Seriously: recommending alcohol will lead to more problems than benefits.
I’m saying that anyone who recommends that study should attend an AA meeting to see the truth.
After attending the meeting, they will see that the benefit is far outweighed by the tragedy.
That someone does recommend alcohol, in any amount, does not understand how much damage alcohol can do.
Also, I’m not saying this just because of whatever experiences I may or may not have had with alcohol, but of what many millions, all over the world, have had.
You’re wrong, I don’t care about you personally, or “winning the argument”. My point, which a reasonable person would consider pretty evident, is that moderate drinking is not harmful. If you have evidence to support your claim that it is, then please present it. Otherwise, you may just as well assert “I stubbed my toe on a curbstone once. Other people have too. Clearly, curbstones are bad.”
So just because “many millions, all over the world” have problems with alcohol (and I’m not disputing that in any way), that means NO ONE should drink, regardless of whether it causes THEM a problem? :rolleyes:
Right. I see how this is gonna go. I tried to call a truce, but you’re not having any of it.
I don’t care how many goddamned AA meetings you’ve been to, but they probably wouldn’t display the negative effects of -excessive- drinking I have personally witnessed in 15 years of tending bar. I do NOT dispute the damage that alcohol can cause. I have seen it result in some REALLY BAD SHIT.
Don’t ask stupid questions…no one has been saved by drunk driving. Ever.
I haven’t been intentionally attacking you. You seem a bit sensitive.
You really need to stop accusing me of not reading the posts. Why are you insisting on derailing this thread? (And our pointless argument is doing just that.)
Are you just up for an argument this morning? And if you are, why? I certainly didn’t personally piss in your Cheerios, but you’re acting as if I did.
Stop with the straw man shit. My calling you a teetoaler was directed at you personally, which does not fit the definition.
Ok, wow. I apologize for my seeming thread abandonment - extra work and lack of sleep and all that. Seems this is not the thread I started anymore, now.
It was tough to include enough options in the poll in a concise manner, I understand there are a lot more facets to human behavior both intoxicated and sober than I could ever poll about here.
My feeling is that drinking alcohol can dampen inhibitions enough to make you think it’s okay to say things you normally wouldn’t. Every smallest thought takes on new importance and relevance, and people feel the need to share them with whoever will listen.
I am not a regular drinker myself, nor do I believe that anyone who drinks is an alcoholic. I can neither condemn nor endorse alcohol use, each of us makes that choice for himself. Scientific studies show that imbibing moderately is at the least not damaging to most people physically, but sometimes I think it’s the social aspect that takes more damage in the long run.
By posing this question I refer to a specific incident in which someone (drunk) told me (sober) things that I will never forget, even though they did.
I think the genuine answer is both. I think anyone who has imbibed a lot of alcohol over the course of their life (and I’m definitely in that camp), and who has spent a lot of time in bars (I’m in this camp as well) knows that drunks tell some of the biggest lies and tall tales of anyone.
Being drunk makes you much more likely to outright lie or make up cool stories about yourself for attention. It also makes you much more likely to say something that is true but something you wouldn’t have the nerve to say sober. So I think it is definitely “both.”
An AA meeting is comprised almost exclusively of people who have problems with restricting their consumption of alcohol. That’s why they’re there. An AA meeting will NOT be representative of the general population. An AA member will not be able to have one or two drinks, which is what the study is about. If an AA member has one drink, then s/he’ll keep on drinking until either the booze or the money runs out.
For most members of the general population, one or two drinks a day is probably of some health benefit. Please provide stats that show otherwise, FOR THE GENERAL POPULATION. Stats about AA members, or alcoholics, or other addicts, are not valid for this discussion.