# All conservatives on the "there's nothing to this Russia thing" train, come on down. (Shodan) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 4, 2018, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-conservatives-on-the-theres-nothing-to-this-russia-thing-train-come-on-down-shodan/808181 "2018-02-04T19:24:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2018, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-conservatives-on-the-theres-nothing-to-this-russia-thing-train-come-on-down-shodan/808181/1 "2018-02-04T19:24:37Z")
I originally wrote this post as a reply to Shodan in an elections thread but then deleted it to instead write it here: > [@Are these the basics of the "Memo" story?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-these-the-basics-of-the-memo-story/808054/64): > > > [@Are these the basics of the "Memo" story?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-these-the-basics-of-the-memo-story/808054/64): > > > > I understand what you are saying, but it is the opposite of true. The unsubstantiated dirt in this case was dug up by Democrats. > > Both sides are not the same in this instance - Democrats are the ones coordinating with the Russians. > > > > Regards, > > Shodan > > Wow, you’re in far deeper than even I would’ve guessed. Is this really the hill you want to die on? > > The democrats are concocting up a Russian conspiracy out of thin air because many of the obvious Russian agents Trump has surrounding him have been under surveillance for years even before they had anything to do with the Trump campaign? > > The fact that Trump consistently surrounds himself with people who are either suspiciously pro-Russia or confirmed to be on Russia’s payroll like Carter Page, Paul Manafort, Michael Flynn, and easily a dozen others that connect them to Putin? All a big democratic plot? > > The fact that Trump is willing to criticize our country endlessly and those of all our strongest allies - and not normal criticrism, I mean, the president really disrupting our relations with far more harsh terms than any other president would use - but the one thing he’s never, ever done was criticize Russia or Vladimir Putin? He’s been thrown softballs to give him a chance to criticize Putin and not blatantly suck his dick, like when he was asked if it was wrong to murder journalists opposed to you, and what he immediately did was to try to turn it around and insult America? “You think our hands are so clean?” - democrats are forcing this behavior. > > That the republicans hacked but the DNC and the RNC, but only released damaging information about the DNC, but released nothing about the RNC? I’m sure the Republicans just have never done anything wrong, not that he used that information to blackmail and control them. Russia would certainly never do anything like that. I wonder why Paul Ryan said that he was sure Putin pays Trump but that everyone has to sit on that information and never leak it because hey, we’re all a wholesome, loving family here. > > That he has an obvious history to having financial ties and money laundering to Putin and Russian Mafia interests? His son said before he was even running for office that they didn’t need anymore American banks because they got all the money they needed from Russia. He has a history of obvious money laundering deals to that end - like that $100m house he sold in Florida, the most expensive sale of a residence of all time - and the new owner just demolished the place and never lived there. Probably some sort of democratic scheme. > That he has done things like hold secret meetings with known Russian intelligence agents in the White House which were intended to be snuck in, where American journalists were banned and the normal recording and documentation processes were skipped? > > That Congress passed Russian sanctions something like 523-3 and Trump signed them himself against that veto-proof majority, and yet openly refuses to enforce them? > > That we know that he’s been revealing highly secret intelligence, including massively damaging information about ways and means, of our allies to the degree where our intelligence officials are asking foreign countries not to share their valuable intelligence with us because it’ll end up in Putin’s hands? > > And a dozen other obvious connections I could name. > > This is all a democratic plot to you? Something made up? Really, this is how far gone you are? > > I wonder what will happen when Mueller’s work is done, and he has wrapped this one up in an absolute air tight case with everything completely substantiated, what’s your move? “Oh Trump was never really a conservative, he just mind controlled everyone including myself, we can’t be held responsible for our unquestioning loyalty to him”? He was a democrat all along anyway! > > Or will you just go full blast “so what, Russia is the best thing ever and deserves to run our country” or what? Or will you just have a mental reckoning? I don’t see how the ultra-dedicated partisans are going to get themselves out of this one. But I bet they’ll find a way to think they were right all along, somehow, on this one. > > I would love to get everyone who thinks that all of these incredibly obvious Russian connections are just fake news to be on record about this. Anyone else want to step up to the plate and say there’s nothing to see here except some Democratic smear campaign? So, what I can say since this is the pit is that Shodan is a fucking cultist. He doesn’t even have any particular ties to Trump, as far as I know, he was never a big Trump supporter, but now that Trump represents His Holy Party, he will do anything for him. He’s willing to give up everything he is, in terms of intellect and principals - which, to be fair, is hardly anything - to a guy he probably knows on some level is a con man reality show host that happened to be born to a rich father and managed not to lose all of his inheritance in his lifetime. Because once you join The Party, The Holy Party of Jesus, you are beyond criticism, and anything anyone asserts that bad about you is a democratic plot. He sold his soul long ago to anything the Republican party wants and nothing can ever change his mind. He is a thoroughly brainwashed soldier in their army. But rather than hijack that thread, I’ve decided instead to give “conservative” posters here a place to declare that they think all of this Russia stuff is bullshit in one convenient place. So step right up, conservatives - show the purity of your convictions and the truth in your leadership, and tell us that there are no substantial connections between Trump and Russia, and that Putin does not control Trump, and that all this hubbub is just fake news. Alright, for further reading, to give a taste into how much democrats had to do to make all that shit up, including put Trump’s Russian friends under the surveillance of a republican-dominated FBI and CIA 4 or 5 years ago, here’s some [further reading](https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Byu4JTfdEpwqNVVaMkFVU0ZVT0E/view). It’s a collaborative community effort with organized links to other news sources which flesh out the issues. Well, and Trump tweets. It’s kind of amazing how many of those links are just Trump tweets incriminating himself. [Trump-Russia Timeline](http://billmoyers.com/story/trump-russia-timeline/) So, put your convictions on record - who else thinks the entirety of the Russia thing is just fake news? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2018, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-conservatives-on-the-theres-nothing-to-this-russia-thing-train-come-on-down-shodan/808181/2 "2018-02-04T19:35:22Z")
**All conservatives on the “there’s nothing to this Russia thing” train, come on down.** Will you be serving nothing burgers to go along with that “earth shattering” memo? 🙂 As much as I’m dying to see what Mueller has uncovered, there’s a certain amount of schadenfreude to be had by watching Trump et al squirm as they worry about what it’ going to be. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2018, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-conservatives-on-the-theres-nothing-to-this-russia-thing-train-come-on-down-shodan/808181/3 "2018-02-04T19:36:08Z")
Nothing Borscht. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2018, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-conservatives-on-the-theres-nothing-to-this-russia-thing-train-come-on-down-shodan/808181/4 "2018-02-04T19:41:57Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > **All conservatives on the “there’s nothing to this Russia thing” train, come on down.** > > Will you be serving nothing burgers to go along with that “earth shattering” memo? 🙂 > > As much as I’m dying to see what Mueller has uncovered, there’s a certain amount of schadenfreude to be had by watching Trump et al squirm as they worry about what it’ going to be. I would think that they know what it’s going to be. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2018, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-conservatives-on-the-theres-nothing-to-this-russia-thing-train-come-on-down-shodan/808181/5 "2018-02-04T20:20:04Z")
They admitted to having a meeting with Russian intelligence where they discussed both dirt on Hillary Clinton and Russian sanctions. If someone claims that the investigation is a hoax they’re a moron or a liar. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2018, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-conservatives-on-the-theres-nothing-to-this-russia-thing-train-come-on-down-shodan/808181/6 "2018-02-04T20:24:13Z")
They’re all stinking traitors, and at this point all their supporters and fanboys are stinking traitors too, as far as I’m concerned. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2018, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-conservatives-on-the-theres-nothing-to-this-russia-thing-train-come-on-down-shodan/808181/7 "2018-02-04T21:03:52Z")
Frothing-gay-Phlipps needs a hearty “Come on down!” too. He’s been writing hundreds of long paragraphs, tirelessly saying “You think there’s underhanded stuff going on, but it’s really nothing, trust me…” ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2018, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-conservatives-on-the-theres-nothing-to-this-russia-thing-train-come-on-down-shodan/808181/8 "2018-02-04T21:09:28Z")
Hey now, when the president attacks the FBI, the people there that he appointed, and the FISA court, that is a sure sign that There Is Nothing To See Here LOOK! CAR CRASH!! ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2018, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-conservatives-on-the-theres-nothing-to-this-russia-thing-train-come-on-down-shodan/808181/9 "2018-02-04T21:24:12Z")
No offense, but the thread you mention was one where we were discussing indications that Hillary and the Democrats were “colluding” with the Russians. Still, thanks for the invitations, but no thanks to the effort to change the subject/shift the burden of proof/declare something in advance of the evidence. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2018, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-conservatives-on-the-theres-nothing-to-this-russia-thing-train-come-on-down-shodan/808181/10 "2018-02-04T21:29:26Z")
Darn spellcheck! You meant “colliding”, didn’t you? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2018, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-conservatives-on-the-theres-nothing-to-this-russia-thing-train-come-on-down-shodan/808181/11 "2018-02-04T21:33:31Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > No offense, but the thread you mention was one where we were discussing indications that Hillary and the Democrats were “colluding” with the Russians. > > Still, thanks for the invitations, but no thanks to the effort to change the subject/shift the burden of proof/declare something in advance of the evidence. > > Regards, > Shodan So the same level of evidence that you reject in Trump’s case is proof positive in Clinton’s case. Fuck off, running coach ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2018, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-conservatives-on-the-theres-nothing-to-this-russia-thing-train-come-on-down-shodan/808181/12 "2018-02-04T21:42:12Z")
No one has changed the topic. Saying the Democrats “are the ones who” did something means you are saying that no one else did, so you are saying Trump didn’t. When we factually know he did, given the meeting. It also is untrue. The Democrats did not coordinate with the Russians. You are misusing the word “coordinate.” And you are doing so to try and conflate two very different issues. It’s still a defense of Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2018, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-conservatives-on-the-theres-nothing-to-this-russia-thing-train-come-on-down-shodan/808181/13 "2018-02-04T21:50:05Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > So the same level of evidence that you reject in Trump’s case is proof positive in Clinton’s case. > > Fuck off, > running coach Actually it’s the other way around. You believe Trump collusion has been proven based on the same level of evidence which, when presented about Hillary and the DNC, causes you to begin screaming and attempt to change the subject. I understand your issue - you are almost as dumb as **BigT** but more aware of being so. So you are doing the best you can, and it’s unfortunate that this is the best. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2018, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-conservatives-on-the-theres-nothing-to-this-russia-thing-train-come-on-down-shodan/808181/14 "2018-02-04T22:02:08Z")
Shodan is resonably intelligent and not a Trump fan. Even elected party loyalists seem to be fine with the Russia investigation. The fact that obviously Russian connected people were high ranking Trump advisors is indisputable. Add all that a together and there really is only one conclusion: Shodan is trolling the Libtards. Rather successfully istm. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2018, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-conservatives-on-the-theres-nothing-to-this-russia-thing-train-come-on-down-shodan/808181/15 "2018-02-04T22:03:30Z")
That’ll teach 'em! ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2018, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-conservatives-on-the-theres-nothing-to-this-russia-thing-train-come-on-down-shodan/808181/16 "2018-02-04T22:07:26Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > That’ll teach 'em! That’s the really funny part: no, it won’t. ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2018, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-conservatives-on-the-theres-nothing-to-this-russia-thing-train-come-on-down-shodan/808181/17 "2018-02-04T22:12:23Z")
> [@](#): > > Both sides are not the same in this instance - Democrats are the ones coordinating with the Russians. That statement logically implies that the Republicans are not coordinating with the Russians in this instance. **Shodan** , please clarify or correct the statement! ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2018, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-conservatives-on-the-theres-nothing-to-this-russia-thing-train-come-on-down-shodan/808181/18 "2018-02-04T22:18:01Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Actually it’s the other way around. You believe Trump collusion has been proven based on the same level of evidence which, when presented about Hillary and the DNC, causes you to begin screaming and attempt to change the subject. > > I understand your issue - you are almost as dumb as **BigT** but more aware of being so. So you are doing the best you can, and it’s unfortunate that this is the best. > > Regards, > Shodan Are you really dense enough to think that that is the case here? With trump, there are many verified and corroborated reports (sometimes by members of his own family) that his campaign had direct contact with russians with the intent to work with the russians on upsetting our elections. Russian influence in our social media has been proven. Russia meddled in our election:Fact. Trump’s team had direct contact with russians with the intent of getting them to meddle in the election: Fact. With the democrats, you do have a situation that if you are stupid enough, seems to be the same. What happened there is that the democratic party took over funding opposition research after the republicans stopped trying to stop trump themselves. Part of this opposition research turned up information that came through reputable, though foreign sources, making that info somewhat problematic to use in the campaign against trump, so they didn’t use it. So, you have one side who were in direct contact with the russians who were meddling in our election, and on the other, you have funding for opposition research that turned up some very damning information about trump, which they did not use. Yeah, if you are either stupid or convince yourself that you are stupid through motivated reasoning, you could come to the conclusion that what the democrats did was “worse”, but you just make yourself look like a partisan fucktard to anyone with the slightest bit of critical reasoning ability for parroting the soundbites that they feed you. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2018, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-conservatives-on-the-theres-nothing-to-this-russia-thing-train-come-on-down-shodan/808181/19 "2018-02-04T22:18:35Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > I would think that they know what it’s going to be. That’s the thing. They know everything they’ve done, but they don’t know how much Mueller knows. And by “done”, I don’t mean just those things related to the election, but all the financial shit going back years and years. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2018, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-conservatives-on-the-theres-nothing-to-this-russia-thing-train-come-on-down-shodan/808181/20 "2018-02-04T22:20:01Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Shodan is resonably intelligent and not a Trump fan. Even elected party loyalists seem to be fine with the Russia investigation. The fact that obviously Russian connected people were high ranking Trump advisors is indisputable. > > Add all that a together and there really is only one conclusion: Shodan is trolling the Libtards. Rather successfully istm. If he wants to troll here, then by all means. If you are accusing him of trolling in the other forums he is putting forth this nonsense, then you should report your suspicions to the moderating staff. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-conservatives-on-the-theres-nothing-to-this-russia-thing-train-come-on-down-shodan/808181.md?page=2)