# All conservatives on the "there's nothing to this Russia thing" train, come on down. (Shodan) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 4, 2018, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-conservatives-on-the-theres-nothing-to-this-russia-thing-train-come-on-down-shodan/808181 "2018-02-04T19:24:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-conservatives-on-the-theres-nothing-to-this-russia-thing-train-come-on-down-shodan/808181/81 "2018-02-06T17:58:15Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > The board has a good handful of reasonable, intelligent conservatives–Bricker, Sam Stone, HurricaneDitka, Ultravires, Velocity, and others Don’t confuse \*articulate \*with _reasonable_. If you see doctrinairism or rationalization or gotcha attempts or mere partisan cheerleading, those are no more reasonable or thoughtful for having been stated in complete sentences. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-conservatives-on-the-theres-nothing-to-this-russia-thing-train-come-on-down-shodan/808181/82 "2018-02-06T17:58:54Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > We know how you get off dude, fapping to Rush Limbaugh. Really? Rush Limbaugh? Lol. This is like a satirical lefty jab from 1997. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-conservatives-on-the-theres-nothing-to-this-russia-thing-train-come-on-down-shodan/808181/83 "2018-02-06T18:00:52Z")
I think he meant Hannity. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-conservatives-on-the-theres-nothing-to-this-russia-thing-train-come-on-down-shodan/808181/84 "2018-02-06T18:08:57Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > I really don’t think that is how these things are done. It’s akin to those movie deals between gangsters, where one party says “Well, I should would like it if Guido was dead”, and the other one says “Well, we should would like charges dropped by that judge you pay off.” Next thing you know, Guido is dead and the charges are dropped. No promises. No written deals or witnesses to an actual agreement. Just a couple people saying things they sure would like to happen. That’s how these things work. Same with lobbyists and politicians. So no real proof but you’re pretty sure that it was treason, with a wink and a nod? > [@](#): > > And I’m not sure you can say there is nothing that Trump has delivered on. He’s refused to enact sanctions. He’s tried his darndest to stop the investigation. He’s normalized Putin. Trump has clearly acted in a pro-Russia was as president. I doubt it’s a coincidence. Just like I doubt the need for members of Trump’s administration to lie to the FBI over and over about their ties to Russia wasn’t to hide anything at all. > > That’s not really the issue is it? I know you have your Hillary filter on, but do you really think the investigation is only about finding out how Hillary “cheated”? Or could it be more about members of the Trump campaign/administration lying to the FBI about discussing sanctions with Russian intelligence. Or maybe members of the Trump campaign lying about their financial and political ties to Russia, laundering money, and conspiring against the US. You’re going to get him impeached on people in his administration lying? If lying as going to hurt Trump, be would be dead already. > [@](#): > > Personally, I don’t think there is much of chance of a smoking gun about an illegal deal between Russia and Trump, but to handwave the entire investigation away is just silly. I also think that the best thing Mueller and his team could do is follow the money. If there is nothing there then why wouldn’t you had wave it way? It sounds like a fishing expedition. A pretext to use the Russia thing (that you don’t think will actually turn up anything like what has been implied by some) to look for unrelated stuff. Perhaps the Foreign corrupt practices act for the bribes he inevitably gave to oligarchs to get projects completed. Stuff like that. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-conservatives-on-the-theres-nothing-to-this-russia-thing-train-come-on-down-shodan/808181/85 "2018-02-06T18:11:52Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > No, Hillary vs Bernie has fuck-all to do with the Mueller probe. “Exposing Hillary as a cheater”??? Throw another straw man in the way why don’t you. Hillary is in the past. She’s gone. She can’t hurt you any more. > > I agree the Trump Tower convo with the Russians most probably went nowhere. Point is, Kushner and co. were attracted to the bait of Hillary dirt, and their willingness to benefit from Russian skullduggery is just the tip of the iceberg. I highly doubt the Russians brought up the subject of treason, but even if they did, it obviously didn’t register. What did you think the Russians wanted to talk about, borscht futures? What do you think the genesis of the “Russia tampered with out election” comes from? I though at least part of it was Russian hackers hacking DNC and Hillary campaign emails to uncover incriminating evidence of Hillary and the DNC colluding and cheating to thwart Bernie. Sure, he didn’t look like he had much of a chance but then again, neither did Obama. So what if Kushner was attracted to Russian promises of dirt on Hillary. What do you think they will uncover? Because unless its clear and convincing evidence of collusion against the national interests of the United States like when Nixon colluded with the Viet Cong to prevent peace until after the election or Reagan’s negotiations with the Iranians to hold onto the hostages until after the election, how do you see this playing out if it turns out that he DIDN’T collude with the Russians against the interests of the USA? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-conservatives-on-the-theres-nothing-to-this-russia-thing-train-come-on-down-shodan/808181/86 "2018-02-06T18:15:52Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > Nothing so blatant. Probably more like this. > > Putin in (2013): Hey, Mr. Trump your reputation as a great business man proceeds you. I understand you are in some need of investment capital. I have some friends who have some money that they are having a hard time investing. Maybe I can make some introductions, set up some low interest loans, maybe buy a few or your unused properties? Things like that. > > Trump: Sure sounds great lets work together. > > Putin in 2015: Hey Trump old pal, I hear your thinking of running for president. Sounds like a great idea. Let me know if there is anything I can do to help. Also, if you are looking for people to work on your campaign, I’ve got a few names for you. They’re our kind of people > > Trump: Thanks of the list I’ll look it over. > > Putin 2016: Looks like the campaign is going well! Can you do your pal Vlad a favor? Remember those friends I introduced you to a few years ago, well these sanctions are really making it hard for them to do business. Also Obama’s wanting to sell weapons to those Ukrainian Coup fighters. Any chance you can throw your weight around a bit and help us out? We’d be very grateful > > Trump: Sure, my party is just about to draft a platform. I’ll take care of it then. > > Putin later 2016: Sorry we can’t release the 30,000 deleted emails like you asked, unfortunately we don’t have them. But we’ll do what we can to help out. We got some dirt on Hillary if you want it, all you have to do is to help us get out from under the Magnitsky Act. > > Trump: Awesome show us what you got. > > Putin At various times in 2016: Here’s the message we’re pushing out on the interwebs, you might want to highlight it in your next speech. Love, Vlad > > Trump: Super will do. > > Putin November 2106: Congratulations on your win! Now you and I can really work together for mutual benefit. Forget about boasting your billionaire status, try the word trillionaire on for size. Now I know you’re kind of new to this whole governing thing so let me give you some pointers. First, you need to discredit or dispose of all oppositional media. Next … WOW!!! If Putin had the foresight to invest that much in Trump in 2013 and groom him to become President of the United States of America that far back, we should all elect him monarch of the world, he’s going to get there whether we elect him or not so we might as well pretend it was our idea. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-conservatives-on-the-theres-nothing-to-this-russia-thing-train-come-on-down-shodan/808181/87 "2018-02-06T18:16:52Z")
> [@CurtC](#): > > We pretty much already have that; I hope Mueller is trying to figure out who all in the Trump campaign participated in it. Cite that Mueller has uncovered treason. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-conservatives-on-the-theres-nothing-to-this-russia-thing-train-come-on-down-shodan/808181/88 "2018-02-06T18:25:01Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > I’m amused you’re reducing the whole thing to this. > > Don’t you think it’s awfully coincidental that amidst evidence that Russians funneled millions (if not billions) of ill-gotten gains into Trump’s businesses, we still have yet to see something as simple as his tax returns? I mean, you’d think that having such a dastardly ugly rumor hanging over your head would compel you to promptly dispel it. But Trump acts like he is unable to do so. Odd. The absence of evidence is in f itself evidence!!! Amirite? :rolleyes: What Russians millions if not billions of ill-gotten gains into Trump’s businesses? > [@](#): > > At the same time, the Trump White House is crawling with Russian agents…but what? Is that nothing but coincidence too? I think there is a lot of confusion about the difference between being a Russian agent and talking to Russians. There might be one person in his administration that might arguably be a Russian agent but even that is a stretch. > [@](#): > > He just happens to surround himself with people openly interested in advancing pro-Russian policies, to such an extent that they’ve come under surveillance by the FBI, and that is supposed to make us think Putin _isn’t_ leveraging Trump to get what he wants? Okay. Where is your evidence? So far all I see is a lot of investigation into how the Russians interfered with the election by hacking the DNC emails and letting everyone know that the DNC and Hillary cheated. > [@](#): > > But then why is Trump and the other Republicans so hot and bothered by this investigation? If Mueller is just going down dead-end rabbit holes, why isn’t Trump content to just let himwaste his time? Why release a memo that is about as weak and saggy as a three-day old balloon, and proclaim that it vindicates you when 1) the subject of the memo presumably has nothing to do with Trump and 2) the memo itself establishes that the Russian investigation into Trump’s campaign started before the dossier came to light? Why is he trying so hard to trash the FBI as partisan, when it’s notoriously populated by Republicans? Because he is not clean and he doesn’t want to get impeached because he had sex with a porn star, bribed government officials in every country with a vowel in its name and lied and cheated for most of his life. Remember how Bill Clinton got impeached for lying about a blowjob during an investigation into a real estate deal? > [@](#): > > And then the sanctions against Russia that Trump refuses to impose. Like, does Article 2 of the Constitution mean anything now? What.the.Fuck? > > It’s almost as if he’s doing Putin’s bidding right in front of us, not even hiding it. And yet folks up here still thinking this is just about the election. :sigh: Why would he do anything for Putin? ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-conservatives-on-the-theres-nothing-to-this-russia-thing-train-come-on-down-shodan/808181/89 "2018-02-06T18:35:36Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > WOW!!! > > If Putin had the foresight to invest that much in Trump in 2013 and groom him to become President of the United States of America that far back, we should all elect him monarch of the world, he’s going to get there whether we elect him or not so we might as well pretend it was our idea. Not to speak for **Buck Godot** , but if you’d actually bothered to read the post you responded to, it was pretty clear that it outlined a scenario where Putin got involved with Trump initially (i.e., in 2013) as a way to launder money. You really are bad at comprehending shit, aren’t you? Maybe forms of communication that require you to comprehend the written word just aren’t your cup of tea? Radio might be more your speed. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-conservatives-on-the-theres-nothing-to-this-russia-thing-train-come-on-down-shodan/808181/90 "2018-02-06T19:19:23Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > If Putin had the foresight to invest that much in Trump in 2013 and groom him to become President of the United States of America that far back, we should all elect him monarch of the world, he’s going to get there whether we elect him or not so we might as well pretend it was our idea. My bet’s still on **WillFarnaby** to win the “Dumbest Post in Thread” award, because it’s tough to beat the master, but you are definitely giving him a run for his money. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-conservatives-on-the-theres-nothing-to-this-russia-thing-train-come-on-down-shodan/808181/91 "2018-02-06T19:27:29Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > I have been reading his posts for nearly two decades now, and I’ve seen signs neither of reason nor intelligence. The board has a good handful of reasonable, intelligent conservatives–Bricker, Sam Stone, HurricaneDitka, Ultravires, Velocity, and others bring something substantive to conversations, even when I disagree vehemently with them. > > Shodan? He engages in snarky one-liners that demonstrate a thorough lack of understanding of issues (go read the thread about education that UrbanRedneck started to see a hilariously inept response to litcrit). He never, NEVER contributes substance to a debate. > > I mean, if your standard of “reasonably intelligent” is “smarter than Clothahump,” then Shodan passes that test. But so does my laundry basket. Speaking as someone who would be described as a liberal anywhere south of Maryland, the intelligence of the long time conservatives on this board is noticeably higher than the long time liberals on this board. This board is a fairly hostile environment for anyone that is conservative and only the strong survive. We might have a 95% attrition rate of stupid conservative posters within a year. Stupid liberal posters have a much easier time. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-conservatives-on-the-theres-nothing-to-this-russia-thing-train-come-on-down-shodan/808181/92 "2018-02-06T19:30:26Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > So no real proof but you’re pretty sure that it was treason, with a wink and a nod? Didn’t say that. But, yeah, that’s how these things are done. Do you imagine they had lawyers draw up a contract? Maybe videotape the meeting and the agreements? > [@Damuri](#): > > You’re going to get him impeached on people in his administration lying? If lying as going to hurt Trump, be would be dead already. Didn’t say that either. But they lied to the FBI, maybe to Congress and under oath too. I know lying is like breathing to Trump and many of his kind, but it’s kinda why some of those guys are under indictment. You don’t see the problem with lying to the FBI? > [@Damuri](#): > > If there is nothing there then why wouldn’t you had wave it way? And, for the third time, didn’t say that. I think you have some kind of bizarre filter where you can’t read what I actually posted and respond to that, but instead just create something out of whole cloth. Maybe we could call it Trumpslexia or Ajashi Reading Disorder. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-conservatives-on-the-theres-nothing-to-this-russia-thing-train-come-on-down-shodan/808181/93 "2018-02-06T19:37:13Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Not to speak for **Buck Godot** , but if you’d actually bothered to read the post you responded to, it was pretty clear that it outlined a scenario where Putin got involved with Trump initially (i.e., in 2013) as a way to launder money. Why would Putin need to launder money? What conspiracy theory have you bought into this time? > [@](#): > > You really are bad at comprehending shit, aren’t you? Maybe forms of communication that require you to comprehend the written word just aren’t your cup of tea? Radio might be more your speed. ROFLMAO. This coming from you?!?!?! LOL ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-conservatives-on-the-theres-nothing-to-this-russia-thing-train-come-on-down-shodan/808181/94 "2018-02-06T19:38:06Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Why would Putin need to launder money? Oh dear. It’s worse than we thought. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-conservatives-on-the-theres-nothing-to-this-russia-thing-train-come-on-down-shodan/808181/95 "2018-02-06T19:38:15Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Speaking as someone who would be described as a liberal anywhere south of Maryland, the intelligence of the long time conservatives on this board is noticeably higher than the long time liberals on this board. This board is a fairly hostile environment for anyone that is conservative and only the strong survive. We might have a 95% attrition rate of stupid conservative posters within a year. Stupid liberal posters have a much easier time. You speak from experience, Captain Comprehension. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-conservatives-on-the-theres-nothing-to-this-russia-thing-train-come-on-down-shodan/808181/96 "2018-02-06T19:39:56Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > ROFLMAO. This coming from you?!?!?! LOL Yes, it did come from me. You wouldn’t have needed to ask if you had just read (and comprehended!) my name attached to my post. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-conservatives-on-the-theres-nothing-to-this-russia-thing-train-come-on-down-shodan/808181/97 "2018-02-06T19:41:08Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > My bet’s still on **WillFarnaby** to win the “Dumbest Post in Thread” award, because it’s tough to beat the master, but you are definitely giving him a run for his money. That’s a very convincing argument. The levels of prescience you are attributing to Putin is almost as hilarious as the “ready for Hillary” folks who want to pretend that Trump was a political juggernaut that couldn’t be stopped, not even by someone as awesome as Hillary. Fucking hilarious. Just because Putin is smarter than Trump doesn’t mean he owns him. And after you burn up all the liberal credibility on this goddam fishing expedition in Russia, none is going to listen to you when you say “AHA!!! This time I have actual evidence before spinning a long shot narrative (that I hope lasts long enough to get us through the next election)!!!” ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-conservatives-on-the-theres-nothing-to-this-russia-thing-train-come-on-down-shodan/808181/98 "2018-02-06T19:46:33Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > WOW!!! > > If Putin had the foresight to invest that much in Trump in 2013 and groom him to become President of the United States of America that far back, we should all elect him monarch of the world, he’s going to get there whether we elect him or not so we might as well pretend it was our idea. Not that **Buck Godot** can’t fight his own battles, but which section in the following, exactly, are you saying has something to do with grooming Trump for the Presidency? “Hey, Mr. Trump your reputation as a great business man proceeds you. I understand you are in some need of investment capital. I have some friends who have some money that they are having a hard time investing. Maybe I can make some introductions, set up some low interest loans, maybe buy a few or your unused properties? Things like that.” :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-conservatives-on-the-theres-nothing-to-this-russia-thing-train-come-on-down-shodan/808181/99 "2018-02-06T19:48:40Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > I mean, if your standard of “reasonably intelligent” is “smarter than Clothahump,” then Shodan passes that test. But so does my laundry basket. Clean or dirty? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-conservatives-on-the-theres-nothing-to-this-russia-thing-train-come-on-down-shodan/808181/100 "2018-02-06T19:52:38Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > Didn’t say that. But, yeah, that’s how these things are done. Do you imagine they had lawyers draw up a contract? Well, treason usually requires a treasonous act. A wink a nod doesn’t usually qualify. > [@](#): > > Didn’t say that either. If you’re nt trying to get him impeached or anything like that, then WTF is the point again? What exactly are you tying to achieve (I ask for the second time in this thread) > [@](#): > > But they lied to the FBI, maybe to Congress and under oath too. I know lying is like breathing to Trump and many of his kind, but it’s kinda why some of those guys are under indictment. You don’t see the problem with lying to the FBI? Under indictment for lying not for anything thy actually did other than the lying part. You’re going to hang them with lying under oath? Good luck with that. > [@](#): > > And, for the third time, didn’t say that. I think you have some kind of bizarre filter where you can’t read what I actually posted and respond to that, but instead just create something out of whole cloth. Maybe we could call it Trumpslexia or Ajashi Reading Disorder. I think its mostly the result of you writing as if you are reaching a conclusion but then turn around and say “I never actually said that” If you didn’t actually mean to say that there isn’t anything there, then what do you think is there? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-conservatives-on-the-theres-nothing-to-this-russia-thing-train-come-on-down-shodan/808181.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-conservatives-on-the-theres-nothing-to-this-russia-thing-train-come-on-down-shodan/808181.md?page=6)