# Alec Baldwin \[accidentally\] Kills Crew Member with Prop Gun {2021-10-21} **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 22, 2021, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960 "2021-10-22T02:38:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 90
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2022, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1789 "2022-03-20T00:01:48Z")
I didn’t realize he was that successful. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2022, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1790 "2022-03-20T00:45:36Z")
I didn’t think it was a matter of money. The parents are trapped in Kyiv because Russia is bombing evacuation routes and it is too risky to try to leave. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2022, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1791 "2022-03-25T17:10:05Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > It also said Alec initiated settlement discussions (something which sound strange when considering he seeks to indemnify himself from financial responsibility). You can include indemnification clauses in a settlement contract. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2022, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1792 "2022-04-07T02:39:31Z")
> **['Rust' tragedy in mind, Directors Guild launches committee to buckle down on...](https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2022-04-06/directors-guild-has-a-new-approach-on-safety-in-the-wake-of-rust-shooting)** > > The move comes as the DGA and other Hollywood unions face pressure to do more to improve safety on sets. I’m surprised they didn’t do this immediately after the shooting. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2022, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1793 "2022-04-21T18:10:03Z")
> **[‘Rust’ Production Company Fined Nearly $137,000 For “Willful & Serious”...](https://deadline.com/2022/04/rust-production-company-fined-nearly-137000-1235005600/)** > > UPDATED with detailed summary of the investigation: The company that produced the ill-fated Rust movie has been slapped with a fine of $136,793 by the New Mexico Occupational Health and Safety Bure… ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2022, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1794 "2022-04-27T01:37:43Z")
> **[Police release a trove of videos in the probe of the Alec Baldwin film-set...](https://www.npr.org/2022/04/26/1094804349/baldwin-film-set-shooting-videos-rust)** > > Police in Santa Fe, N.M., say they will release all files in the investigation into the fatal shooting in October of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins by Baldwin on the set of Rust. Unfortunately I can’t find them. Could someone post a link? ---
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2022, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1795 "2022-04-27T01:50:26Z")
Here’s what appears to be raw footage–no commentary. It runs a bit over 30 minutes. I’ve only watched the beginning. It was a little too intense for me, even though at least in the bit I saw, they don’t show Hutchins. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/yLbrLEj4icM/maxresdefault.jpg "Police Bodycam Footage From Alec Baldwin 'Rust' Shooting Moments Following On Film Set") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLbrLEj4icM) ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2022, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1796 "2022-04-27T15:14:11Z")
The footage of EMT’s working Halyna is disturbing. I think she was alive and died enroute to the hospital? This video is at the church. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/hXcNoyPYH3Q/maxresdefault.jpg "Alec Baldwin shooting: Body camera footage shows Halyna Hutchins' last moments") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXcNoyPYH3Q) [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/KgU9JqdQZP0/maxresdefault.jpg "Rust Armorer Speaks to Police Just After Fatal Rust Shooting") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgU9JqdQZP0) ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2022, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1797 "2022-04-27T15:37:49Z")
EMT bodycam is the first video. I haven’t found another source that includes the complete footage. EMT’s worked quickly and got her on a stretcher. She seems to be still breathing. > **[Bodycam shows Rust paramedics trying to save Halyna Hutchins](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10753157/Bodycam-footage-shows-Rust-paramedics-frantically-trying-save-cinematographer-Halyna-Hutchins.html#v-2676738655493111933)** > > Data files released by the Santa Fe County Sheriff's office included a video of investigators debriefing Baldwin within hours of the fatal shooting, talking with him inside a compact office. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2022, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1798 "2022-04-27T21:07:45Z")
If you watch the really long interview with Alec Baldwin conducted by police, he is told that the crew member is dead right at the end. He was helpful and even joking just a bit and being friendly. The shock he experiences is palpable. He really thought she’d recover, I think. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2022, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1799 "2022-04-28T02:41:23Z")
Starting here Baldwin is told that Hutchins didn’t make it: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/qpl0Ol-N-PU/maxresdefault.jpg "FULL Alec Baldwin Police Interview About Rust Shooting Incident") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpl0Ol-N-PU) ---
**Author:** ![Mk\_VII](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Mk\_VII](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mk_VII)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2022, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1800 "2022-04-28T17:56:50Z")
Is there really any public interest (as distinct from ‘what the public is interested in’) in releasing this raw footage of peoples’ distress? ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Pearse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/richard_pearse/32/13144_2.png) [@Richard\_Pearse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Pearse)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2022, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1801 "2022-04-28T23:34:17Z")
That was my thought as well. Why is this out there? Yes I’m morbidly curious but I don’t think my curiosity should be satisfied. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2022, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1802 "2022-04-29T13:17:42Z")
An article about the issue which puzzles some of us the most: > **[‘Rust’ Investigation: Where Did the Live Round Come From?](https://variety.com/2022/film/news/rust-investigation-live-round-hannah-gutierrez-reed-1235243228/)** > > The Santa Fe County Sheriff’s Office released a massive trove on Monday from its ongoing investigation into the fatal shooting on the set of “Rust.” The release adds significantly… ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2022, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1803 "2022-04-29T13:29:51Z")
> [@Richard\_Pearse](#): > > That was my thought as well. Why is this out there? Yes I’m morbidly curious but I don’t think my curiosity should be satisfied. That was my reaction as well. In Canada, that video would not be released unless it was used in court proceedings. Otherwise it would be protected by privacy laws. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2022, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1804 "2022-04-29T13:33:02Z")
> [@Mk\_VII](#): > > Is there really any public interest There’s a public interest in not letting the police decide to keep evidence (in this case evidence gathered at tax payer expense) out of public review without a compelling reason. “It’s not necessary for the public to see it” isn’t a compelling reason. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2022, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1805 "2022-04-29T13:46:13Z")
Many states have public records laws. The family can ask a judge to withhold sensitive photos and records. That recently occured with Bob Saget. I was hoping they’d release autopsy report (no photos) describing Halyna’s wound Why did a shot through the arm pit kill her? She received very quick medical care. Med flight to the hospital. I guess this could have gone either way? Reports haven’t been clear. I have the impression she made it to the hospital alive. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2022, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1806 "2022-04-29T13:55:39Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > An article about the issue Apparently an armorer on some other prior movie wanted actors to get practice firing live rounds to experience the recoil, okay. But can someone explain to me why on earth he would have taken a distinctive brand (Starline Brass) that make only dummy rounds for movies, and “reloaded” them to convert them to live rounds? Aside from the obvious stupidity, isn’t it just a lot of work to do that manually, rather than just buying off-the-shelf live rounds? Is it because they make the dummies in an obsolete caliber for antique guns or something like that? ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2022, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1807 "2022-04-29T14:22:37Z")
Given that it is a replica of a very common “Western”-style revolver, there must be rounds in the appropriate caliber for sale, even if just for hobbyists. But it may be a lot quicker, cheaper and easier (and stupendously reckless) for a shop that already has the tools to put a “live load” in available dummies if all they want is a handful of rounds for next Saturday. ---
**Author:** ![Tired\_and\_Cranky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a87d85/32.png) [@Tired\_and\_Cranky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tired_and_Cranky)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2022, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1808 "2022-04-29T15:31:49Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > But can someone explain to me why on earth he would have taken a distinctive brand (Starline Brass) that make only dummy rounds for movies, and “reloaded” them to convert them to live rounds? Aside from the obvious stupidity, isn’t it just a lot of work to do that manually, rather than just buying off-the-shelf live rounds? Is it because they make the dummies in an obsolete caliber for antique guns or something like that? Starline was the maker of the brass cartridge. That is an empty shell which someone (a “reloader”) can use to make live rounds, dummy rounds, or blank rounds as needed. Reloading cartridges is cheaper than buying factory ammunition, particularly because the brass cartridge is the most expensive part and can be used many times. The problem seems to be that some of the Starline brass was made into live rounds and some into dummy rounds and the people who handled the weapons seemed not to have been able to distinguish them when it mattered. The market for live .45 Colt rounds is plenty big enough to support many manufacturers of live rounds. There is, from what I have read in connection with this case, some commercial market for blank rounds but many Hollywood armorers make their own instead. For professionals, it’s probably easier than shopping and they can make them with exactly the amount of powder they want to use for the scene. I doubt there is a real market for dummy rounds since they are easy to make and they aren’t consumed when filming (I almost said “shooting”), so once a Hollywood armorer has a few, they have a lifetime supply. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960.md?page=89) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960.md?page=91)