# Alec Baldwin \[accidentally\] Kills Crew Member with Prop Gun {2021-10-21} **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 22, 2021, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960 "2021-10-22T02:38:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 89
**Author:** ![Folly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folly/32/3219_2.png) [@Folly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folly)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2022, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1769 "2022-01-26T03:28:00Z")
It was a dummy round and not a blank. Dummy rounds look like real cartridges but cant be “fired” like a blank can because there is no propellant. They should however rattle when you shake them, possibly have a hole drilled in the side, and possibly have a dimpled primer. ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2022, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1770 "2022-01-26T04:16:34Z")
Ah. Thanks for the clarification. Confusion remediated. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2022, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1771 "2022-02-16T01:36:02Z")
Bump. The law suit against Baldwin has been filed. > **[Alec Baldwin sued by family of cinematographer killed on film set | CBC News](https://www.cbc.ca/news/entertainment/alec-baldwin-sued-1.6352647)** > > Lawyers for the family of a cinematographer shot and killed on the set of the film Rust are suing Alec Baldwin and the movie's producers for wrongful death. It was just a matter of time. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2022, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1772 "2022-02-19T13:01:39Z")
The possibility of firing a gun without pulling the trigger has been discussed in this thread. Some vintage single action revolvers have this fault. That’s why many people were taught to never carry a round under the hammer. Load 5 and leave one empty. Modern revolvers don’t have this safety fault. I still load 5 in my revolvers but some that concealed carry load 6. The DA seems to be carefully studying the case before filing any charges. I’m curious about the examination of the gun that killed Halyna Hutchins. Does it have this safety fault? The armorer on set should have tested the mechanisms of all guns on set. > [@](#): > > She said the group cleared a room in her office, made sure the weapon was empty, and attempted to reenact Baldwin’s actions leading up to the deadly shooting. > > “They visually showed me,” Carmack-Altwies said. “You can pull the hammer back without actually pulling the trigger and without actually locking it. So you pull it back partway, it doesn’t lock, and then if you let it go, the firing pin can hit the primer of the bullet.” The original Vanity Fair article is paywalled. I read it with my one free pass. It’s very good. > **[DA's Informal Experiment Could Corroborate Alec Baldwin's Claim He Didn't...](https://www.rollingstone.com/tv-movies/tv-movie-news/das-inforalec-baldwin-claim-didnt-pull-trigger-corroborated-da-1302508/)** > > An informal experiment conducted by a prosecutor reportedly found that Alec Baldwin's claim he didn't pull the trigger isn't far-fetched. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2022, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1773 "2022-02-19T22:36:02Z")
Can anyone post a link to the actual lawsuit? ---
**Author:** ![blue\_infinity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blue_infinity/32/2817_2.png) [@blue\_infinity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blue_infinity)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2022, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1774 "2022-02-20T03:50:50Z")
Here you go: > **[complaint-hutchins-wrongful-death.pdf](https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/21210637/complaint-hutchins-wrongful-death.pdf)** > > 741.56 KB ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2022, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1775 "2022-02-20T04:04:53Z")
Always sue the dude with deep pockets. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2022, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1776 "2022-02-20T04:11:58Z")
Thanks blue\_infinity. Still no explanation of how the bullet got into the gun. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2022, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1777 "2022-02-20T14:44:39Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Always sue the dude with deep pockets. Especially if he puts a bullet in a loved one. ---
**Author:** ![mordecaiB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mordecaib/32/7725_2.png) [@mordecaiB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mordecaiB)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2022, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1778 "2022-02-26T17:10:35Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > The law suit against Baldwin has been filed. > > [Alec Baldwin sued by family of cinematographer killed on film set | CBC News](https://www.cbc.ca/news/entertainment/alec-baldwin-sued-1.6352647) I think everyone knew this was coming, so no surprise there. It’s a bit misleading for the paper to headline it as Baldwin being sued. It’s everybody and their companies that had anything to do with the movie being filmed that’s named in the suit. Which seems to be the norm, kind of a sue them all and let the court sort it out. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2022, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1779 "2022-02-26T17:42:24Z")
Even if Alec Baldwin weren’t the one holding the gun when it went off, he would still have been sued as one of the film’s producers. ---
**Author:** ![mordecaiB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mordecaib/32/7725_2.png) [@mordecaiB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mordecaiB)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2022, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1780 "2022-02-26T17:50:36Z")
I know, I was just referring to the headline, which made it seem like Baldwin was singled out, rather than just being sued along with everyone else. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2022, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1781 "2022-03-11T17:58:53Z")
> Alec Baldwin is claiming he’s contractually protected from responsibility in the death of Halyna , the Rust cinematographer he shot and killed last fall, in a new arbitration demand filed Friday, March 11. > **[Alec Baldwin Denies Responsibility in Fatal 'Rust' Shooting, Slams Wrongful...](https://www.rollingstone.com/tv-movies/tv-movie-news/alec-baldwin-rust-shooting-responsibility-arbitration-filing-1320138/)** > > Alec Baldwin denied responsibility for the shooting death of 'Rust' cinematographer Halyna Hutchins in a new arbitration filing. Can someone find the complete document? ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2022, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1782 "2022-03-11T18:23:25Z")
I was only able to read a bit of the article before the Rolling Stone paywall clamped down, but it didn’t sound as if he’s trying to avoid personal responibility to the family for his own action with the gun. Rather, he’s seeking arbitration with the production company under his management contract, to ensure he’s not liable as a director of the production company. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2022, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1783 "2022-03-11T22:17:31Z")
Here is the complete document: > **[Baldwin-Rust-FINAL-JAMS-FILED-Indemnification-Complaint2142.pdf](https://deadline.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Baldwin-Rust-FINAL-JAMS-FILED-Indemnification-Complaint2142.pdf)** > > 5.01 MB ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2022, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1784 "2022-03-12T05:41:09Z")
This document has some interesting information. Previously many of us had been under the impression than Alec had no interest in completing the movie. Yet: > In addition, Baldwin made an exhaustive effort to contact the Rust cast in the hope of acquiring their support to finish the film. He did so both with the intent of honoring Halyna’s legacy by completing her last work and of compensating Hutchins and his son from the film’s profits. Depending on the success of Rust upon its completion and release, this additional component of the settlement would likely have equaled millions of dollars. No one who had been involved in Rust is eager to return to New Mexico. But Baldwin understood that the cast might be willing to finish the film as a tribute to Halyna. Baldwin, therefore, reached out to the principal cast, Souza, and Matthew Hutchins. Each individual on the cast and crew of the film had been impacted by the tragedy of October 21, 2021. It was only after an enormous input of time and work that Baldwin was able to convince each of the primary actors needed to complete the film and the film’s director Souza—who had been injured in that day’s events—that finishing Rust was an important step in honoring Halyna Hutchins’s memory and talent, defining her legacy, and, in turn, providing financial support to her family. It also said Alec initiated settlement discussions (something which sound strange when considering he seeks to indemnify himself from financial responsibility). > To honor Halyna’s legacy and assist Hutchins and their son, Baldwin, and Baldwin alone, took the lead on behalf of the Rust producers in designing a proposed settlement to compensate Hutchins and his son for the irreplaceable loss of their wife and mother. As early as November 3, 2021, Baldwin was in touch with the Rust producers, coordinating the effort to get the group together to begin discussions of settlement. But the other producers of Rust, including Ryan Smith, who hired the crew of the film, did not take any substantial part in creating the proposed settlement or communicating the details to Hutchins. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2022, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1785 "2022-03-19T06:22:03Z")
Halyna’s parents are trapoed in Keiv. Her mother is a nurse and works at a hospital. Glad the sister and neice are getting to safety. Baldwin should consider helping in any way possible. Pay expenses and travel to wherever they want to go. It would be the right thing to do. > **['Rust' Cinematographer Halyna Hutchins' Family Trapped in Ukraine](https://www.tmz.com/2022/03/18/rust-cinematographer-halyna-hutchins-family-trapped-ukraine/)** > > 'Rust' cinematographer Halyna Hutchins' family is trapped in Ukraine. > [@](#): > > Halyna’s sister and 3-year-old niece have just made it to the Romanian border, attempting to get evacuated. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2022, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1786 "2022-03-19T22:12:51Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > It would be the right thing to do. It would be a nice thing to do, but why is it the right thing? Is he in any way responsible for these family members being in Ukraine, or for Putin’s decision to wage this war of terror? ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2022, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1787 "2022-03-19T23:07:27Z")
I would feel an obligation to help the family. Halyna would have used her resources to get her patents to safety. She may have been the main breadwinner in that family. I’d want to help in some way because I was connected to her death. I don’t know if Baldwin would view it that way. Lawyers are already looking for anything to use in court. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2022, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1788 "2022-03-19T23:59:14Z")
Halyna’s husband is a corporate attorney. He can easily afford to help out her parents. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960.md?page=88) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960.md?page=90)