# Alec Baldwin \[accidentally\] Kills Crew Member with Prop Gun {2021-10-21} **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 22, 2021, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960 "2021-10-22T02:38:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2021, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/161 "2021-10-22T15:52:44Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > Also, to get ahead of it before anyone overreacts: there was an unconfirmed report that the weapon was being managed by a non-union propmaster and held a live round. This has not been corroborated by anyone official in any way, and appears to have originated with the local union. For what it’s worth, _Variety_ is running with this report in **griffin1977** ’s link above. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2021, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/162 "2021-10-22T16:11:09Z")
And with _Furuhata Ninzaburo_, the Japanese Columbo, using a sword in a period drama instead of firearms, though. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2021, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/163 "2021-10-22T16:15:51Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > Baldwin is a producer on this film-can he be held liable (not should he-I’m asking from a legal standpoint)? He might, though they have insurance for this type of legal situation. Whomever is actually in charge of the weapons in the movie is in massive trouble. It is catastrophic. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2021, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/164 "2021-10-22T16:16:03Z")
Nevermind ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2021, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/165 "2021-10-22T16:18:21Z")
A person opens a package,which then detonates the bomb inside. Is that package opener responsible for the deaths and damage? ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2021, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/166 "2021-10-22T16:23:36Z")
The quote from him on set was, “Why was I handed a hot gun? In all my years, I’ve never been handed a hot gun.” Does this mean a real bullet? Or a blank? I know Alec is producing, but this is an INSANE mistake made by someone else. ---
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2021, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/167 "2021-10-22T16:26:11Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > The quote from him on set was, “Why was I handed a hot gun? In all my years, I’ve never been handed a hot gun.” > > Does this mean a real bullet? Or a blank? I assume a real bullet, as I am pretty sure he’s fired a blank round before at some point in his career. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2021, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/168 "2021-10-22T16:30:30Z")
Dumb question: Why can’t it be standard practice to do a test-trigger-pull first, in a direction away from people, any time before the prop gun is then pointed at people in a scene? Dumb question 2: Is the movie going to be canceled? Hard to imagine Baldwin continuing to carry on acting with the movie or it being released without audiences always thinking about this incident while watching Rust. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2021, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/169 "2021-10-22T16:33:10Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Dumb question: Why can’t it be standard practice to do a test-trigger-pull first, in a direction away from people, any time before the prop gun is then pointed at people in a scene? - The first round isn’t necessarily the inadvertent live round. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2021, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/170 "2021-10-22T16:35:04Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Dumb question 2: Is the movie going to be canceled? Hard to imagine Baldwin continuing to carry on acting with the movie or it being released without audiences always thinking about this incident while watching Rust. Almost certainly yes, it’s going to be cancelled. ---
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2021, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/171 "2021-10-22T16:35:13Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Dumb question 2: Is the movie going to be canceled? Hard to imagine Baldwin continuing to carry on acting with the movie or it being released without audiences always thinking about this incident while watching Rust. I’d say it is going to be cancelled. If it was some huge blockbuster (like the Crow, which was finished after Brandon Lee’s death) there would be pressure to finish it. But this is a low budget indie, I’d be really surprised if it carried on after the DP was killed on set (and if Alec Baldwin could be convinced to carry on) ---
**Author:** ![Hari\_Seldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hari_seldon/32/5173_2.png) [@Hari\_Seldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hari_Seldon)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2021, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/172 "2021-10-22T16:35:35Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > This is the Dope, people. Facts first. Facts, who needs facts? We do, that’s who. I agree totally with your post. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2021, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/173 "2021-10-22T16:36:21Z")
I wouldn’t be surprised if Baldwin retired from acting. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2021, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/174 "2021-10-22T16:39:10Z")
> [@KMS94](#): > > [https://twitter.com/alecbaldwln\_\_\_\_/status/911425278123048960](https://twitter.com/alecbaldwln ____ /status/911425278123048960) I don’t know why a four-year old tweet is relevant except that a picture of Baldwin was taken immediately after the accident. He was doubled over as if in pain with his hands on his knees. He clearly appeared to be distraught. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2021, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/175 "2021-10-22T16:39:35Z")
I just wanna say that 42 seems way to old to be describing someone as “young”. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2021, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/176 "2021-10-22T16:39:57Z")
Getting insurance lined up is usually a dealbreaker for a movie actually being made, and many movies have been held up over settling insurance issues or even canceled due to inability to get insurance (for smaller films.) So it is highly unlikely the film doesn’t have standard and robust insurance for exactly this sort of catastrophe, which would likely protect the producers from having to pay out of pocket for damages. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2021, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/177 "2021-10-22T16:40:40Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > The first round isn’t necessarily the inadvertent live round. If this is a western, he’d probably have a 6+ shooter and ,yes, one pull of the trigger wouldn’t rule out the other chambers having live rounds. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2021, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/178 "2021-10-22T16:41:25Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > I just wanna say that 42 seems way to old to be describing someone as “young”. I see it a lot, the media now treats anyone under 45 as “young.” Which is weird, I didn’t feel young at 40. I also frankly didn’t feel young at 35 either. I feel like 35 is “neither old nor young” and 40 is “not young but not quite old” and it shifts towards “old” with each birthday. Physically I definitely felt more mileage at 42 than I did at 35 or 25, no way I could have been confused for a genuinely young person when I was that age. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2021, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/179 "2021-10-22T16:45:24Z")
Calling someone a “middle woman” sounds weird though. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2021, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/180 "2021-10-22T16:48:27Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > I don’t know why a four-year old tweet is relevant Well it shows that if there is any conceivable way the local cops can pin something on Alec Baldwin about this, they will do. Not that I am too concerned of a miscarriage of justice seeing as this exact moment I’m sure he’s talking to literally the best lawyers money can buy about every single thing that happened during this movie (and as plenty of people have mentioned it would need to be something really messed up for him to have any criminal liability at all). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960.md?page=10)