Alec Baldwin [accidentally] Kills Crew Member with Prop Gun {2021-10-21}

He’s a fucking scumbag, but go ahead and defend him because he’s ‘on our side’

I doubt there’s a parent alive who hasn’t said stupid shit to their kids while enraged. Or posted stupid shit to a message board.

Has nothing to do with “sides”.

I’m seeing people on Twitter DEMAND they stop using “real” guns in films but that seems like a really knee-jerk reaction to a freak accident that happens so rarely the last time this happened was in the 90’s.

I never thought I’d read anything here like that “I don’t need to know the details. He’s a scumbag.” comment.

I posted my question for asahi directly to his Pit thread…

Moderating:

CS is not one of my forums, but you’ve been flagged repeatedly due to your thoughtless posts in this thread so I’m going ahead.

You’re not in P&E, and you’re not in the Pit. All of the above posts are off topic and wholly inappropriate.

I’m banning you from this thread. Make another post here and I’ll suspend you from the forum instead.

I’m leaving the flags for CS mods to review.

Good God – we’re not allowed to express opinions anymore?! What the fuck?! I didn’t violate any rules; I’m just not popular.

Fuck it - I get it. Enjoy your declining membership. Fuck you and go to hell.

I’m done.

While his language is a bit harsh he isnt wrong. Alec Baldwin has a very checkered past filled with rage and violence.

Way to miss the point. Goodbye.

This isnt a Disney board. This board has always been place where snark and harsh judgment have been common. If the modding is tranding towards TWOP style restrictions its bad for everyone.

Please don’t argue moderation in this thread. If you want to take issue with the decision, please do so in ATMB.

Was perusing some forums where movie industry types post and it was mentioned that this film’s contract tier was one of the lowest possible, which means all of the technical staff on set are making basically minimum pay rates for the industry, or nearly so. This likely means the technical staff who maintain props and make sure things like firearms on set are handled safely…are not the best people in the field.

You know what, I also think Alec Baldwin should sit on a tack.

Whatever anybody thinks of Alec Baldwin, I cannot even imagine how devastated he must be right now.

I’m sure the truth will out soon enough. If he was actually at fault, he should of course face consequences. If someone else was negligent in preparing the prop, Baldwin deserves our sympathy.

That was doubly tragic, and in violation of multiple laws, because it happened in the middle of the night and involved small children.

Weirdly enough I was on set and had a cold pistol loaded with practice ammunition pointed at me just tonight, and when I had a break I looked through the news on my telephone and read about this. I was a stand in on a Netflix series.

There were no incidents on my set, the weapons master demonstrated to me that the ammunition was a practice round. The practice rounds will cycle an automatic but not fire a bullet. No one fired at me anyway, he just pointed and said bang! then we cut and the stuntman stepped in.

There’s no reason to have even fake firing rounds these days. CGI compositing in muzzle flashes and smoke is off-the-shelf easy to do, and costs barely minutes of time to achieve. It’s cheaper and safer to use Airsoft pistols that fire nothing, and they will still look just as good.

Something about this whole incident just doesn’t add up. There must be Props Masters and Stunt Supervisors across the world right now who are very confused.

Let’s get some facts on the table before everybody runs ahead of the story and latches onto a misinterpreted version of reality.

Industry coverage indicates that this happened during a rehearsal. Not during the filming of an actual scene. A rehearsal.

There is a person on a film set called an armorer whose job it is to manage the firearms. He (it’s usually a he) is responsible for preparing the weapons, keeping them secured on set, formally checking them out to each actor, observing the actor’s handling for safe practices, loading the weapon prior to filming, and checking the weapon back in when filming is complete.

The weapon is never supposed to be loaded during the rehearsal. Baldwin has been working with prop weapons for 40 years. This has always been the rule. If the armorer handed him a weapon for the rehearsal, Baldwin will have had no expectation that it should be loaded or unsafe in any way. If it was loaded, its discharge is 100% the responsibility of the armorer.

It’s fine if you feel animosity for Baldwin. It is not fine if you allow that animosity to skew your interpretation of the facts in the incident.

Given these facts — it was a professional film set, there was an armorer present, the incident happened during a rehearsal prior to actual filming — Baldwin bears zero responsibility. He would not have been expected to re-check the gun after the armorer handed it to him. It just doesn’t work like that.

Also, you should set aside all the mental poisoning from celebrity-obsessed media, which invariably looks for the biggest name in the story and makes them the center of the coverage, because that’s what sells papers and draws clicks. Objectively, the real story here is that the negligence of the armorer caused the death of a promising young female cinematographer (a rarity in Hollywood!) who was highly regarded and coming up fast on a major career.

That’s the headline. “Movie gun-handler’s negligence causes death of up-and-coming cinematographer.” Baldwin is almost incidental to the story.

Now that I’ve said this, I fully expect to be ignored and argued with, by people who can’t get past the fact that Baldwin is the Big Famous Name in the story so of course he’s the most interesting part to talk about. Whatever.

Caveat: Yes, there is a vanishingly small possibility that Baldwin, as the producer of the movie, hired an unqualified armorer or was making unprofessional demands or something else that causes liability to attach to him. It’s not impossible, and if counterfactual information emerges, then the situation will change. But if you know how movie sets work, especially on the subject of prop firearms, you know that this is very, very, very unlikely, and that the overwhelming odds favor the negligent-armorer story.

This is the Dope, people. Facts first.

You miss the point that Baldwin pointed the weapon at another person and pulled the trigger. This is on him especially because it was a rehearsal.

Of course we should wait to see what the investigation discovers. The sad fact that someone was killed will make it far less likely that anything will be covered up.

It’s like you didn’t even read the post you’re responding to.

It comes out at the same velocity as a bullet for approximately 3-6 feet. which is why blanks can still be dangerous and people have died from them.

Prop guns (I own a few) are set up to only accept blank cartridges and many times are 8mm.
Different techniques are used for different scenes due to safety concerns. Such as when someone gets shot point blank in the head.