# Alex\_Dubinsky And The Fatal Foreskin **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 24, 2006, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alex_dubinsky-and-the-fatal-foreskin/370063 "2006-08-24T17:42:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2006, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alex_dubinsky-and-the-fatal-foreskin/370063/1 "2006-08-24T17:42:07Z")
In [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=7711671) on the news report announcing that more studies have confirmed that circumcision cuts the risk of HIV by 60%, **Alex\_Dubinsky** shows up and announces > [@](#): > > In my opinion, circumcision is a barbaric practice that robs men of sexual pleasure by cutting off a third of their erogenous zone and desensitizing the rest. To say that this comment is indicative of **Alex\_Dubinsky** having some “issues” is like saying that an illuminated sign on the Moon lit by several million googol watt bulbs that reads, “I’m insecure about my penis.” is kind of bright. Of, course, this _isn’t_ the only comment he has on the matter. Nope. Next, **AD** compares male circumcision to female circumcision. > [@](#): > > If female circumcision (say you take the lips but leave the clit) was on the table, you and everyone else, I’m sure, would be aghast. You know you would be. > > But when it’s something that’s widely practiced by your own culture, then it’s a. o. k. > > I mean the above doesn’t argue who’s right or who’s wrong. Maybe female circumcision is the thing that’s not so bad. Yet we should find consistency and ask what is ok for a parent to do to his child. Never mind that female circumcision, even allowing for retaining of the clitoris, has decidely _negative_ effects for women and that the vaginal lips serve a different function than the foreskin. Nope, cutting one part of the male anatomy is identical to cutting an entirely _different_ part of female anatomy. Naturally, **AD** has proof of this in the form of rigorously performed scientific studies, that used strict controls and was performed by the finest scientific minds in the world. > [@](#): > > In the movie Yu Tu Mama Tambien, the female lead says something like “you boys come too fast, you should jack off less.” I take that, along with my experience, to corroborate low pleasure -\> fast ejaculation. Damn, that’s gonna be tough to beat. I mean it was in a _movie_, and as we all well know, movies are a better indicator of how things are, than real life is. After all, the reason that at the age of 12 I was unable to master the Force and construct my own lightsabre, was because I’m an idiot and _not_ that _Star Wars_ is fiction. Yup, that’s it exactly. After having a couple of posters question his beliefs and suggest that the thread isn’t the most appropriate place for such a discussion **AD** responds with > [@](#): > > And to anyone who suggests that discussing the ethics of circumcision is inappropriate in a thread about circumcision being a treatment for HIV… anyway, you’re probably only saying it because you’d rather not talk about the ethics of circumcision. Apparently, this is an ethical issue, and _not_ a medical one. So, let’s discuss the ethics of a few centimeters of skin versus the _lives_ of millions of people. At present, in Africa _alone_ there are an estimated 25 **million** people infected with HIV, it is further estimated that 2.7 million people in Africa become infected with HIV **every year**. [Cite.](http://www.avert.org/aids-africa-questions-1.htm#q2) Note that my source does _not_ breakdown how those people become infected with HIV, and while many of them no doubt have become infected due to risky sexual behavior and IV drug use, it is **certain** that a goodly number of them became infected due to things such as rape and being born by an HIV+ mother. You know, rape is bad enough as it is, but to get AIDS from it as well, is more than adding insult to injury, it is probably one of the worst things imaginable. Especially when you’re in a part of the world where proper medical care can be next to nonexistant. According to **AD** ’s thinking, however, all of this pales in comparison to having a few centimeters of skin removed from someone’s “pesky.” Mind you, I’m a bit biased in my thinking. Not only because I’m snipped, but because in 1993 I watched my best friend die from the horror that is AIDS. Actually, “horror” is putting it mildly. Until you’ve seen someone waste away and die from AIDS, you have _ **no** _ idea how bad it can be. None whatsoever. I’ve seen people die from cancer, heart disease, smoking, suicide and a host of other ailments, and ain’t **none** of them as bad as AIDS. AIDS is all those deaths wrapped up in a nice big ball, cubed and then cubed again. And that’s in a _developed_ nation, where people, like my friend, have access to some of the finest medical care in the world (My friend was treated by the doctors at Vanderbilt Hospital, a world class medical facility, and was given superb care.). Can you imagine what it must be like to become infected with HIV in a part of the world where there’s effectively _ **no** _ medical care? Where even _basic_ sanitary measures (clean water, for example) are all but impossible? I shudder to even think about it. Naturally, **AD** ’s anti-circumcision stance has a rational basis to it, one that outweighs the potential of some 1.6 million lives being saved **every year**. > [@](#): > > Well, in a small piece of evidence, there are studies which show that circumcised men ejaculate quicker. > > On the face of it, it seems to imply they get more pleasure. However, if you look into your experience of jacking off (this being a treasure-trove of good data since pleasure swings widely over the course of a month, corresponding with frequency of masturbation), you may note that the times when you receive the least pleasure, you try hardest, and end up triggering your instinctual mechanisms quicker. IOW, it numbs your dick and your partner suffers from you having pre-mature ejaculation. So, let’s see here, 1.6 million lives vs. a numb dick and a lousy lay. Hmm, that’s a _tough_ choice. I mean, on the one hand, we have the lives of a lot of people, on the other hand, we have the possibility of not being able to feel as much and firing off a round too early. How will we _ever_ decide which one is more important? Perhaps it would help if we knew just how much pleasure is lost by losing a couple of centimeters of skin from an organ that’s usually several times the size of the foreskin. (I say “usually,” because there’s probably someone out there who’s stuck with a wiennie that’s _smaller_ than the average foreskin. Wouldn’t you just _hate_ to be someone like that, **AD**? Why, I bet that, unlike you and I, they’d have just all kinds of issues about their naughty bits and just be totally unable to engage in a rational discussion about all things penis.) Admittedly, the results of this will probably be subjective, since I don’t think anyone’s done a study where they put an uncircumcised male in a scanner, taken images of brain activity while they’re orgasiming, then circumcised the male and redone the test afterwards. Fortunately, in the original thread, a couple of posters who were circumcised later on in life can provide us with some examples. > [@Jackknifed Juggernaut](#): > > For the first couple of years, I felt that the area was too sensitive. The next few years, I don’t remember any significant difference. Now, 11 years later, I believe that I’ve lost some sensation and that sex doesn’t feel as good, although it is still very good. I’ve always blamed this on age and the fact that I now get sex any time I want. On the other hand, I last a lot longer (too long, sometimes). One major drawback that I can definitely tie to the circumcision is hypersensitivity immediately after orgasm. This means that immediately after I’m done, I can’t have any sort of contact down there. It’s extremely sensitive. But give it a few minutes and I’m ready to go again. > [@QuickSilver](#): > > If you’re going to present anecdotal and speculative evidence then I’ll chime in as having been circumcised later in life and have found that it’s been a positive change in all aspects: hygenic and sexual. Wow, both those accounts sound pretty bad, don’t they? Especially when compared to what happens to someone who becomes infected with HIV and is unable obtain proper medical treatment (as the **majority** of HIV+ in Africa is). After all, what’s dying slowly, and painfully from cancer, dementia, fungal infections, viral infections, and who know’s what else (and all at once) when compared to lasting a bit too long during sex, increased penile sensitivity after sex and a postive change in hygene? Absolutely nothing, of course. Admittedly, I can’t comment on this issue from personal experience, since I was snipped at birth. My best sexual experiences have involved me calling a halt to the proceedings since I was in danger of passing out from sensory overload. Based on what **AD** ’s said, then those experiences for me would have been so much more powerful that I would have been unable to maintain that little section of my mind which said, “Hey, **Tuck** , ya better get her to give you a rest or you’re going to black out.” Now, we all know how fond women are of guys who roll over and go to sleep immediately after sex, can you imagine the kinds of praise they’d heap on a guy who “dropped out” _during_ sex? Why, I’d bet you’d be the most popular dick in town! Not only that, but with a little effort, I bet that you’d be able to recreate that same level of sensation while jerking off! Can you imagine that? Passing out every time you jerked off! And since you’d go out _before_ you got your nut, you’d _not_ be bothered by any of that annoying “sexual frustration” which bothers cut males such as myself. Yup, **AD** ’s clearly got a firm grasp on the situation, and knows _exactly_ what’s important: a few centimeters of skin. **AD** , I’d like to say that you are a festering fool, who’s ignorance, insecurity about your sexual ability and your excessively infantile castration fears are not merely irrational, but are indicative of a deep seated psychosis such that you are, in fact, a psychopathical monster. I’d _like_ to say that, but I won’t, because that really doesn’t even begin to describe how far off the deep end you are. _Anyone_ who would put a few centimeters of skin ahead of even _one_ life is vile, to chose those same centimeters of skin over the lives of **millions** of people is so evil that even Godwinizing them doesn’t due justice to the level evil that they are. Until you have watched someone die of AIDS (as I have), and until you’ve spent time in Africa and seen how bad AIDS is there, and how nonexistant medical care can be, you have **no** right, none whatsoever, to declare that a potential method for reducing the chances of _even one_ person from becoming infected is verboten and wrong. Can you grasp that? Can you understand that there are things _more important_ in life that a few lousy centimeters of skin that 99.99999% of the population will never miss? Wrap your mind around that, would you? If you can’t, then think of this: If someone you love (assuming you’re capable of feeling that emotion) were in danger of dying and the _only_ way you could save them would involve the amputation of all your limbs, would you do it? If you even have to stop and think about it for a _second_, if your answer is _not_ an automatic, “Yes, of course!” then your problems are greater than you can even imagine. Losing your foreskin is _nothing_ compared to losing your life. Not even close. ---
**Author:** ![Giles](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giles/32/60_2.png) [@Giles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giles)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2006, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alex_dubinsky-and-the-fatal-foreskin/370063/2 "2006-08-24T17:54:34Z")
Wow! And I thought Alex was having it piled on him in the other thread! But I agree (as a man cut at birth) that there’s little evidence that circumcision dulls sexual pleasure for men. And since millions of men have been circumcised, you’d think there would be some evidence out there. And to compare it with female circumcision, which is intended to reduce secual pleasure, was just crazy. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2006, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alex_dubinsky-and-the-fatal-foreskin/370063/3 "2006-08-24T17:58:20Z")
“a third of their erogenous zone and desensitizing the rest.” Jesus, if I were “intact” would even thinking about baseball have a chance of slowing the inevitable? :eek: ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2006, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alex_dubinsky-and-the-fatal-foreskin/370063/4 "2006-08-24T17:58:51Z")
Do I hear the lonesome cries of **Jack Dean Tyler** echoing in the distance? ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2006, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alex_dubinsky-and-the-fatal-foreskin/370063/5 "2006-08-24T18:00:22Z")
Isn’t there a somewhat of a mini-movement against male circumcision? I seem to recall other threads, on this board and elsewhere, containing much (to me) rather bizzare ranting on the subject. Not that I care much, one way or the other. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2006, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alex_dubinsky-and-the-fatal-foreskin/370063/6 "2006-08-24T18:01:22Z")
> [@AD](#): > > …by cutting off a third of their erogenous zone… Who the hell has a 4" foreskin? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2006, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alex_dubinsky-and-the-fatal-foreskin/370063/7 "2006-08-24T18:07:25Z")
Take a look at the rest of what he’s posted. Frankly, his posts in that thread are probably the highlight of his contributions to discussion around here. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2006, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alex_dubinsky-and-the-fatal-foreskin/370063/8 "2006-08-24T18:08:36Z")
> [@](#): > > But I agree (as a man cut at birth) that there’s little evidence that circumcision dulls sexual pleasure for men. And since millions of men have been circumcised, you’d think there would be some evidence out there. Well, it’s kinda hard to compare sensations felt by two different individuals (one who’s been clipped from an early age and one who hasn’t). It would be as absurd as my trying to prove that the color I call “blue” is the same one you call “blue”. We could show that our sensitivity in the blue part of the spectrum is the same, and show we can distinguish blue from orange, but for all I know, what you’re calling “blue” is what _I_ call “red”. And I don’t know any way to quantify human sensitivity. And comparing results for a person circumcized as an adult won’t necessarily tell you the answer. Me, I’m against male circumcision in general. ---
**Author:** ![Jodi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7feea3/32.png) [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2006, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alex_dubinsky-and-the-fatal-foreskin/370063/9 "2006-08-24T18:09:54Z")
Sound like someone needs a Tug-Ahoy! C’mon, guys, let’s pass the hat; a couple bucks each and he’ll be happier than a kid on Christmas morning. ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2006, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alex_dubinsky-and-the-fatal-foreskin/370063/10 "2006-08-24T18:10:58Z")
> [@Giles](#): > > ``` > Wow! And I thought Alex was having it piled on him in the other thread! > > ``` Sorry about that. I know I was dancing on the borderline for MPSIMS, but I was willing to risk a Warning for it. And I AM anti elective circumcision, by the way. Both male \*and \*female. Until real health benefits like this come up and I open my mind to the idea that there may be reasons for it. I’m not ready to run out and demand all my lovers be snipped, but I do think this bears watching and careful consideration. But **Alex\_Dubinsky** is the prime example of the sort of misguided ignorant I don’t \*want \*on my side. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2006, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alex_dubinsky-and-the-fatal-foreskin/370063/11 "2006-08-24T18:11:11Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Who the hell has a 4" foreskin? 😃 I dunno. Eight year old boys? ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2006, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alex_dubinsky-and-the-fatal-foreskin/370063/12 "2006-08-24T18:15:16Z")
> [@CalMeacham](#): > > Well, it’s kinda hard to compare sensations felt by two different individuals (one who’s been clipped from an early age and one who hasn’t). It would be as absurd as my trying to prove that the color I call “blue” is the same one you call “blue”. We could show that our sensitivity in the blue part of the spectrum is the same, and show we can distinguish blue from orange, but for all I know, what you’re calling “blue” is what _I_ call “red”. > > And I don’t know any way to quantify human sensitivity. > And comparing results for a person circumcized as an adult won’t necessarily tell you the answer. Perhaps this fellow can help, in an experimental manner: [Home | Thomson Reuters](http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/DEL270522.htm)😉 > [@](#): > > Me, I’m against male circumcision in general. Even if it is proven as a propylactic against AIDS? ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2006, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alex_dubinsky-and-the-fatal-foreskin/370063/13 "2006-08-24T18:28:09Z")
> [@](#): > > Alex\_Dubinsky And The Fatal Foreskin Opening for Pearl Jam, TONIGHT! ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2006, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alex_dubinsky-and-the-fatal-foreskin/370063/14 "2006-08-24T18:36:31Z")
I don’t think it’s worth it Pitting him, Tucker, but I do think it was an excellent Pitting. Well-informed and interesting to read without profanity forced in. I mean, profainty has its place, but this Pit did great without much. ---
**Author:** ![Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helen_s_Eidolon)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2006, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alex_dubinsky-and-the-fatal-foreskin/370063/15 "2006-08-24T18:38:36Z")
God, I love the circumcision debates. The **JDT** incident is one of my favourite series of threads ever. ---
**Author:** ![saoirse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@saoirse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saoirse)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2006, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alex_dubinsky-and-the-fatal-foreskin/370063/16 "2006-08-24T19:03:39Z")
As I pointed out in the other thread, The American Academy of Pediatrics does not recommend circumcision. Other countries’ pediatric associations actually recommend against it. Anyone who has had a male child in the past 20 years should be well aware that there are real argunebts against doing this. Also, Circumcision can only reduce your risk of getting HIV if you’re in a position to be infected in the first place. If men feel safe going bareback because they’re circumcised, we’re not going to reduce AIDS infections very much. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2006, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alex_dubinsky-and-the-fatal-foreskin/370063/17 "2006-08-24T19:12:40Z")
> [@](#): > > Even if it is proven as a propylactic against AIDS? Yup. See **saoirse** ’s post above.Plus, in my day, it was believed that circumcision was proof against cancer . Nowadays they say that you just have to keep it clean. I’m geberally against cutting anything that doesn’t need to be. I’m not familiar with the arguments for snipping in Africa, but I suspect this is much more than a simple open-and-shut case. You could as easily have said in the 1950s “even if it prevents cancer?”, and been just as wrong. ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2006, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alex_dubinsky-and-the-fatal-foreskin/370063/18 "2006-08-24T19:26:26Z")
> [@saoirse](#): > > As I pointed out in the other thread, The American Academy of Pediatrics does not recommend circumcision. Other countries’ pediatric associations actually recommend against it. Anyone who has had a male child in the past 20 years should be well aware that there are real argunebts against doing this. > > Also, Circumcision can only reduce your risk of getting HIV if you’re in a position to be infected in the first place. If men feel safe going bareback because they’re circumcised, we’re not going to reduce AIDS infections very much. Right, but for the men in the study, it was reducing AIDS infections very much - 60%! Again, _for the men in the study_. Who live in an area where it’s very, very difficult to get men to wear condoms because of cultural standards. A single study may tell us nothing about the wider population - it only tells us about the population that was studied. We cannot extrapolate that data to a conclusion which includes, say European and American men, because European and American men behave differently. Nonetheless, it’s interesting information, and certainly anything that reduces AIDS transmission by 60% in \*any \*population is worth investigating further, wouldn’t you agree? The AAP’s decision to not recommend circumcision (and, as pointed out, they don’t NOT recommend it, they’re wonderfully ambivalent on the issue) was made before this study was done. It may be that the evidence becomes overwhelming enough that the AAP may revise their recommendation - something they do all the time as new data becomes available. Or not. I’m just saying we should be open minded here, and not stick our fingers in our ears and go LALALALALA because it’s about circumcision. On EITHER side of the debate. [QUOTE= CalMeacham] You could as easily have said in the 1950s “even if it prevents cancer?”, and been just as wrong. [/QUOTE] No, I would have been just as _right_, if the assumption (that circumcision prevents cancer) had been right. It wasn’t, as it turns out. But if it had, I think many men would have decided it was a worthy trade-off. And similarly, IF this data is borne out by further studies and expanded to other cultural groups and IF those studies do continue to show a decrease in AIDS transmissions, then of course it would be worth it. Those are all ifs at the moment, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2006, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alex_dubinsky-and-the-fatal-foreskin/370063/19 "2006-08-24T19:37:11Z")
> [@CalMeacham](#): > > Yup. See **saoirse** ’s post above.Plus, in my day, it was believed that circumcision was proof against cancer . Nowadays they say that you just have to keep it clean. Really? Last time I saw the figures, circumcised men almost never get penile cancer (something like single digit number of cases per year), while uncut men are vulnerable to the disease. Now, it’s not a very common cancer in any case, but circumcision reduces your chances of getting it to 0 for all practical purposes. Do you have info that contradicts this? Not- you may not feel the risk of penile cancer outweighs the cost (real or imagined) of circumcision, but that’s another argument. Saying that circumcision prevents penile cancer is a fact as far as I know, that’s what I’m questioning. ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2006, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alex_dubinsky-and-the-fatal-foreskin/370063/20 "2006-08-24T19:55:15Z")
> [@saoirse](#): > > As I pointed out in the other thread, The American Academy of Pediatrics does not recommend circumcision. Other countries’ pediatric associations actually recommend against it. Anyone who has had a male child in the past 20 years should be well aware that there are real argunebts against doing this. > > Also, Circumcision can only reduce your risk of getting HIV if you’re in a position to be infected in the first place. If men feel safe going bareback because they’re circumcised, we’re not going to reduce AIDS infections very much. Seems similar in logic to asserting that seatbelts won’t do any good, as they are likely to encourage unsafe driving. :dubious: [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alex_dubinsky-and-the-fatal-foreskin/370063.md?page=2)