# All conservatives on the "there's nothing to this Russia thing" train, come on down. (Shodan) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 4, 2018, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-conservatives-on-the-theres-nothing-to-this-russia-thing-train-come-on-down-shodan/808181 "2018-02-04T19:24:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2018, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-conservatives-on-the-theres-nothing-to-this-russia-thing-train-come-on-down-shodan/808181/21 "2018-02-04T22:41:48Z")
It’s no secret that our politics are at odds in most respects— nearly all of them, I would imagine. We don’t see eye-to-eye on things like media slant, or at least the direction it leans. I never took **Shodan** to be a fool, though. More of an opportunist. Someone who realizes deep down that Trump is an unqualified bozo who’s probably gotten up to some shady shit, but nonetheless heads the party, for better or worse, and even if he accomplishes little during his term, at least he’ll hold off the liberal/Democrat menace for another four years, maybe eight, and steer SCOTUS in the right direction, no pun intended. So when I read something like “Both sides are not the same in this instance - Democrats are the ones coordinating with the Russians,” at this moment in our history, I think he must be adopting the guise of a fool, for reasons that are unclear. It’s a glib remark from a Fox News commentator, or a Breitbart comment troll. A medium he bathes in, I’m sure, but I thought— hoped, maybe naively— didn’t penetrate all the way. It would be melodramatic to say I’m saddened, or even disappointed. Guess it’s just my bleeding heart trying to wring out one more drop. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2018, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-conservatives-on-the-theres-nothing-to-this-russia-thing-train-come-on-down-shodan/808181/22 "2018-02-04T23:01:15Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > …I never took **Shodan** to be a fool, though. More of an opportunist. … > So when I read something like “Both sides are not the same in this instance - Democrats are the ones coordinating with the Russians,” at this moment in our history, I think he must be adopting the guise of a fool, for reasons that are unclear. It’s a glib remark from a Fox News commentator, or a Breitbart comment troll. Or a schoolyard: the Trumpist right seems to have taken as its playbook that immortal chunk of 4th-grade wisdom: **I’m rubber You’re glue Stuff bounces off me And sticks to you!!!** It looks as though their best and only strategy is to just look at whatever horror Trump and his minions have perpetrated, erase the names, and write in ‘Hillary’ and ‘Obama’ and ‘Nancy Pelosi’. The right seems to be testing the theory that humans (progressives, in this case) can actually die of _disgust_. ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2018, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-conservatives-on-the-theres-nothing-to-this-russia-thing-train-come-on-down-shodan/808181/23 "2018-02-04T23:06:27Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > It’s no secret that our politics are at odds in most respects— nearly all of them, I would imagine. We don’t see eye-to-eye on things like media slant, or at least the direction it leans. I never took **Shodan** to be a fool, though. More of an opportunist. Someone who realizes deep down that Trump is an unqualified bozo who’s probably gotten up to some shady shit, but nonetheless heads the party, for better or worse, and even if he accomplishes little during his term, at least he’ll hold off the liberal/Democrat menace for another four years, maybe eight, and steer SCOTUS in the right direction, no pun intended. > > So when I read something like “Both sides are not the same in this instance - Democrats are the ones coordinating with the Russians,” at this moment in our history, I think he must be adopting the guise of a fool, for reasons that are unclear. It’s a glib remark from a Fox News commentator, or a Breitbart comment troll. A medium he bathes in, I’m sure, but I thought— hoped, maybe naively— didn’t penetrate all the way. > > It would be melodramatic to say I’m saddened, or even disappointed. Guess it’s just my bleeding heart trying to wring out one more drop. I feel your pain, brother. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2018, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-conservatives-on-the-theres-nothing-to-this-russia-thing-train-come-on-down-shodan/808181/24 "2018-02-04T23:13:26Z")
Most Democrats I know don’t worship the party and show a loyalty that overrides lies, contradictions and hypocrisy like all too many Republicans do. Shodan is drinking the kool-aid a bit hard if he honestly believes what he wrote here. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2018, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-conservatives-on-the-theres-nothing-to-this-russia-thing-train-come-on-down-shodan/808181/25 "2018-02-04T23:25:07Z")
> [@samclem](#): > > I feel your pain, brother. Still making this all about Clinton, I see! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2018, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-conservatives-on-the-theres-nothing-to-this-russia-thing-train-come-on-down-shodan/808181/26 "2018-02-04T23:48:05Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > If he wants to troll here, then by all means. > > If you are accusing him of trolling in the other forums he is putting forth this nonsense, then you should report your suspicions to the moderating staff. I don’t report suspicions on piddling shit. And what’s with the "if"s? Pretty sure I was rather clear. ---
**Author:** ![3trew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/3/13edae/32.png) [@3trew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/3trew)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2018, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-conservatives-on-the-theres-nothing-to-this-russia-thing-train-come-on-down-shodan/808181/27 "2018-02-05T00:16:07Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > If he wants to troll here, then by all means. > > If you are accusing him of trolling in the other forums he is putting forth this nonsense, then you should report your suspicions to the moderating staff. What’d be the fucking point? If he joined up now he wouldn’t last a month, but he’s apparently been here long enough to get tenure. Regards (you can probably guess which meaning I’m using) 3trew ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2018, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-conservatives-on-the-theres-nothing-to-this-russia-thing-train-come-on-down-shodan/808181/28 "2018-02-05T00:22:28Z")
> [@3trew](#): > > What’d be the fucking point? If he joined up now he wouldn’t last a month, but he’s apparently been here long enough to get tenure. > > Regards (you can probably guess which meaning I’m using) > > 3trew Oh bullshit It’s not tenure. He’s mouthing what a lot of Trumpists are thinking and the Dopers are desperate for someone to shout at over it. So he gets to outrage the libtards and they get to shout their outrage. Win-win. ---
**Author:** ![Yookeroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yookeroo/32/323_2.png) [@Yookeroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yookeroo)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2018, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-conservatives-on-the-theres-nothing-to-this-russia-thing-train-come-on-down-shodan/808181/29 "2018-02-05T03:44:05Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Shodan is resonably intelligent Wait…what?? ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2018, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-conservatives-on-the-theres-nothing-to-this-russia-thing-train-come-on-down-shodan/808181/30 "2018-02-05T03:54:36Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > I originally wrote this post as a reply to Shodan in an elections thread but then deleted it to instead write it here: > > So, what I can say since this is the pit is that Shodan is a fucking cultist. He doesn’t even have any particular ties to Trump, as far as I know, he was never a big Trump supporter, but now that Trump represents His Holy Party, he will do anything for him. He’s willing to give up everything he is, in terms of intellect and principals - which, to be fair, is hardly anything - to a guy he probably knows on some level is a con man reality show host that happened to be born to a rich father and managed not to lose all of his inheritance in his lifetime. Because once you join The Party, The Holy Party of Jesus, you are beyond criticism, and anything anyone asserts that bad about you is a democratic plot. He sold his soul long ago to anything the Republican party wants and nothing can ever change his mind. He is a thoroughly brainwashed soldier in their army. > > But rather than hijack that thread, I’ve decided instead to give “conservative” posters here a place to declare that they think all of this Russia stuff is bullshit in one convenient place. So step right up, conservatives - show the purity of your convictions and the truth in your leadership, and tell us that there are no substantial connections between Trump and Russia, and that Putin does not control Trump, and that all this hubbub is just fake news. > > Alright, for further reading, to give a taste into how much democrats had to do to make all that shit up, including put Trump’s Russian friends under the surveillance of a republican-dominated FBI and CIA 4 or 5 years ago, here’s some [further reading](https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Byu4JTfdEpwqNVVaMkFVU0ZVT0E/view). It’s a collaborative community effort with organized links to other news sources which flesh out the issues. Well, and Trump tweets. It’s kind of amazing how many of those links are just Trump tweets incriminating himself. > > [Trump-Russia Timeline](http://billmoyers.com/story/trump-russia-timeline/) > > So, put your convictions on record - who else thinks the entirety of the Russia thing is just fake news? Who cares? Hillary was just as bad. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2018, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-conservatives-on-the-theres-nothing-to-this-russia-thing-train-come-on-down-shodan/808181/31 "2018-02-05T04:15:26Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Oh bullshit It’s not tenure. He’s mouthing what a lot of Trumpists are thinking and the Dopers are desperate for someone to shout at over it. So he gets to outrage the libtards and they get to shout their outrage. Win-win. Shouting our outrage may not work very well, but murmuring our outrage doesn’t work at all. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2018, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-conservatives-on-the-theres-nothing-to-this-russia-thing-train-come-on-down-shodan/808181/32 "2018-02-05T05:36:28Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > :::snip::: Shodan is drinking the kool-aid a bit hard if he honestly believes what he wrote here. He doesn’t believe it. In fact he pretty much admitted as much earlier. He’s just trolling the liberals who haven’t learned to ignore him. I’m amazed at the number of people here, most of them long time posters, who bother to engage with partisan hacks like him and the Frothing Phop. Neither of them contribute anything worthwhile to the boards. Plus, they get tiny boners whenever they succeed at derailing a thread with their nonsense. ---
**Author:** ![chappachula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d2c977/32.png) [@chappachula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chappachula)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2018, 10:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-conservatives-on-the-theres-nothing-to-this-russia-thing-train-come-on-down-shodan/808181/33 "2018-02-05T10:16:39Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > With trump, there are many verified report… his campaign had direct contact with russians with the intent to work with the russians on **UPSETTING our elections.** Russian influence in our **social media** has been proven. A little off topic for this pit thread…but you just incriminated yourself here–big time. (Disclaimer…I hate Trump, too, and am not trying to justify him here.) But, my dear liberal friends, please learn to recognize what democracy means: there is a fair count of votes, and then the winner wins… _even if he’s not a liberal!!!_ That word “upset” which you used is more than just a Freudian slip…it really does reveal your mindset. And that scares me. Trump won the election. He used social media better than Hillary. And yes, he used Russian computer experts to help him with the social media stuff. Which ought to be illegal, just like, say, using too much money from illegal donations is illegal. But THE RUSSIANS DID NOT CHANGE THE RESULTS OF THE ELECTION. They did not “upset” the election. The American people voted freely and fairly. But you lefties keep complaining about the use of social media in the campaign… and that’s _much_ more scary than whatever the Russians did in their meetings with Trump. Because you are saying that Democracy is a bad idea. Your logic is that the people are too easily misled by social media,so they can’t be trusted. Because only a good liberal should be allowed to vote…the rest of the deplorables should be locked out of the process. I’d rather put up with Trump’s shenanigans with the Russians, before I’ll kneel to your elitism. You lost. Get over it. Now start working on wining the next election. You know, by using social media. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2018, 11:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-conservatives-on-the-theres-nothing-to-this-russia-thing-train-come-on-down-shodan/808181/34 "2018-02-05T11:12:26Z")
That post would be very convincing, had it not been lifted word-for-word from a troll farm in Minsk. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2018, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-conservatives-on-the-theres-nothing-to-this-russia-thing-train-come-on-down-shodan/808181/35 "2018-02-05T12:12:02Z")
I don’t think that anyone is saying that “only a good liberal should vote” or anything even remotely close to that. With the exception of you, of course. And I don’t necessarily think that the “deplorables” should be locked up. I think you’re running a little late. “The Wizard of Oz” doesn’t need your strawman. Nor do we. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2018, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-conservatives-on-the-theres-nothing-to-this-russia-thing-train-come-on-down-shodan/808181/36 "2018-02-05T14:10:01Z")
The “Trump won - get over it” chestnut is such a wrong assumption on what Anti-Trumpists (not all of whom are \ liberals) believe. They’re most concerned with the litany of crimes, influence peddling, and dealmaking with what conservatives had been labeling as enemies for decades and now can’t wait to collectively suck the cock of. But I guess paying attention to facts, demanding justice, and keeping track of Trump’s lies is liberal elitism and a bigger danger to this country than selling out to the enemy. Pissing off liberals is the best way to fix the good ol’ USA. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2018, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-conservatives-on-the-theres-nothing-to-this-russia-thing-train-come-on-down-shodan/808181/37 "2018-02-05T14:19:28Z")
> [@chappachula](#): > > A little off topic for this pit thread…but you just incriminated yourself here–big time. > (Disclaimer…I hate Trump, too, and am not trying to justify him here.) And yet you completely miss the point. ---
**Author:** ![Paranoid\_Randroid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/paranoid_randroid/32/18_2.png) [@Paranoid\_Randroid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paranoid_Randroid)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2018, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-conservatives-on-the-theres-nothing-to-this-russia-thing-train-come-on-down-shodan/808181/38 "2018-02-05T14:52:31Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Who cares? > > Hillary was just as bad. I can’t tell if you’re being serious. Weren’t you the one wringing your hands about how rampant both-sides-ism has caused mistrust in government that will lead in turn to authoritarian rule, requiring widespread violent demonstrations to remedy? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2018, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-conservatives-on-the-theres-nothing-to-this-russia-thing-train-come-on-down-shodan/808181/39 "2018-02-05T15:00:13Z")
> [@Paranoid\_Randroid](#): > > I can’t tell if you’re being serious… Make sure your doctor does a full batter of tests on your sarcasm detector at your next checkup. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2018, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-conservatives-on-the-theres-nothing-to-this-russia-thing-train-come-on-down-shodan/808181/40 "2018-02-05T15:08:31Z")
I’m not sure why so many people are so invested in this issue. What do you think is going to come of this? Do you think the Mueller investigation is going to uncover treason or something? That Trump promised the Russians something that they have yet to deliver on? Or is it more likely to uncover some sort of communication between Russia and the Trump campaign where the Russians say “Hey we have dirt on the Hilliary campaign that points to cheating by Hillary with the help of the DNC and DNC operatives during the Democratic primary” and the Trump campaign says “cool, give it to me” Or do you think it was more like “Hey we have dirt on the Hilliary campaign that points to cheating by Hillary with the help of the DNC and DNC operatives during the Democratic primary. **And we’ll give it to you if you commit treason**.” And the Trump campaign says “cool, give it to me”? I mean if the Democrats try to hang Trump for exposing Hillary as a cheater, its not going to do much to harm Trump and its going to make them look stupid. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-conservatives-on-the-theres-nothing-to-this-russia-thing-train-come-on-down-shodan/808181.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-conservatives-on-the-theres-nothing-to-this-russia-thing-train-come-on-down-shodan/808181.md?page=3)