# Alec Baldwin \[accidentally\] Kills Crew Member with Prop Gun {2021-10-21} **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 22, 2021, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960 "2021-10-22T02:38:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 148
**Author:** ![outlierrn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/outlierrn/32/3005_2.png) [@outlierrn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/outlierrn)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2024, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/2968 "2024-07-15T00:42:59Z")
It’s kind of ironic, in that the prosecutor who was basically saying ‘it doesn’t matter how the bullets got there, Baldwin was holding the smoking gun’ is now faced with ‘it doesn’t matter how the evidence didn’t get there, it’s your bag.’ ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2024, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/2969 "2024-07-17T13:16:03Z")
> [@Stratocaster](#): > > I thought about that, but I seem to recall from the Hunter Biden trial that one of our attorneys said evidence that impeaches a witness’s credibility when that evidence is not otherwise relevant is generally not admitted. The larger question concerning this is not if the evidence is eventually admitted or not. The evidence absolutely must be turned over the the defense to they can start looking more into potential defenses. Maybe a particular piece of evidence can’t be admitted, but it can lead to more information which would be useful. The problem is that we don’t know. The prosecution misconduct was so egregious, the only solution dismissing the case with prejudice. It’s too bad, because I believe that Baldwin was reckless, and was looking forward to having a jury examine all the evidence. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2024, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/2970 "2024-07-17T15:44:33Z")
I expected an investigation of Kari Morrissey and possible sanction by the American Bar Association. Instead, it’s business as usual. I thought Hannah’s gun charge was dismissed? Apparently not. Geez, a Felony for carrying a gun into a bar? A lot of people conceal carry and could forget to leave it in their car trunk. > **[Santa Fe D.A. Affirms Support for ‘Rust’ Prosecutor Kari Morrissey After Alec...](https://variety.com/2024/film/news/kari-morrissey-rust-alec-baldwin-hannah-gutierrez-reed-1236072695/)** > > The Santa Fe D.A. has affirmed her support for 'Rust' prosecutor Kari Morrissey, after Alec Baldwin's manslaughter case was dismissed with prejudice. > [@](#): > > Gutierrez Reed’s defense lawyer is seeking a new trial, claiming that evidence was also withheld in her case. Gutierrez Reed also faces an additional trial on a felony charge for bringing a gun into a bar. > > “There is no better advocate than Kari Morrissey to see the Hannah Gutierrez Reed cases through, and her appointment and oath are still in place,” Mary Carmack-Altwies, the First Judicial District Attorney, said in a statement on Monday. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2024, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/2971 "2024-07-26T16:38:15Z")
Legal Eagle has their video on it, by their “resident prosecutor.” [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/tNjfRd4VqTI/maxresdefault.jpg "Alec Baldwin Freed on Prosecutorial Misconduct") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNjfRd4VqTI) Also pinging @RivkahChaya because of her thread asking for the factual info. ---
**Author:** ![RivkahChaya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rivkahchaya/32/8919_2.png) [@RivkahChaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RivkahChaya)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2024, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/2972 "2024-07-26T17:04:14Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Also pinging @RivkahChaya because of her thread asking for the factual info. Thanks! that was really interesting, and answered some of the questions I had about the case. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2024, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/2973 "2024-07-26T17:39:13Z")
So, according to the prosecutor who stepped down, apparently, the rules about never putting your finger on the trigger or pointing the gun at someone do still apply on a movie set. I’m sure that wouldn’t apply in every single situation, but it does make sense to have that rule as the basic rule, and only have certain exceptions when absolutely necessary. I also note that I’ve seen a YouTube video where Mila Kunis (I believe it was) was taught how to do gun stuff, and part of the training involved learning to point the gun in a way that it looked like it was pointing at someone, but really wasn’t. That makes sense, too: avoid pointing it at anyone if you can cheat the angle. ---
**Author:** ![Latimera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/latimera/32/497_2.png) [@Latimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Latimera)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2024, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/2974 "2024-07-26T17:41:44Z")
That was a really interesting video. Thanks for that. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2024, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/2975 "2024-07-26T20:18:48Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > the rules about never putting your finger on the trigger or pointing the gun at someone do still apply on a movie set. There are no such _rules._ Those are basic gun safety _guidelines,_ which film and TV ignore, just like they ignore traffic safety guidelines. . The prosecutor is a moron. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2024, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/2976 "2024-07-26T23:16:01Z")
He’d probably also tell you that you’re not allowed to punch somebody in the face at a hockey game, and yet… ---
**Author:** ![RivkahChaya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rivkahchaya/32/8919_2.png) [@RivkahChaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RivkahChaya)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2024, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/2977 "2024-07-27T12:45:25Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > That makes sense, too: avoid pointing it at anyone if you can cheat the angle. You can also build a giant fake hand holding a giant fake gun, if you want to point it directly at Ingrid Bergman, and have the hand, gun, and actress in focus. The gun can look like a revolver, but doesn’t need to have any moving parts, nor a hollow barrel, and since it’s several feet high, it won’t be mistaken for a real gun. I’d link to the scene where Hitchcock did this in Spellbound, but aside from the spoiler effect, I don’t know if people want links to gun scenes here, even fake ones. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2024, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/2978 "2024-07-28T15:49:19Z")
> The New Mexico Court of Appeals has granted a motion allowing the First Judicial District Court to rule on former _Rust_ armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed’s request for a new trial… > > The Court of Appeals’ order issued Thursday grants Gutierrez-Reed’s unopposed motion asking the District Court to rule on her request for a new trial, despite her appeal. According to her motion, a court can only grant a request for a new trial, based on newly discovered evidence, “on remand of the case” if an appeal is pending. The appeals court’s order grants “limited remand.” > **[District Court gets green light to rule on 'Rust' armorer's request for new...](https://www.santafenewmexican.com/news/local_news/state-court-of-appeals-gives-district-court-green-light-to-rule-on-rust-armorers-request/article_914a35c4-4ba7-11ef-b430-a32e8ae5bfd7.html)** > > The New Mexico Court of Appeals has granted a motion allowing the First Judicial District Court to rule on former Rust armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed’s request for a new trial. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2024, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/2979 "2024-08-05T21:30:49Z")
Prosecutor is confident she’s right and everyone else is wrong. > **[Alec Baldwin Prosecutor Says Case Was Dismissed Because Judge Misunderstood...](https://variety.com/2024/film/news/alec-baldwin-rust-prosecutor-judge-misunderstood-evidence-case-dismissed-1236095820/)** > > Kari Morrissey, the prosecutor in the 'Rust' trials, argued that Alec Baldwin's case was dismissed because the judge misunderstood the evidence. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2024, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/2980 "2024-08-05T23:53:52Z")
This link includes the _The New Mexico Court of Appeals_ ruling. I’m not surprised. This case was handled badly since the beginning. Kari Morrissey seems so clueless. She can’t look back and see her own mistakes? Criticizing the Judge is not going to help. > **[Convicted 'Rust' armorer granted hearing in request for new trial](https://www.koat.com/article/rust-armorer-new-trial-motion/61731976)** > > "It doesn't mean she'll get out. It doesn't mean the judge will grant her motion, but the judge now gets to at least consider it," Day said. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2024, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/2981 "2024-08-19T04:29:02Z")
> **[‘Rust’ Filmmaker Joel Souza Finally Speaks About Fatal Shooting on Set: “It...](https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/story/rust-filmmaker-joel-souza-finally-speaks-about-the-fatal-shooting)** > > In an emotional interview, the director mourns cinematographer Halyna Hutchins, unpacks his complicated relationship with Alec Baldwin, and discusses his reluctant return to finish the movie. Audiences will never see the scene that led to the... ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2024, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/2982 "2024-08-19T05:08:53Z")
Good find. Hard to argue with this: > My recommendation is this: that no guns should ever be allowed. Nothing real that can fire anything. It should all be fake from here on to eternity. And there should still be armorers even because it’s fake, because they’re still not safe unless there’s an armorer. But maybe I’m just biased. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2024, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/2983 "2024-08-19T21:11:59Z")
> [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > My recommendation is this: that no guns should ever be allowed. Nothing real that can fire anything. It should all be fake from here on to eternity. And there should still be armorers even because it’s fake, because they’re still not safe unless there’s an armorer. I disagree. I am not saying allow real guns that can fire real ammo, but guns that can only shoot blanks are still needed. But yes, they are still dangerous. ---
**Author:** ![echoreply](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/echoreply/32/3641_2.png) [@echoreply](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/echoreply)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2024, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/2984 "2024-08-19T21:34:42Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > guns that can only shoot blanks are still needed And if the people on the _Rust_ set didn’t follow the rule about no live ammo, why would they follow the rule about no real guns? I think the solution is not gun safety related, but reporting and over site related. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2024, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/2985 "2024-08-19T23:04:25Z")
> [@echoreply](#): > > And if the people on the _Rust_ set didn’t follow the rule about no live ammo, why would they follow the rule about no real guns? You cant fix stupid. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2024, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/2986 "2024-08-19T23:34:06Z")
> [@echoreply](#): > > And if the people on the _Rust_ set didn’t follow the rule about no live ammo, why would they follow the rule about no real guns? By your logic, then, we shouldn’t even have any rules at all. Except that’s not how (good) systems are designed. The fact that some layers of protection fail is evidence that _more_ layers of protection may be appropriate, or less. The only (viable) counter-argument against that is one of cost-benefit. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2024, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/2987 "2024-09-04T20:15:06Z")
Prosecutor wants another bite of the apple. (I almost said “another shot,” but the rather obvious implication sank in in time.) > **[Prosecutor asks judge to reinstate Alec Baldwin’s film set shooting charge](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/sep/04/alec-baldwin-rust-shooting?CMP=share_btn_url)** > > After judge found evidence was intentionally withheld in July, involuntary manslaughter charges were dismissed [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960.md?page=147) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960.md?page=149)