879 "2026-09-15T23:41:01Z")
A supposedly populist movement whose actual beneficiaries are the moneyed class. How … novel. The bastards. Both the smart rich bastards who fund it, and the stupid ordinary bastards who fall for it. ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2026, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alberta-natural-resources-and-the-rest-of-canada/1017872/880 "2026-09-16T01:15:40Z")
One of the more stupid articles that has been disproven previously. Yes everyone pays taxes. High wage earners pay higher taxes. Taxes go to Ottawa who distribute them as they see fit to where they can buy the most votes. All thing being equal, those taxes in a separate Alberta would go to Edmonton and be distributed where they can buy the most votes, but at least within Alberta. As the gdp per capita is higher in Alberta (dammed evil foreign companies for paying our workers more and driving up wages across the board ), then the Alberta government will have a windfall that could be used to provide more services, or, heaven forbid, lower taxes. The key is that Albertans decide, not Ottawa. They won’t even allow us to elect our own senators. Re. Rant about foreign owners in the oil industry. 36-\>70% is foreign owned. 100% of the auto industry is foreign owned. When is Chinada nationalizing that so we can make the Canadian Lada for reselling nowhere? ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2026, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alberta-natural-resources-and-the-rest-of-canada/1017872/881 "2026-09-16T01:20:18Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > I’m looking forward to a certain right wing apologist to weigh in on this Calgary byelection. I think you’ll be looking for a while. ---
**Author:** ![Kropotkin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kropotkin/32/18045_2.png) [@Kropotkin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kropotkin)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2026, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alberta-natural-resources-and-the-rest-of-canada/1017872/882 "2026-09-16T03:44:11Z")
Exactly so. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2026, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alberta-natural-resources-and-the-rest-of-canada/1017872/883 "2026-09-16T05:25:27Z")
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