# Alec Baldwin \[accidentally\] Kills Crew Member with Prop Gun {2021-10-21} **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 22, 2021, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960 "2021-10-22T02:38:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 79
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2021, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1569 "2021-11-17T04:52:42Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > We all know who we’re referring to ( Dave Hall) but thanks. “We all know the gun’s not loaded (he said ‘cold gun’!) but thanks.” It’s just a harmless message board but you couldn’t have given us a more perfect example of how planes crash and cinematographers get killed. _“Everybody knows it safe, just drop it will you? Geez!”_ Please never, ever work for an airline or a film production company. 'K? 'K. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2021, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1570 "2021-11-17T04:55:41Z")
> [@blue\_infinity](#): > > Hey, we all make errots from time to time. To err is human; to forgibe, divine. ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2021, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1571 "2021-11-17T05:07:10Z")
Yeh… I screwed the pooch when I typed ‘errot’. I did indeed make a mistake. It’s like the air traffic controller who told the plane to turn ‘left’ instead of ‘right’, Wait… no it’s not. It’s more like the ATC who forgot his wife’s birthday and then later _didn’t_ crash the planes. Look, it’s not just Magiver. There have been more mistakes, and factual errors in this one thread then I’ve ever seen in any other thread here. And they still just keep coming. Some are typos, some are lazy bullshit mistruths cut from whole cloth. And none of it matters to anyone except that pesky idiot (me). Oh well. I’m a bit picky about facts. Sorry. just habit, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2021, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1572 "2021-11-17T19:45:30Z")
> [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](#): > > Yeh… I screwed the pooch when I typed ‘errot’. I did indeed make a mistake. It’s like the air traffic controller who told the plane to turn ‘left’ instead of ‘right’, I’ve actually had a controller tell me to turn left instead of right toward my destination heading. He wanted me to circle 270 degrees to give some space to other traffic but left out that bit of information. So I asked for a repeat of instructions and was given the reason. The Controller wasn’t particularly busy and basically wasted time on the first instruction. > [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](#): > > Please never, ever work for an airline or a film production company. 'K? Challenging someone is how you stop mistakes from happening. As has been pointed out in this thread before most aviation accidents involve a series of mistakes that add up to an accident. 583 people died when 2 747’s collided because 1 person didn’t question authority. I think the same holds true in this case. > [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](#): > > And none of it matters to anyone except that pesky idiot (me). > > Oh well. I’m a bit picky about facts. Sorry. just habit, I guess. I wouldn’t call you an idiot but pesky isn’t too far off here. You also managed to spell my name wrong in your response to me. But it’s not your multiple typos. it’s the snark. Gun safety is pretty straight forward regardless of location or circumstance. It’s mostly just common sense. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2021, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1573 "2021-11-17T19:48:58Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > I’ve actually had a controller tell me to turn left instead of right toward my destination heading. My dashboard GPS once instructed me to drive through a playground. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2021, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1574 "2021-11-17T20:00:31Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > My dashboard GPS once instructed me to drive through a playground. And people have watched their Tesla drive them into a truck. You would think voice recognition technology could link the brakes to someone screaming. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2021, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1575 "2021-11-17T20:04:04Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > My dashboard GPS once instructed me to drive through a playground Back in the day, I had a Garmin tell me to go straight. The street was under construction and the asphalt was all torn up. I was driving a Jeep Wrangler, so I put it in 4 wheel drive and drove around the barricades. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2021, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1576 "2021-11-17T20:16:09Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Meanwhile, [George Clooney weighed in](https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2021/11/15/george-clooney-reacts-to-fatal-shooting-of-cinematographer-on-set-of-alec-baldwin-western-film-rust/) and basically said what gun owners have been saying all along. This was kind of weird: > “I’ve never heard the term ‘cold gun.” I’ve never heard that term, literally. They’re just talking about stuff I’ve never heard of. It’s just infuriating,” Clooney said. Which was followed by: > “That is something that is always used, ‘hot gun,’ ‘cold gun,'” said motion picture armorer Bill Davis. “That’s the way we do it, that’s been done for years. If he hasn’t heard it, then he’s been living under a rock for the past 30 years.” [In another article](https://news.yahoo.com/george-clooney-talks-alec-baldwin-130638285.html), Clooney is quoted as saying: > The actor added that he personally makes sure to take any six-shooter he’s handed on a set like the one Baldwin was handling and point it at the ground before firing the trigger six times to ensure it is in fact safe to handle. I’m not trying to knock Clooney, but that sounds a bit odd too. Aren’t most films shot on sets? Pointing a gun at the ground and pulling the trigger six times doesn’t seem like the greatest idea, either. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2021, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1577 "2021-11-17T20:21:25Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > I’m not trying to knock Clooney, but that sounds a bit odd too. Aren’t most films shot on sets? Pointing a gun at the ground and pulling the trigger six times doesn’t seem like the greatest idea, either. If, as he says, he examines it first to see it’s empty then he’s demonstrating a gun he has certified as empty to the crew who are likely spread out on the set and can benefit from the demonstration. This is considerably different than handing a gun you haven’t checked thoroughly to someone who doesn’t check at all and who then tests it on a person. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2021, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1578 "2021-11-17T20:31:11Z")
Thanks for that completely useless reply. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2021, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1579 "2021-11-17T20:36:03Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > To err is human; to forgibe I was going to correct your typo, but we’re not allowed. I assume you meant forgive. Anyway, here’s a more accurate modern take on that saying that I think captures the moment: To err is human. To forgive is a huge waste of a political opportunity. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2021, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1580 "2021-11-17T20:51:45Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > I was going to correct your typo, but we’re not allowed. I assume you meant forgive. The errot was intentional. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2021, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1581 "2021-11-17T22:55:09Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > Thanks for that completely useless reply. Baldwin 1 Clooney 0 Clooney explained how to do it safely. Baldwin demonstrated the opposite ---
**Author:** ![Folly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folly/32/3219_2.png) [@Folly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folly)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2021, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1582 "2021-11-17T23:11:16Z")
> [@Article about Clooney](#): > > The actor added that he personally makes sure to take any six-shooter he’s handed on a set like the one Baldwin was handling and point it at the ground before firing the trigger six times to ensure it is in fact safe to handle. Even when the scene calls for blanks? That sure wouldn’t work. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2021, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1583 "2021-11-18T00:14:56Z")
So you think Baldwin was giving a demonstration? Is the “1” on your little scoreboard there the death of Halyna Hutchins? Classy. ---
**Author:** ![Stephe96](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Stephe96](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stephe96)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2021, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1584 "2021-11-18T02:08:25Z")
Of course Gloria Allred is now involved. How the hell would her client know what Alec Baldwin “intentionally” did or didn’t do? > **[Alec Baldwin ‘intentionally’ fired deadly shot on ‘Rust’ film set, script...](https://nypost.com/2021/11/17/alec-baldwin-intentionally-fired-deadly-shot-on-rust-film-set-suit/?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=NYPTwitter&utm_medium=SocialFlow)** > > Mamie Mitchell, the script supervisor is suing the actor, the movie production company and others for assault and intentional infliction of emotional distress. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2021, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1585 "2021-11-18T02:19:27Z")
Wow, fuck that lady for her transparent cash grab. This part in particular: > [@](#): > > In the complaint, Mitchell said Baldwin, “being an industry veteran,” should have known that a Prop Master or an Armorer is the only person who should hand him a gun. Mitchell said the Assistant Director should not have handed Baldwin the gun, and that the actor should’ve known that he could not rely on the Assistant Director’s representation that it was a “cold gun.” Mamie Mitchell’s IMDB credits go back to 1980. She’s every bit as much as “industry veteran” as Baldwin. How come she doesn’t have any responsibility here for not speaking up when the AD handed an actor a gun and told him it was cold? > “I am depressed. I don’t feel safe. I feel that at any moment anything could happen to me and to those that I care about that are standing close to me,” she said. “I do not have a sense of guardrails in my life to keep me safe. I’m frightened of the future." Join the fucking club, lady. It’s the 21st century. Everyone feels like that. ---
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2021, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1586 "2021-11-18T02:43:29Z")
I checked different sites, since the _NY Post_ is basically a scandal rag. I don’t think the plaintiff has a legit complaint, but she sure excoriates Baldwin. That’s understandable because after all, Baldwin…has a lot of money. > The lawsuit alleges “assault, intentional infliction of emotional distress and deliberate infliction of harm” and seeks unspecified punitive and compensatory damages > [[site](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/rust-script-supervisor-sues-alec-baldwin_n_619586f7e4b025be1ad63679)] She also claims Hutchins was “a new but good friend.” In other words, “I just met her two weeks ago, but in retrospect and because it helps my suit, we were besties.” From the [NYT](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/17/movies/rust-lawsuit-mamie-mitchell.html): > It [the lawsuit] said Ms. Mitchell, who was standing less than four feet from Mr. Baldwin when the revolver discharged, “sustained serious physical trauma and shock and injury to her nervous system and person” and “will in the future be prevented from attending to her usual occupation as a script supervisor.” What kind of physical trauma did she incur? Allred’s a feminist, but she does seem to crave the limelight. I’m not sure why she took this case. Maybe nobody else connected to the _Rust_ production wanted her, and she saw this as another chance to get her name in the news? Or maybe she figured Baldwin would settle, and she could get a million or two out of the deal? ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2021, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1587 "2021-11-18T16:17:30Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > So you think Baldwin was giving a demonstration? No, is English not your first language? Clooney explained how to do it safely. Baldwin demonstrated the opposite. If you need it explained, Baldwin demonstrated how not to do it safely by way of his actions. It wasn’t a literal demonstration of safety procedures. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2021, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1588 "2021-11-18T16:43:09Z")
I feel safe in saying … **[Quod Errot Demonstrandum](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q.E.D.)** [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960.md?page=78) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960.md?page=80)