# Alec Baldwin \[accidentally\] Kills Crew Member with Prop Gun {2021-10-21} **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 22, 2021, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960 "2021-10-22T02:38:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 114
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2023, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/2269 "2023-06-14T19:26:10Z")
> [@Folly](#): > > I think adding the widowed husband as an executive producer is tied in somehow to actually finishing the movie. Perhaps he wants to see her last film completed. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2023, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/2270 "2023-06-16T04:52:08Z")
I wonder if they ask Hannah to grease the U-Joints on that Bus as long as she’s under it. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2023, 8:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/2271 "2023-06-16T08:51:00Z")
Hannah screwed the pooch on that job. Not saying she’s the only one with some fault but she was the freakin’ armorer, it was her _job_ to make sure the firearms were safe to use as props, and to make sure everyone around her followed safety rules and procedures. If they had done that - followed what are, apparently, industry standard procedures in transferring a firearm from one person to another - the live round might have been caught before Baldwin started rehearsing moves with the gun. Maybe. In an alternate history. And Hutchins might still be alive. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2023, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/2272 "2023-06-19T16:00:19Z")
I haven’t seen this email before. It should strongly support Reed’s claim that demands from the production office interfered with her primary job as armor and safety on set. Reed is still responsible for the accident. But this email backs up her claim that she was distracted by her props job. Link [In email exchange before shooting, 'Rust' armorer said she needed to focus on weapons, not props](https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2022-01-28/rust-emails-armorer-hannah-gutierrez-reed) > [@](#): > > On Oct. 14, the film’s line producer, Gabrielle Pickle, scolded Gutierrez Reed in an email reviewed by the Los Angeles Times, saying the production office had received complaints that two shotguns had been left unattended on the set. Pickle also took Gutierrez Reed to task for allegedly not doing enough to support the film’s prop master, Sarah Zachry. > > “We hired you as both Armor and Key Assistant Props,” Pickle wrote in the Oct. 14 email, according to a copy shared with The Times. “It has been brought to my attention that you are focusing far more on Armor and not supporting props as needed.” > > Gutierrez Reed protested the demand that she devote more time to her props role, saying she needed to pay attention to gun safety. > > “Since we’ve started, I’ve had a lot of days where my job should only be to focus on the guns and everyone’s safety,” Gutierrez Reed wrote, noting that on gun-heavy days during the filming, the assistant props role “has to take a back seat. Live fire arms on set is absolutely my priority.” ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2023, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/2273 "2023-06-19T17:04:12Z")
Aceplace57: A key question is how did the live ammunition get onto the set? So far I haven’t seen a definite answer, but the most likely possibility seems to be that it was sent by one of the ammunition suppliers or perhaps the armorer herself provided it. What should have happened was that it should have been checked before being added to the movie production company inventory–but she failed to do this. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2023, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/2274 "2023-06-19T17:29:04Z")
Reed definitely failed to perform her job. All ammo brought to the set should have been checked. I hope time cards may reveal how many hours were spent working on Props compared to Armor It’s probably more relevant to any civil suit against the Production company. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2023, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/2275 "2023-06-20T19:16:03Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I hope time cards may reveal how many hours were spent working on Props compared to Armor Back in my corporate drone days I had to specify how many 1/4 hours were spent each day on various projects, but it seems unlikely that a film production is going to track that. Unless there are union rule/pay-scale issues, I’d think a time card is going to be more like my canning factory days - clock in at 0600, clock out at 2200 (I’m pretty sure my breaks were paid time). ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2023, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/2276 "2023-06-23T13:47:43Z")
> **[Rust film: weapons supervisor on Alec Baldwin movie charged with evidence...](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/23/rust-film-weapons-supervisor-on-alec-baldwin-movie-charged-with-evidence-tampering)** > > Hannah Gutierrez-Reed is accused of passing drugs to someone on the day of on-set fatal shooting ---
**Author:** ![mordecaiB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mordecaib/32/7725_2.png) [@mordecaiB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mordecaiB)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2023, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/2277 "2023-06-24T18:19:01Z")
> ” Gutierrez Reed wrote, noting that on gun-heavy days during the filming, the assistant props role “has to take a back seat. Live fire arms on set is absolutely my priority.” This would be funny if someone hadn’t ended up dead. > [@PastTense](#): > > A key question is how did the live ammunition get onto the set? Even if , for some reason, a stray person brought the live rounds on set, they all ended up in Reed’s possession. None of the live rounds showed up anywhere that wasn’t under her control. I think if we do find out where they came from, it’s going to be her. From the _Guardian_ link above: > Witnesses in the case will testify Gutierrez-Reed was “drinking heavily and smoking marijuana in the evenings during the shooting of Rust”, a new court motion said, adding it’s “likely … [she] was hungover when she inserted a live bullet into a gun that she knew was going to be used at some point by an actor”, [according to the Santa Fe New Mexican](https://www.santafenewmexican.com/news/local_news/prosecutors-say-theyll-decide-whether-to-recharge-baldwin-within-60-days/article_02a778a0-0985-11ee-9d01-1370c5405447.html). > Hannah Gutierrez-Reed “did transfer narcotics to another person with the intent to prevent the apprehension, prosecution or conviction of herself”, the special prosecutors appointed in the case said in a court filing in Santa Fe county, New Mexico. They gave no further details. I read about the drinking stuff early on, but this brings it back to the front. Plus smoking weed and actually having handy the day of the shooting. She really had no business getting this job. I wonder if she was hired based on her father’s history in the business. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2023, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/2278 "2023-06-24T18:23:25Z")
> [@mordecaiB](#): > > I wonder if she was hired based on her father’s history in the business. Absolutely this is the case. That, and I bet she was much cheaper than a more experienced armorer. ---
**Author:** ![mordecaiB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mordecaib/32/7725_2.png) [@mordecaiB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mordecaiB)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2023, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/2279 "2023-06-24T18:25:48Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Absolutely this is the case. That, and I bet she was much cheaper than a more experienced armorer. Probably a little of both. Hey, Happy Birthday! ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2023, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/2280 "2023-06-24T18:31:52Z")
Thank you. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2023, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/2281 "2023-08-09T13:18:33Z")
> **[Movie weapons supervisor waives preliminary hearing in fatal shooting by Alec...](https://apnews.com/article/alec-baldwin-movie-shooting-540e2e55a4a8467501bdf1716604dc40)** > > A movie weapons supervisor has waived her right to a courtroom review of evidence on charges of involuntary manslaughter in the fatal shooting in 2021 of a cinematographer by Alec Baldwin. I am surprised they didn’t have the preliminary hearing some time ago. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2023, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/2282 "2023-08-10T00:58:12Z")
Trial starts December 6: > **[‘Rust’ Armorer Pleads Not Guilty as Judge Sets Trial For Dec. 6](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/rust-armorer-pleads-not-guilty-judge-trial-1235560465/)** > > The prosecution's case revolves around the argument that the weapons supervisor acted recklessly by failing to ensure that all of the rounds she loaded into the gun that actor Alec Baldwin was holding were dummies. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2023, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/2283 "2023-10-17T18:57:11Z")
Kind of flew under the radar here: Two months ago, a second analysis was done on the gun Baldwin was holding. Today, prosecutors announced they seeking to recharge Baldwin (what’s stopping them?). > **[Prosecutors weigh second gun analysis in fatal shooting of cinematographer by...](https://apnews.com/article/gun-analysis-alec-baldwin-rust-new-mexico-33eb5260eac436b7d10a15744dc64d67)** > > Prosecutors have received a second expert analysis of the revolver fired in the fatal shooting of a cinematographer by Alec Baldwin on the set of a Western film in New Mexico, as they weigh whether to refile charges against the actor. > **[Prosecutors seeking to recharge Actor Alec Baldwin in fatal shooting on movie...](https://apnews.com/article/alec-baldwin-rust-set-shooting-halyna-hutchins-f337b3bdc267d30fef67bb7946d738e2)** > > Special prosecutors say they're seeking to recharge actor Alec Baldwin with involuntary manslaughter in the actor's fatal shooting of a cinematographer during filming of a Western movie in New Mexico two years ago. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2023, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/2284 "2023-10-17T19:28:24Z")
> [@bordelond](#): > > Today, prosecutors announced they seeking to recharge Baldwin (what’s stopping them?). It’s easy (and proper) to _say_ they’re reconsidering charging Baldwin. At the end of the day, it’s a whole lot easier to leave things as they are. So, maybe we’ll see renewed charges against Baldwin, but I wouldn’t think there is much appetite for it. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2023, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/2285 "2023-10-17T19:45:11Z")
> Special prosecutors said Tuesday they are seeking to recharge actor Alec Baldwin in the 2021 fatal shooting on a Western movie set in New Mexico by presenting evidence to a grand jury. > > New Mexico-based prosecutors Kari Morrissey and Jason Lewis said they’ll present evidence to grand jury within the next two months, noting that “additional facts” have come to light in the shooting on the set of the film “Rust” that killed cinematographer Halyna Hutchins. So it sounds like it will be up to the grand jury. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2023, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/2286 "2023-10-17T20:30:48Z")
What’s with the difficulty analyzing the gun? It’s a freaking revolver. There are few moving parts and a halfway-competent gunsmith should be able to tell you everything about its function in about 15 minutes. Also, how do you break a gun like that testing it, which I believe was the claim. Revolvers like that are not easy to break. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2023, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/2287 "2023-10-17T20:33:05Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Also, how do you break a gun like that testing it, which **I believe was the claim**. Revolvers like that are not easy to break. No claim – there’s no doubt that parts of the gun were broken in the first round of testing. I don’t know the details, though, and I can’t heartily chide anyone for not taking the account at face value. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2023, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/2288 "2023-10-17T20:35:57Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Also, how do you break a gun like that testing it, which I believe was the claim. Well, the FBI did. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960.md?page=113) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960.md?page=115)