# Alec Baldwin \[accidentally\] Kills Crew Member with Prop Gun {2021-10-21} **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 22, 2021, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960 "2021-10-22T02:38:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 94
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2022, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1869 "2022-10-06T16:17:41Z")
“The show must go on.” ---
**Author:** ![mordecaiB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mordecaib/32/7725_2.png) [@mordecaiB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mordecaiB)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2022, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1870 "2022-10-06T21:03:57Z")
> [@flurb](#): > > This is likely why they brought Hutchins’ husband on board as a producer. It takes some of the edge off of claims that proceeding with the movie is exploitive or in bad taste if her widower is directly involved in the production. And as @Wheelz says, it’s almost certain to draw a much larger box office than it would have previously. It’s also a way to slide a little more money towards Halyna’s family. Not being a lawyer type myself, I wonder if the money from the producer job is part of the settlement that was made with Baldwin. For the lawyer types: Why are amounts in civil lawsuits often not revealed? Is that the standard, but participants can negotiate to have them released? Or are they supposed to be public, but part of the settlement is that it’s not released? About completing the movie, I hope they got a real armorer and assistant director, not someone’s daughter and an asshole that ignores safety rules. At this point, they should just use rubber guns and spend a little extra on FX. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2022, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1871 "2022-10-06T21:08:55Z")
I’m not shocked they are finishing this movie. See: - The Crow - Twilight Zone: The Movie - Top Gun - The Expendables 2 Among many others. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2022, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1872 "2022-10-06T21:25:13Z")
Wait, who died during the making of Top Gun? I don’t remember that. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2022, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1873 "2022-10-06T21:35:03Z")
[Art Scholl.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_Scholl) He flew stunt planes for the production. You know that scene where the guys says he’s in a flat spin he can’t get out of? The footage from inside the cockpit? He really was in a flat spin he could not get out of. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2022, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1874 "2022-10-06T21:39:09Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > [Art Scholl.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_Scholl) He flew stunt planes for the production. The film was actually dedicated to him. > **[Top Gun's Dedication Message Explained (Who Is Stuntman Art Scholl)](https://screenrant.com/top-gun-dedication-art-scholl-stunt-accident-explained/)** > > Top Gun's Art Scholl dedication, explained. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2022, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1875 "2022-10-06T22:27:34Z")
> [@mordecaiB](#): > > I wonder if the money from the producer job is part of the settlement that was made with Baldwin. Of course it is. Any decent accountant would insist on it. Off-load as much of the settlement as you possibly can onto the film’s budget. That way you can write it off against tax and it doesn’t come out of **your** pocket. ---
**Author:** ![mordecaiB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mordecaib/32/7725_2.png) [@mordecaiB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mordecaiB)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2022, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1876 "2022-10-06T22:52:06Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Of course it is. Any decent accountant would insist on it. Off-load as much of the settlement as you possibly can onto the film’s budget. That way you can write it off against tax and it doesn’t come out of **your** pocket. That’s kind of why I wish the public could see what settlements like this contain. For all we know, Baldwin paid out nothing, just the producer title and the cash that goes along with it. Baldwin could probably just give up his producers share and wouldn’t even feel it. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2022, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1877 "2022-10-07T01:42:39Z")
> [@mordecaiB](#): > > For the lawyer types: Why are amounts in civil lawsuits often not revealed? Is that the standard, but participants can negotiate to have them released? A settlement is a private contract. There’s no obligation on private parties to make their contract public. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2022, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1878 "2022-10-07T01:52:51Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > I’m not shocked they are finishing this movie. I wonder if “finishing” necessarily includes “releasing.” Like, what are the odds they are just “finishing” it because some obscure provision of tax law applies (or ceases to apply), or the insurance contract gets voided (so no payout) if the film isn’t at least completed. Like, before they can claim the loss on the film as a tax write-off, it has to be completed. Or before the insurance will pay out X-million dollars for the loss, they have to at least try completing it. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2022, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1879 "2022-10-07T05:15:25Z")
Possible. Or there could be a rights issue, like there was with the 90s Fantastic Four movie. They needed to make a film or lose the rights, but it was never released and had never meant to be. ---
**Author:** ![mordecaiB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mordecaib/32/7725_2.png) [@mordecaiB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mordecaiB)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2022, 6:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1880 "2022-10-07T06:57:58Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > A settlement is a private contract. There’s no obligation on private parties to make their contract public. Sure, make me look stupid with your straight forward, simple answer. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2022, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1881 "2022-10-27T20:11:04Z")
> **[Inside the Secret ‘Rust’ Settlement: Why Did Halyna Hutchins’ Widower Drop...](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/rust-settlement-why-halyna-hutchins-widower-dropped-suit-1235248454/)** > > Legal experts detail what the estate and the producers stand to gain by calling a truce and teaming up to complete the movie on which star Alec Baldwin fatally shot the DP in October 2021. > **[Santa Fe sheriff completes Alec Baldwin 'Rust' shooting investigation](https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2022-10-27/santa-fe-sheriff-completes-alec-baldwin-rust-shooting-investigation)** > > A year after the tragedy that killed Halyna Hutchins, the Santa Fe County sheriff has turned over the investigation file to the district attorney. > **[Why ‘Rust’ Isn’t Returning To New Mexico; Production Scouting California...](https://deadline.com/2022/10/alec-baldwin-rust-production-california-new-mexico-1235150369/)** > > The Alec Baldwin western Rust is set to scout locations in California next week, near Palm Springs and the Nevada border, though no final decision has been made where the Joel Souza directed movie … ---
**Author:** ![psychonaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/psychonaut/32/4655_2.png) [@psychonaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychonaut)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2022, 6:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1882 "2022-10-28T06:56:01Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > Anyone think you will be able to notice the differences in the scenes between before she was shot and in January? For example the kid will be more than a year older (and taller). If that turns out to be a big problem, they’ll probably reshoot the problematic scenes with him. > [@](#): > > The sun will be at a different position in the sky. …said nobody ever in the entire history of movie goof nitpicking (or so I assume!). ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2022, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1883 "2022-10-28T12:47:15Z")
With the last article I posted note that they are now moving from New Mexico to elsewhere (probably California), So they may have to re-shoot a significantly greater number of screens. “Deadline hears a line producer still needs to hired for production, in addition to a new armorer, assistant director and DP.” So they are replacing the DP (director of photography) because she is dead. And the line producer, the armorer and the assistant director are the three mentioned as most responsible for the death. [the line producer as having a careless attitude toward set safety, the armorer and assistant director for not checking the gun] ---
**Author:** ![mbh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a6a055/32.png) [@mbh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mbh)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2022, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1884 "2022-10-28T14:12:55Z")
> [@psychonaut](#): > > …said nobody ever in the entire history of movie goof nitpicking (or so I assume!). The John Wayne movie _The Green Berets_ ends with a beautiful shot of the sun setting on the Pacific Ocean. A whole lot of people pointed out that, in Vietnam, the Pacific is to the **east**. 😁 ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2022, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1885 "2022-10-28T14:19:10Z")
Is it specifically identified as the Pacific Ocean? Certainly there are parts of Vietnam where the sun sets over the sea. Rạch Giá [https://goo.gl/maps/sge58Dh1rKoRwED7A](https://goo.gl/maps/sge58Dh1rKoRwED7A) ---
**Author:** ![mbh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a6a055/32.png) [@mbh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mbh)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2022, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1886 "2022-10-28T14:24:45Z")
Did the U.S. Army have a base in Rạch Giá? ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2022, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1887 "2022-10-28T14:27:08Z")
No idea. I thought we were picking nits here 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2022, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960/1888 "2022-10-28T14:48:34Z")
The ending scene in _The Green Berets_ was supposed to be Da Nang. So facing East, not West. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960.md?page=93) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alec-baldwin-accidentally-kills-crew-member-with-prop-gun-2021-10-21/952960.md?page=95)