# Alec Baldwin \[accidentally\] Kills Crew Member with Prop Gun {2021-10-21} **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 22, 2021, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960 "2021-10-22T02:38:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 113
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2023, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/2249 "2023-05-20T21:53:19Z")
> **[‘Rust’ Armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed Wants Fatal Movie Shooting Case...](https://deadline.com/2023/05/alec-baldwin-rust-armorer-hannah-gutierrez-reed-dismissal-motion-1235372654/)** > > All charges have been dropped against Alec Baldwin over the fatal shooting of Rust cinematographer Halyna Hutchins in October 2021, and a resurrected version of the film has almost completed filmin… > **[Alec Baldwin Wraps Filming on Rust](https://movieweb.com/rust-wrap-alec-baldwin/)** > > Alec Baldwin has completed his work on Rust nearly 19 months after the on-set accident that took the life of Halyna Hutchins. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2023, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/2250 "2023-05-20T21:56:15Z")
Recent news on how the gun may have been modified. > **[Hammer of gun in 'Rust' shooting possibly modified, prosecutors say](https://www.reuters.com/legal/hammer-gun-rust-shooting-possibly-modified-prosecutors-2023-05-19/)** > > The hammer of the gun actor Alec Baldwin was holding when it fired a live round killing "Rust" cinematographer Halyna Hutchins may have been intentionally modified, New Mexico special prosecutors said in a court filing this week. ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2023, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/2251 "2023-05-20T21:57:04Z")
I don’t know why they bothered to finish this film. ---
**Author:** ![DPRK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4491bb/32.png) [@DPRK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DPRK)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2023, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/2252 "2023-05-20T22:02:57Z")
The show must go on. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2023, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/2253 "2023-05-20T22:26:37Z")
> [@Baker](#): > > I don’t know why they bothered to finish this film. Would the insurance company pay off for a loss on the film if they didn’t at least _try_ to finish it and sell it off to a distributor? Honestly, I don’t know how insurance for a film production works. Is it just liability insurance, or might it cover other things? ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2023, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/2254 "2023-05-20T23:13:43Z")
> [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > Would the insurance company pay off for a loss on the film if they didn’t at least _try_ to finish it and sell it off to a distributor? Honestly, I don’t know how insurance for a film production works. Is it just liability insurance, or might it cover other things? I actually thought insurance might pay out on this, but I think the insurance company realizes they can finish this movie, so they are going to force them to, more or less. I’m not sure what movies have actually had an insurance pay out, but it is quite rare. I think the death of an actor with 50% of the footage or so filmed might trigger it. Brandon Lee’s death happened very late in the filming and they finished it without him. Heath Ledger died during The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus and they _still_ filmed the movie with different actors. When has insurance paid out on a movie? ---
**Author:** ![Folly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folly/32/3219_2.png) [@Folly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folly)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2023, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/2255 "2023-05-20T23:18:06Z")
I think adding the widowed husband as an executive producer is tied in somehow to actually finishing the movie. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2023, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/2256 "2023-05-21T16:57:27Z")
I suspect there is a certain (morbid) curiosity for this movie that could lead to an audience. And it wouldn’t surprise me if this audience is larger than the number who would have seen the film but now refuse. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2023, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/2257 "2023-05-21T19:19:39Z")
It’s possible the movie was finished to meet contractual obligations, but still will never be released. That happens once in a while, as the release and advertising costs of a movie can be greater than the production budget. If the movie is total crap, they might finish it to avoid penalties or something, then the distribution company just shelves it or sells it to a streaming service for a song as one of their endless collections of low budget crap movies. I have to guess that the movie isn’t very good. It was a low-budget quickie to begin with, and I can’t imagine the stress, delays in shooting, changing of cinematographer and all that was conducive to great art. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2023, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/2258 "2023-05-21T20:20:04Z")
Remember what P.T. Barnum said: “ **There’s no such thing as bad publicity** ” ---
**Author:** ![commasense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/commasense/32/3017_2.png) [@commasense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/commasense)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2023, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/2259 "2023-05-21T20:46:27Z")
Uh, sorry, no. > **['There is no such thing as bad publicity' - the meaning and origin of this...](https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/there-is-no-such-thing-as-bad-publicity.html)** > > The meaning and origin of the phrase 'There is no such thing as bad publicity'. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2023, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/2260 "2023-05-22T02:43:47Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > I actually thought insurance might pay out on this, but I think the insurance company realizes they can finish this movie, so they are going to force them to, more or less > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > If the movie is total crap, they might finish it to avoid penalties or something, then the distribution company just shelves it or sells it to a streaming service for a song as one of their endless collections of low budget crap movies. Quite, it all points to that at this point the better business decision was to finish the job and fulfill obligations, and be willing to take what loss will be unavoidable and write off what you can. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2023, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/2261 "2023-05-22T03:00:34Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > Quite, it all points to that at this point the better business decision was to finish the job and fulfill obligations, and be willing to take what loss will be unavoidable and write off what you can. It will likely be released to streaming if anyone will stream it. Or a Blu-ray only release. I could see it hitting Tubi, Freevee, Roku, Plex, etc. Edit: Does anyone know if Jensen Ackles is still in this? I don’t think he had filmed much, if anything, when the movie stopped production. Wonder if he was able to get out of being in it after this incident. I’d…expect people to be released from their contracts. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2023, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/2262 "2023-05-22T03:01:39Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Or a Blu-ray only release. Is that still a thing? ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2023, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/2263 "2023-05-22T03:02:29Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > Is that still a thing? I have no idea. I mean, doesn’t Steven Seagal still release straight-to-video movies? I saw some at the dollar store last week, they looked like they were from the past couple of years. Note: I have heard Seagal’s movies might be money laundering schemes, which would explain…well, a lot. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2023, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/2264 "2023-05-22T03:16:27Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > I have no idea. I mean, doesn’t Steven Seagal still release straight-to-video movies? Yeah, I’m not exactly sure how we will come to describe crappy movies. I assume that all physical media will disappear pretty soon, but the attraction of seeing a good movie in a cinema when anyone can afford a 4K 65" TV is also decreasing. I honestly can’t remember the last movie of _any_ quality that I didn’t stream. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2023, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/2265 "2023-05-22T03:52:24Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > I assume that all physical media will disappear pretty soon In support of that: > **[After 25 years, Netflix will end its DVD-by-mail service](https://www.npr.org/2023/04/21/1171202739/after-25-yeas-netflix-will-end-its-dvd-by-mail-service)** > > Diehard fans of Netflix's DVD-by-mail service are heartbroken over the announced cancellation of the service. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2023, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/2266 "2023-05-22T12:03:37Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > I honestly can’t remember the last movie of _any_ quality that I didn’t stream. I had to get a Blu-ray of the movie **As The Gods Will** from director Takashi Miike. You can buy it on Vudu, but it does not properly stream anywhere in the US. My library network had the Blu-ray and I watched it that way. ---
**Author:** ![mordecaiB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mordecaib/32/7725_2.png) [@mordecaiB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mordecaiB)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2023, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/2267 "2023-05-30T22:29:46Z")
Sorry, late to the thread again. So the FBI not only broke the gun by pounding on it with a mallet, but they didn’t notice that the hammer had been altered? Or did they notice and the DA fucked up again? So many things wrong with this case from the beginning. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2023, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/2268 "2023-06-14T15:52:01Z")
> **[Rust film set weapons supervisor was likely hungover, prosecutors say](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/14/rust-film-shooting-weapons-supervisor-hungover-hannah-gutierrez-reed)** > > Prosecutors say Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, charged with involuntary manslaughter, has a history of reckless conduct at work [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960.md?page=112) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960.md?page=114)