# Aldebaran/New Iskander. The double standards of the SDMB **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 13, 2005, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aldebaran-new-iskander-the-double-standards-of-the-sdmb/284596 "2005-01-13T20:32:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2005, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aldebaran-new-iskander-the-double-standards-of-the-sdmb/284596/21 "2005-01-13T22:08:46Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > I presume that **Xamatix** is saying that if the Mods happen to check, that they may find that both **Xamatix** and **Aldebaran** have posted from the same IP address, thus raising the possibility that **Xamatix** is **Aldebaran** ’s sock. Not that I’M saying such a thing; anyway, I suppose both could have used the same proxy server at some point. If they’re friends or work colleagues it’s very possible. I share IP addresses with at least three other posters on this board and before paid registration the number would have been close to seven other posters all due to corporate IP’s and using machines in friends houses to post. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2005, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aldebaran-new-iskander-the-double-standards-of-the-sdmb/284596/22 "2005-01-13T22:19:37Z")
> [@Xamatix](#): > > It’s not even right to say he gave false information. He gave a lead where the quotes can be traced right beneath them. If you are too lazy to look it up you have only yourself to blame for it. I did look it up and about half of those quotes are not from where he said they’re from. How is that not giving false information? ---
**Author:** ![gum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bbe5ce/32.png) [@gum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gum)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2005, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aldebaran-new-iskander-the-double-standards-of-the-sdmb/284596/23 "2005-01-13T22:19:54Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Aw hell, I always thought he spent most of his time in Belgium anyway; I just didn’t care about it as much as a few other folks did. And who could blame him, huh. All that nice beer and chocolates. 🙂 Mrs. **Xamatix** , Do you speak Dutch, or Flemish, too? Do you know the definition of a ‘jerk’? Groetjes. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2005, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aldebaran-new-iskander-the-double-standards-of-the-sdmb/284596/24 "2005-01-13T22:26:06Z")
> [@Larry Borgia](#): > > Although **New Iskander** can be, um, interesting, I’ve never seen anything from him quite so appalling as his current thread. Really? I’m pretty sure I have, although I don’t have any links to prove it; suffice it to say that I think of him as the most violent sonofabitch on the board. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2005, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aldebaran-new-iskander-the-double-standards-of-the-sdmb/284596/25 "2005-01-13T22:30:32Z")
> [@Xamatix](#): > > The permanent banning over here of a member like Aldebaran instead of seeking a diplomatic solution through dialogue doesn’t give me much hope. It’s like watching the Bush doctrine projected on a mini scale by a US message board. The banning didn’t have to be permanent. **Aldebaran** could have apologized profusely and promised to keep his nose clean. He chose not to. ---
**Author:** ![Xamatix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/e274bd/32.png) [@Xamatix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xamatix)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2005, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aldebaran-new-iskander-the-double-standards-of-the-sdmb/284596/26 "2005-01-13T22:50:39Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > I presume that **Xamatix** is saying that if the Mods happen to check, that they may find that both **Xamatix** and **Aldebaran** have posted from the same IP address, thus raising the possibility that **Xamatix** is **Aldebaran** ’s sock. Not that I’M saying such a thing; anyway, I suppose both could have used the same proxy server at some point. Nothing like that. I’m at a university. Maybe I used its server to post here. I have such a huge post account that I don’t remember. Aldebaran can access that server. I don’t know if he uses it or if its IP’s are in his in his proxies. I know he uses my other IP’s at times. That’s why I think it a remote coincidence for one of them to look like used by me and him. I don’t know anything about computers, only to put it on and off and use a few programs and surf on the internet. Beat me, I don’t know how they do proxy chains. I was a bit angry when I said that about my IP. If they ban me I have no search function. Inconvenient but I don’t think it can kill me. Yes Gum, I’m Belgian. No I’m not a relative of Aldebaran. I don’t get to see him more then a few times a year. If at all. Greetings. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2005, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aldebaran-new-iskander-the-double-standards-of-the-sdmb/284596/27 "2005-01-13T22:51:01Z")
A bit more on this subject, while I’m thinking about it. > [@](#): > > Posters like New Iskander have a free podium for racism and hate. This statement is, quite simply, false. Firstly, anyone who takes even a cursory glance at **New Iskander** ’s thread will note that at this point NOT A SINGLE POSTER so far has endorsed, or even expressed the slightest sympathy with, **New Iskander** ’s viewpoint. Just the opposite, in fact, he currently seems to be getting mercilessly flamed. Secondly, the OP states she has been around here for a long time; she may then remember that about eighteen months ago or so various persons who hang out at a certain white supremacist message board (whose name starts with the letter ‘S’) began posting messages preaching race hatred here. Nearly all of them were banned within a few posts; one was allowed to remain a member for a little while and to post to a lengthy GD thread only because it was relatively polite and well-behaved, given the subject matter, and becasuer the ongoing discussion turned out ot be relatively interesting. Sorry, but the ‘double standard’ charge really doesn’t hold much water. ---
**Author:** ![Xamatix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/e274bd/32.png) [@Xamatix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xamatix)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2005, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aldebaran-new-iskander-the-double-standards-of-the-sdmb/284596/28 "2005-01-13T22:52:51Z")
Yes he apologized. Very profoundly he did. I have copy of the mails in which he did. Don’t throw such crap around if you don’t kow what happened out of your sight. Greetings. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2005, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aldebaran-new-iskander-the-double-standards-of-the-sdmb/284596/29 "2005-01-13T22:58:44Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > I presume that **Xamatix** is saying that if the Mods happen to check, that they may find that both **Xamatix** and **Aldebaran** have posted from the same IP address, thus raising the possibility that **Xamatix** is **Aldebaran** ’s sock. Not that I’M saying such a thing…; anyway, I suppose both could have used the same proxy server at some point. Nor am I. It is entirely conceivable that someone could have a dormant mentor in the form of a 55-year-old non-traditional student from Belgium who shares the same outlook, sense of righteousness, inflexibility, (possible) IP address, elements of writing style and preoccupation with **Mehitabel**. Why not? Perhaps they are cousins. \*Meet **Xamatix** , who’s lived most everywhere, From Zanzibar to Barclay Square. But **Alde’s** only seen the sights. A boy can see from the Golan Heights … What a crazy pair! But they’re cousins, Identical cousins all the way. One pair of matching bookends, Different as night and day. Where **Xamatix** adores a minuet, Beer, chocolate and crepe suzette, Our **Alde** loves to rock and roll, A U.S.'er makes him lose control … What a wild duet! Still, they’re cousins, Identical cousins and you’ll find, They laugh alike, they walk alike, At times they even talk alike … You can lose your mind, When cousins are two of a kind.\* Greetings. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2005, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aldebaran-new-iskander-the-double-standards-of-the-sdmb/284596/30 "2005-01-13T23:00:32Z")
> [@Larry Borgia](#): > > Although **New Iskander** can be, um, interesting, I’ve never seen anything from him quite so appalling as his current thread. I wouldn’t be surprised if there wasn’t a discussion among the mods about it. Aldeberan was repeatedly over the top. Straws and Camel’s backs and all that. That is exactly why I believe **New Iskander** should be warned. **Aldebaran** was not banned because he was scorned by many here, although he was. He was banned for a persistent pattern of misbehavior, accompanied by warnings. **New Iskander** certainly deserves to have the straws start piling up. > [@Lute Skywatcher](#): > > The banning didn’t have to be permanent. Aldebaran could have apologized profusely and promised to keep his nose clean. He chose not to. I believe the powers-that-be did not think that he _would_ keep his nose clean. > [@gum](#): > > In Belgium? Belgium is really Andorra. I swear, I just don’t understand how Europeans keep doing better on geography than Americans. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2005, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aldebaran-new-iskander-the-double-standards-of-the-sdmb/284596/31 "2005-01-13T23:25:28Z")
> [@This Year's Model](#): > > I believe the powers-that-be did not think that he would keep his nose clean. Certainly not after [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=5681519&postcount=82). Complaining and making excuses is not the way to get yourself unbanned. ---
**Author:** ![Xamatix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/e274bd/32.png) [@Xamatix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xamatix)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2005, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aldebaran-new-iskander-the-double-standards-of-the-sdmb/284596/32 "2005-01-13T23:29:28Z")
> [@Lute Skywatcher](#): > > I did look it up and about half of those quotes are not from where he said they’re from. How is that not giving false information? No. He said that he didn’t do any type of research. He gave you the lead to verify them if you liked to do that. That’s _why_ you were able to do it. And maybe your sources are in the wrong, who knows? How can you proof it isn’t? On websites like this it always ends with one word against the other. Readers are free to accept one of both or none. If the quotes would’ve been posted without the notes you had a strong case against him. No discussion on that. As it is you have nothing but a member of a website who posts a few quotes. He completes them with leads to where they are said to be published. He makes it known that he didn’t do any type of research on it. He has them. He posts them like he has them. If I remember this well, he also said he would without saying verify things like that if he ever wants to use them somewhere in his work. Of course he would. Do you expect every poster on a message board to do an academic research on what he posts before he brings it up? Find me such white ravens and I buy you a drink. If you want to know it, Aldebaran is such a white raven. He has years of academic research on Islam behind him and stil does it. Everything he posted on that is supported by his knowledge and research. He said he had a doctorate on the Israel/Palestine situation too? I didn’t read that. Greetings. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2005, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aldebaran-new-iskander-the-double-standards-of-the-sdmb/284596/33 "2005-01-13T23:38:28Z")
> [@Xamatix](#): > > Yes he apologized. Very profoundly he did. I have copy of the mails in which he did. Don’t throw such crap around if you don’t kow what happened out of your sight. > > Greetings. From the original thread announcing the banning, linked to in the OP: > [@TubaDiva](#): > > Aldebaran did indeed request reinstatement. > > However, he brought nothing new to the argument and, in fact, only restated all his old complaints and excuses. There was no reason to reinstate him and he was so informed. This, we hope, is the end of the story. > > your humble TubaDiva > Administrator He may well have apologized, but from everything I saw of him, **Aldebaran** appeared to be consitutionally incapable of changing his behavior. This was presumably obvious in whatever he sent to the administration. ---
**Author:** ![Xamatix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/e274bd/32.png) [@Xamatix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xamatix)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2005, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aldebaran-new-iskander-the-double-standards-of-the-sdmb/284596/34 "2005-01-13T23:44:23Z")
Mehitabel must be maddened when she sees that a member of this website knows what keeps her awake at night. She can’t even forget her obsession now that he’s banned. Mehitabel he isn’t Belgian. He doesn’t live here. He lives in the Middle East. You made yourself look like a fool to me for as long as he was a member. I said what I wanted and had to say. I should’ve said many things earlier. I’m back to reading only. I’ve not payed for my membership to get myself upset by nasty dishonest debates with the enemies of Aldebaran. The SDMB of today is a lost case. When payment comes up it’s time to quit. Greetings. ---
**Author:** ![Xamatix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/e274bd/32.png) [@Xamatix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xamatix)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2005, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aldebaran-new-iskander-the-double-standards-of-the-sdmb/284596/35 "2005-01-13T23:53:01Z")
Colibri: Mails were sent after the first one. Even in that first one he admitted he was at fault too. He didn’t ask to be reinstated immediately. He didn’t see that as a logic step for them to take. He said he understood their decision but that he hoped they would reconsider after no matter how much time they think is needed for them to come to that. Read his LiveJournal if you want to comment on what happened. Now you know nothing. I think they should reconsider things in a few months from now. Wrong things were done at both sides. Greetings. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2005, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aldebaran-new-iskander-the-double-standards-of-the-sdmb/284596/36 "2005-01-13T23:54:29Z")
> [@Xamatix](#): > > And maybe your sources are in the wrong, who knows? One of my sources was a website operated by the Israeli government. I doubt they’d be wrong about anything attributed to Ariel Sharon. > [@](#): > > _Do you expect every poster on a message board to do an academic research on what he posts before he brings it up?_ After what happened to **december** , I’d expect anyone posting a series of qoutes here to verify that they are accurate. **Aldebaran** didn’t and they ended up being a contributing factor to his being banned. C’est la vie. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2005, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aldebaran-new-iskander-the-double-standards-of-the-sdmb/284596/37 "2005-01-13T23:55:45Z")
Anybody remember, a while back we had a poster named Dread Cthulhu? Got banned for staying too much “in character,” as it were? I’ve generally viewed New Iskander’s style the same way. I think he really believes he’s Alexander the Great. …oh, and Jackmannii? Ordinarily I’d be pissed, but ole ruminant Richard Buckner’s been with me for a fucking week. Patty Duke has finally evicted him. So thank you. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2005, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aldebaran-new-iskander-the-double-standards-of-the-sdmb/284596/38 "2005-01-13T23:58:10Z")
> [@](#): > > Mehitabel must be maddened when she sees that a member of this website knows what keeps her awake at night. At a fairly high personal cost, Mehitabel helped expose a nasty troll, a fraud of the highest order. I fully support her pursuit of this issue. ---
**Author:** ![Lynn\_Bodoni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e47c2d/32.png) [@Lynn\_Bodoni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lynn_Bodoni)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2005, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aldebaran-new-iskander-the-double-standards-of-the-sdmb/284596/39 "2005-01-14T00:09:09Z")
I’m going to close this thread. We (the moderating staff) are investigating some issues brought up by the OP. Lynn For the Straight Dope [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aldebaran-new-iskander-the-double-standards-of-the-sdmb/284596.md?page=1)