# Aldebaran, If You Tried, Could You Be More Condescending? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 8, 2003, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aldebaran-if-you-tried-could-you-be-more-condescending/187015 "2003-07-08T15:30:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2003, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aldebaran-if-you-tried-could-you-be-more-condescending/187015/41 "2003-07-11T02:59:23Z")
> [@](#): > > All you do is going in attack-, insult-, denigrating- and childplay mode. This is the most concise description of **Aldebaran** ’s posts that I have seen. ---
**Author:** ![Ryle\_Dup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Ryle\_Dup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryle_Dup)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2003, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aldebaran-if-you-tried-could-you-be-more-condescending/187015/42 "2003-07-11T03:10:44Z")
> [@](#): > > All you do is going in **attack-, insult-, denigrating-** and childplay mode. > [@](#): > > Others: > Care to tell him he is condescending, utterly childish and deliberately insulting? > [@](#): > > And even when that was not the case, what good would it do to place information here that people can’t read. > [@](#): > > Can’t you understand that an adult isn’t stucked in your schoolkid mentality? > [@](#): > > By the way: I’m in the meantime informed that the way people behave here IS indeed a typical American schoolkid mentality that seems to stick to certain people even when they grow up. > If there are non Americans in this cosy little group, I feel double sorry for you. You let yourself carried away by US immaturity. > [@](#): > > See now petter a demonstration of the idiotic childishness of people like you? > [@](#): > > If you find that immature, that is your right. But I’m sorry, then you make me wMy God, you urgently need professional help.onder about your ability to read and see what is written without adding things yourself. > [@](#): > > My God, you urgently need professional help. Putting words in people’s mouths is another thing Alde loves > [@](#): > > he preferred the inaccurate translation above my accurate summary. Because that one was in English. Sigh, I could find more but why bother… oh wait, what’s _this?_ > [@](#): > > Since I’m not a pot ( which is in Flemish by the way a very insulting word to refer to a gay woman) and not black, you can keep your kettle and try to clean it. Isn’t that lovely. Even when he **isn’t** acting like a drama-queen jackass, he’s acting like a holier-than-thou jackass > [@](#): > > Well actually in all it is more then ten if I count the medieval forms with them. > And I certainly don’t count English among the languages I would dare to say that I master. I never studied it to begin with and my vocabulary and knowledge of the grammar is extremely limited. > The language study was a necessity to do my other studies. Where I studied, you have to master at least 3 European languages to get enrolment. For the Medieval history I had to add also their medieval forms in order to be able to start with paleography. > I’m not exactly a student any more . I took the decision for the research for that doctorate to keep in touch with what formed always the focus of my interests. > I’m just in love with the sound of Portuguese, but didn’t came to study it so far. It isn’t that difficult to read it if I make the effort and use a dictionary though. > Do you really want a listing? It is a bit ennoying because people here attacked me already because I wrote four words French With grammer failior included since Dyslexia took over in an unguarded moment. Which is for a linguist always surprizing when he discovers his own mistakes, yet doesn’t see them the moment he makes them. > Salaam. > Aldebaran. I’m done. ---
**Author:** ![Ryle\_Dup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Ryle\_Dup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryle_Dup)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2003, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aldebaran-if-you-tried-could-you-be-more-condescending/187015/43 "2003-07-11T03:12:01Z")
Oops, if it wasn’t blatantly obvious, all the above quotes were from **Aldebaran** ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2003, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aldebaran-if-you-tried-could-you-be-more-condescending/187015/44 "2003-07-11T05:52:54Z")
I wonder … what would happen if we all ignored him? Think he’d go away? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Mad\_Hermit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b5ac83/32.png) [@The\_Mad\_Hermit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Mad_Hermit)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2003, 6:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aldebaran-if-you-tried-could-you-be-more-condescending/187015/45 "2003-07-11T06:50:27Z")
Aldebaran, I think you are Sirius. ---
**Author:** ![Mycroft\_Holmes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a5b964/32.png) [@Mycroft\_Holmes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mycroft_Holmes)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2003, 8:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aldebaran-if-you-tried-could-you-be-more-condescending/187015/46 "2003-07-11T08:13:11Z")
> [@](#): > > I’m just in love with the sound of Portuguese, but didn’t came to study it so far. It isn’t that difficult to read it if I make the effort and use a dictionary though. Well, if that’s the case: “Vai te fuder, seu filho da puta! Minha nossa senhora de perpeto socorro. Que burro!!!” > [@](#): > > Calling a Belgian a Dutch is an insult. But are we allowed to call you a “frietjesvreter” instead? From what I have seen of your posts, you sound like a candidate for a one hour report on “Jambers”. (Note to all those not familiar with “Jambers”: it is a craptacular Belgian TV show that is also shown here in the Netherlands.) Oh and just for the record: “BELGIUM!!!” ---
**Author:** ![Xploder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/a183cd/32.png) [@Xploder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xploder)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2003, 11:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aldebaran-if-you-tried-could-you-be-more-condescending/187015/47 "2003-07-11T11:30:48Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Steelerphan \* > \*\*Aldebaran, I think you are Sirius. \*\* You’re my new hero! ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2003, 11:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aldebaran-if-you-tried-could-you-be-more-condescending/187015/48 "2003-07-11T11:42:31Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Aldebaran \* > \*\* > Eum… Can you write the above in simple English to help the illiterate understand please? Thank you. > \*\* FYI = For Your Information Even though you don’t appear to think of your tone as condescending or derisive, it certainly come across that way. While it may be misguided to think that your attitude is condescending, it is certainly difficult to see your remarks in another light. Rightly or wrongly, this _is_ how your attitude is being perceived. I just wanted to make sure that you understood that. While you may not consider the tone of your posts to be rude, I do. There’s a considerable body of evidence that suggests that I am not the only one who finds the tone rude. Even though it may not be rude in your mind or in you area, culture or subculture, in \*this[i/] micro-culture it is perceived that way. While you have no control over how other people perceive your comments, you do have control over your comments. How you decide to post is, of course, your business. I just wanted to make sure that you were making an informed decision. That’s about all the kinds of shrimps they is. ---
**Author:** ![Aries28](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Aries28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aries28)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2003, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aldebaran-if-you-tried-could-you-be-more-condescending/187015/49 "2003-07-11T12:32:09Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by iampunha \* > \*\*I wonder … what would happen if we all ignored him? > > Think he’d go away? \*\* What a novel idea! I say we try it!!! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Aldebaran](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Aldebaran](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aldebaran)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2003, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aldebaran-if-you-tried-could-you-be-more-condescending/187015/50 "2003-07-11T14:02:45Z")
MHolmes, Het simpele feit dat u naar programmas zoals “Jambers” kijkt zegt al alles over u. U bent zelfs de tijd niet waard die het zou vragen uw onhandige poging tot “belediging” te vertalen. Toch wil ik u aanraden mijn hier moeder buiten te laten. Is dat begrepen of moet ik een tekeningetje maken? Dit goedkope aanvalletje en uw taalgebruik zegt ook alles over hoe hard u uw best doet om uw ouders, die hoogstwaarschijnlijk toch gepoogd hebben om u een goede opvoeding te geven, ten overstaan van de hele wereld te schande maakt. U bent de bevestiging van mijn opmerking dat een Vlaming het meestal beledigend vindt om voor een Nederlander versleten te worden. * * * For the others, Felicitations. You work very hard in order to retrieve posts of mine and to “quote” them completely out of context, altered and/or incomplete. You give me the confirmation of your hypocrisy and childishness. This website is a very interesting place to visit. The website itself is excellent, yet some of the members try by all means to make it clear they were born in the gutter - which isn’t their fault at all- and enjoy staying there - which is obviously their own choice. The contrast between the quality of the website and its opportunities to interact with intelligent, decent, educated and interesting persons, and those members from which several are posting here, is at the very least entertaining. Please proceed. You do me a favour. * * * SimonX, I appreciate your comments. I can agree that my style is percieved as being to provocative for people not used to it. But if you consider my posts “rude” - which they aren’t - then what is your appreciation of the posts of others who are willingly denigrating, insulting, vile and as we can witness here even tear my late mother into their insults? That is “normal conversation” to you? Salaam. A. ---
**Author:** ![Aldebaran](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Aldebaran](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aldebaran)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2003, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aldebaran-if-you-tried-could-you-be-more-condescending/187015/51 "2003-07-11T14:09:12Z")
Holmes… Ik ben nu intens gespannen, wachtend op uw commentaar op de een beetje mislukte verbeteringen in mijn tekst… Doe uw best alstublieft. U kunt nu misschien schrijven dat mijn moeder ook achterlijk was of zoiets? Ik ben er van overtuigd dat u nog heel wat meer educatieve taal in petto heeft. Maar wees een beetje sportief en laat iedereen er van genieten… Schrijf het allemaal in het Engels. Bedankt hoor! A. ---
**Author:** ![Mehitabel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8797f3/32.png) [@Mehitabel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mehitabel)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2003, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aldebaran-if-you-tried-could-you-be-more-condescending/187015/52 "2003-07-11T15:05:37Z")
Alde, old chap, how can you possibly complain about the insenstivity of Americans to other cultures and then come in here and totally misunderstand and disrespect this little one? ---
**Author:** ![Mycroft\_Holmes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a5b964/32.png) [@Mycroft\_Holmes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mycroft_Holmes)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2003, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aldebaran-if-you-tried-could-you-be-more-condescending/187015/53 "2003-07-11T16:12:25Z")
> [@](#): > > Schrijf het allemaal in het Engels. And why aren’t you doing this? If you feel the need to write in Dutch, why don’t you open a thread like the one that was done in German recently? If you think you can impress people with your impeccable language skills, it ain’t workin’. > [@](#): > > U bent de bevestiging van mijn opmerking dat een Vlaming het meestal beledigend vindt om voor een Nederlander versleten te worden. See, that’s where you got it wrong. I’m not Dutch. I’m a “kraut” that grew up in the States, married a Brazilian and am now working in the Netherlands. One thing this means is that my kids can beat your (hypothetical?) kids at football any day. Just imagine Garrincha, Pele, Beckenbauer, and Mueller (with a little bit of Cruyff added) all wrapped up into one neat little package. Who do you have? Scifo? Wilmots? But seriously, you should really think about changing the tone of your postings. You do sound very condescending, and trying to impress the people here with your amazing insights into the American culture ain’t gonna work. I consider myself a completely European person, and I also think there are a few things not quite right with the American culture. But then there are a lot of things not quite right with Japanese, German, Dutch, Arab, whatever culture. But that doesn’t mean I go around telling everyone I am the arbiter of what is right and what is wrong, and calling everyone childish if they don’t agree with me. So, to summarize, try being a little less of a “klootzak”, and a little more of a human being and perhaps cultural ambassador. Capisce? ---
**Author:** ![Ryle\_Dup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Ryle\_Dup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryle_Dup)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2003, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aldebaran-if-you-tried-could-you-be-more-condescending/187015/54 "2003-07-11T16:14:17Z")
> [@](#): > > You work very hard in order to retrieve posts of mine and to “quote” them completely out of context, altered and/or incomplete. Took me all of five minutes. They were **not** out of context. I was showing that you often attack people and by saying that everyone else always attacks you is extremely hypocritical > [@](#): > > The website itself is excellent, yet some of the members try by all means to make it clear they were born in the gutter - which isn’t their fault at all- and enjoy staying there - which is obviously their own choice. You believe us to wallow in our own ignorance, once again, you’re being very hypocritical. By the way, quoting you ‘out of context’ would be something like this… > [@](#): > > consider my posts "rude > [@](#): > > I have only one functioning braincell Which is obviously very different than quoting the attacks you made, seeing as how you were completely serious in those attacks, whereas the later quote I showed was sarcasm. The insensitivity and complete disregard for destroying ignorance you show is offensive to the rest of us at best. Continually asserting that everyone here is an american and that we all share the same viewpoint is condescending, ignorant, bigot, and just damn well hypocritical. If you would stop telling people to grow up and stop acting childish, then maybe you would gain some insight into where those comments are coming from? ---
**Author:** ![Aldebaran](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Aldebaran](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aldebaran)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2003, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aldebaran-if-you-tried-could-you-be-more-condescending/187015/55 "2003-07-11T17:19:41Z")
Ryle, You quote not only out of context, you mess up your quotes. And you should give the preceding posts also, in order to have the context = to see where I’m answering what and to whom. It’s very easy to copy and paste to impress people. If I would be ready to spend my time on that, I can paint a picture of posters here that isn’t very flatttering. Holmes, Sorry, I’m not that interested in football. And I’m not interested in “impressing people”. I don’t bother to even think about that in real life, let be I ould bother to think about it when interacting in cyberspace. A good example of how you are following your fantasy. And you’ve got your perception wrong again… And make me smile… Because where do I come up with telling about my “insights” in the US culture"?, And wrong again… I don’t “call everyone childish who doesn’t agree with me”. I call the mentality spread here by The Group (see description of them in former post) who think they have control and who think they can command everyone else to follow their Great Example. They came on board right after the very first post I made on this website and they are still busy. Well, I said it before: everyone is entitled to have a hobby, yet I’m not a hobby toy so they should go find someone else to play with. If those Groupies don’t want to read my postings, nobody is forcing them to do so. By they way: how come you are out of words to denigrate my late mother? You find such things completely normal, yet I can assure you that it isn’t. Do you understand that? And by the way: where do I write that everyone posting here is American? See again how your fantasy gets away with you. And I’m not a “complete European person”. My mother was. So is her family. As for being “cultural ambassador”. I’m multicultural by my very nature being a child of a mixed marriage. And please enlighten me why I should stop telling people who act like schoolkids that they are childish? I know very well where their comments come from. Saw it the first minutes I posted on this website. Ah no, when thinking things over… One must take them serious… Can’t refuse to stop doing that…Members of The Group can’t do anything wrong. So sorry. Forgot once again… Yess… silly me. But what do you want from a retarded who has to be instructed by The Group about how they want him to write and “behave”. I know that is a fashion in some US schools but I’m not in a US school here, am I? It is also a fashion in some US schools to have “debate classes” like if they are up to put a revival of the Stoya in scene. So sorry, I wasn’t at a school in the USA. And I write and discuss in my own style. Thank you for finally making the effort to gain some insight about why I call such people who think they can impose their ways on others immature. Nurse!! ---
**Author:** ![Aldebaran](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Aldebaran](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aldebaran)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2003, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aldebaran-if-you-tried-could-you-be-more-condescending/187015/56 "2003-07-11T17:21:27Z")
Ryle, You quote not only out of context, you mess up your quotes. And you should give the preceding posts also, in order to have the context = to see where I’m answering what and to whom. It’s very easy to copy and paste to impress people. If I would be ready to spend my time on that, I can paint a picture of the posters here that isn’t very flatttering. Holmes, Sorry, I’m not that interested in football. And I’m not interested in “impressing people”. I don’t bother to even think about that in real life, let be I would bother to think about it when interacting in cyberspace. A good example of how you are following your fantasy. And you’ve got your perception wrong again… And make me smile… Because where do I come up with telling about my “insights” in the US culture"?, And wrong again… I don’t “call everyone childish who doesn’t agree with me”. I call the mentality spread here by The Group (see description of them in former post) who think they have control and who think they can command everyone else to follow their Great Example. They came on board right after the very first post I made on this website and they are still busy. Well, I said it before: everyone is entitled to have a hobby, yet I’m not a hobby toy so they should go find someone else to play with. If those Groupies don’t want to read my postings, nobody is forcing them to do so. By the way: How come you are out of words to denigrate my late mother? You find such things completely normal, yet I can assure you that it isn’t. Do you understand that? Who’s the klootzak here my friend? And by the way: where do I write that everyone posting here is American? See again how your fantasy gets away with you. And I’m not a “complete European person”. My mother was. So is her family. As for being “cultural ambassador”. I’m multicultural by my very nature being a child of a mixed marriage. And please enlighten me why I should stop telling people who act like schoolkids that they are childish? I know very well where their comments come from. Saw it the first minutes I posted on this website. Ah no, when thinking things over… One must take them serious… Can’t refuse to stop doing that…Members of The Group can’t do anything wrong. So sorry. Forgot once again… Yess… silly me. But what do you want from a retarded who has to be instructed by The Group about how they want him to write and “behave”. I know that is a fashion in some US schools but I’m not in a US school here, am I? It is also a fashion in some US schools to have “debate classes” like if they are up to put a revival of the Stoya in scene. So sorry, I wasn’t at a school in the USA. And I write and discuss in my own style. Thank you for finally making the effort to gain some insight about why I call such people who think they can impose their ways on others immature. Nurse!! ---
**Author:** ![Aldebaran](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Aldebaran](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aldebaran)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2003, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aldebaran-if-you-tried-could-you-be-more-condescending/187015/57 "2003-07-11T17:25:26Z")
Mehitabel, When I go on a message board, that is with the intention to have interesting conversations and/or debates about a variety of issues with other people. Not to be involved with some people who do nothing else then showing a Group Mentality that is utterly repulsive. That is in my view not a culture, but an attempt to create a mini- subculture and so sorry, I’m not interested in becoming a member of their Unique Club. It is interesting to study on though, looking at it from sociological point of view. Salaam. Aldebaran. ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2003, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aldebaran-if-you-tried-could-you-be-more-condescending/187015/58 "2003-07-11T18:08:06Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Aldebaran \* > \*\* > But if you consider my posts “rude” - which they aren’t - then what is your appreciation of the posts of others who are willingly denigrating, insulting, vile and as we can witness here even tear my late mother into their insults? > That is “normal conversation” to you? > Salaam. A. > \*\* First, I don’t mean so much that your posts are rude, so much as the tone it seems you sometimes adopt. As to what the various others are doing I suspect that they realize how their posts are being received and are consciously engaging such behavior in hopes that their posts will be received that way. That’s everyone’s option. We can all be as rude as we feel the need. That being said, I got the impression that you either didn’t realize that your tone was taken negatively or that others were wrong to take it as such. if it was th eformer, then I wanted to inform you. If it was the latter, then I wanted to let you know what I thought. ---
**Author:** ![Ryle\_Dup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Ryle\_Dup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryle_Dup)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2003, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aldebaran-if-you-tried-could-you-be-more-condescending/187015/59 "2003-07-11T19:47:15Z")
Gah, he just keeps contradicting himself. If I come back later I’ll go dig up posts, but I’m just plain shocked by this guy. ---
**Author:** ![Mehitabel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8797f3/32.png) [@Mehitabel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mehitabel)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2003, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aldebaran-if-you-tried-could-you-be-more-condescending/187015/60 "2003-07-11T19:52:15Z")
Of course people in a group show a group mentality! That’s why it’s called a group. And after being chided by such a huge variety of people here, how can you still think it’s a small core of people doing it? I’ve been here for years (used to be McKenna before a massive server crash wiped out that identity) but I certainly don’t think of myself as a “core” poster. And calling someone “retarded” is seriously out of line and considered very rude. There. That’s your English lesson for today. \ Frankly, the only reason I’m here is because one of my first online friends was also a Belgian. His English was worse than yours, but his attitude? 1000x better. We learned a lot from each other. And we’d like to learn something from you, but your sloppy research and superior attitude are not making it worth it. Use the Muslim virtue of humility sometime, open your mind, and let the people here teach **you**. We’ll all be better for it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aldebaran-if-you-tried-could-you-be-more-condescending/187015.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aldebaran-if-you-tried-could-you-be-more-condescending/187015.md?page=4)