# All European descended people are really black **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 22, 2009, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-european-descended-people-are-really-black/522221 "2009-12-22T18:11:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Fake\_Tales\_of\_San\_Francisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8491ac/32.png) [@Fake\_Tales\_of\_San\_Francisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fake_Tales_of_San_Francisco)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2009, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-european-descended-people-are-really-black/522221/21 "2009-12-22T21:38:04Z")
He sounds like he’s a member of [these guys](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKYvDn095Ew). ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2009, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-european-descended-people-are-really-black/522221/22 "2009-12-22T21:45:43Z")
> [@A Monkey With a Gun](#): > > **Edmond Codried** is far worse than some newbie. He’s a troll of the worst order. One of the ones I think of as a “bomb”. > > I was curious as to where he got the user name so I googled it. Then I clicked on “Blue Blood is Black Blood 1500-1789 – Egmond Codfried – Rasta Livewire” and got a _shitload_ of malware. > > Here is the link for the google search: [Google Search](http://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&channel=s&hl=en&source=hp&q=edmond+codfried&btnG=Google+Search) I had originally searched for his site after I first read his thread AND before seeing this one. AND I clicked on it and had to shutdown Firefox. Should I run Adaware and a virus scan now, just in case? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2009, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-european-descended-people-are-really-black/522221/23 "2009-12-22T22:01:12Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > I had originally searched for his site after I first read his thread AND before seeing this one. AND I clicked on it and had to shutdown Firefox. Should I run Adaware and a virus scan now, just in case? > 😕 Question: what did you see that made you shut down firefox? I run firefox, but I cut the wireless connection before I shut firefox down, and I think that should have saved me. Before that, though, I saw small windows with three letter messages that were trying to pop up and run programs. What did you see? Also, running adaware is never a bad idea. ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2009, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-european-descended-people-are-really-black/522221/24 "2009-12-22T22:07:42Z")
That guy makes Obama birthers, 9-11 truthers, and moon landing hoaxers look downright scholarly. ---
**Author:** ![tacoloco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2009, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-european-descended-people-are-really-black/522221/25 "2009-12-22T22:19:36Z")
The fucker even posted to [stormfront.org](http://stormfront.org). ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2009, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-european-descended-people-are-really-black/522221/26 "2009-12-22T22:20:35Z")
I remember about 10 years ago someone I vaguely knew from a BBS started up a web site dedicated to the idea that many of the East Coast Native American Tribes were actually Kingdoms founded by African Explorers centuries before the Europeans got involved (and subsequently intentionally destroyed all evidence of these advanced African nations). Grew quite irrational and angry when I asked him for any sort of objective proof of these claims. ---
**Author:** ![Nzinga\_Seated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5ac83/32.png) [@Nzinga\_Seated](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nzinga_Seated)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2009, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-european-descended-people-are-really-black/522221/27 "2009-12-22T22:22:03Z")
All I know is he brings out the funny in a lot of posters. I hope he sticks around. ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2009, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-european-descended-people-are-really-black/522221/28 "2009-12-22T22:24:37Z")
> [@tacoloco](#): > > The fucker even posted to [stormfront.org](http://stormfront.org). I bet that went well. ---
**Author:** ![Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimmy_Gibbler)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2009, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-european-descended-people-are-really-black/522221/29 "2009-12-22T22:34:39Z")
> [@A Monkey With a Gun](#): > > **Edmond Codried** is far worse than some newbie. He’s a troll of the worst order. One of the ones I think of as a “bomb”. > > I was curious as to where he got the user name so I googled it. Then I clicked on “Blue Blood is Black Blood 1500-1789 – Egmond Codfried – Rasta Livewire” and got a _shitload_ of malware. > > Here is the link for the google search: [Google Search](http://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&channel=s&hl=en&source=hp&q=edmond+codfried&btnG=Google+Search) > > It’s OK to click on the above, but do NOT click on the first result. It is also interesting that the second result for the name “Edmond Codfried” reads “Edmond Codfried’s suspension” from a site named [thestudyofracialism.org](http://thestudyofracialism.org). Apparently, the guy has been around. > > I am going to report this asshole and have his ass banned. You do NOT use this board to push malware. ZOMG, guys… SOMEONE HAS UNUSUAL IDEAS ON THE INTERNET AND ARE SPREADING THEM TO THE SDMB!! GO TO DEFCON ONE. THIS IS NOT A DRILL. REPEAT: GO TO DEFCON ONE. THIS IS NOT A DRILL. > [@Guinastasia](#): > > I had originally searched for his site after I first read his thread AND before seeing this one. AND I clicked on it and had to shutdown Firefox. Should I run Adaware and a virus scan now, just in case? > 😕 You should probably quarantine your computer from the internet for _at least_ 30 days. I know this will be particularly rough for you, **Guinastasia** , but an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Maybe you could use this time to investigate that “outside” your parents talk about when they think you are out of earshot. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2009, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-european-descended-people-are-really-black/522221/30 "2009-12-22T22:41:28Z")
**Kimmy** , how about you click on our friend’s “Blue Blood is Black Blood 1500-1789” page and report back. —rest of post deleted, I’m curious to see if **Kimmy** actually does it------ ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2009, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-european-descended-people-are-really-black/522221/31 "2009-12-22T22:44:49Z")
> [@Duke\_of\_Rat](#): > > I bet that went well. I’d give a donation to the charity of choice of the person who provides that link. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2009, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-european-descended-people-are-really-black/522221/32 "2009-12-22T22:46:33Z")
> [@A Monkey With a Gun](#): > > **Kimmy** , how about you click on our friend’s “Blue Blood is Black Blood 1500-1789” page and report back. > —rest of post deleted, I’m curious to see if **Kimmy** actually does it------ Obviously the reason for all this malware associated with his research, is that someone is trying to hide the truth! ---
**Author:** ![Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimmy_Gibbler)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2009, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-european-descended-people-are-really-black/522221/33 "2009-12-22T23:01:20Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > I’d give a donation to the charity of choice of the person who provides that link. www [dot] stormfront [dot] org/forum/showthread.php?t=634479 Charity selected: Dept. of African-American Studies, Temple University, c/o Prof. Molefi Kete Asante. ---
**Author:** ![Superfluous\_Parentheses](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8edcca/32.png) [@Superfluous\_Parentheses](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superfluous_Parentheses)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2009, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-european-descended-people-are-really-black/522221/34 "2009-12-22T23:04:02Z")
> [@gang\_green](#): > > No, no. Since his best evidence is from woodcuts, it can therefore be proven that portraits are actually \*negatives \*of what was actually seen. And since albinos can’t see color properly, they couldn’t see the nobility unless it was painted white. It wasn’t until photography was invented that people’s eyes started seeing things like we do today. > > OMG, it’s a conspiracy! No no no. White people actually _are_ oompa loompas. It’s just that we’re not used to seeing orange people so we cannot see them as orange. I know it’s true because something like that was in that well-regarded and well-spelled scientific documentary **what the @_&^#_ do we (k)now?!**. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2009, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-european-descended-people-are-really-black/522221/35 "2009-12-22T23:10:01Z")
You guys are forgetting one simple concept. Online, people often pretend to be other people. If a poster by this name has created as much trouble as we think, it stands to reason that someone else may copy his name to further discredit him. Remember that restaurant girl who **TALKED** like **THIS**? The biggest reason I suspect this is that, with the Google link provided, you’ll notice that E **g** mond Codfried is the most common spelling of the guy’s name. Also, whoever found the bad site needs to report it at [http://www.google.com/safebrowsing/report\_badware/](http://www.google.com/safebrowsing/report_badware/) . After it is verified by the guys at [stopbadware.com](http://stopbadware.com), it will be blacklisted on Google (you know, with that warning “This site may harm your computer”), and Firefox will put up a warning if you try and navigate there. All attack sites should be reported. I’m not sure why Google doesn’t make it easier to pull off. I may consider checking this out in a VM later. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2009, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-european-descended-people-are-really-black/522221/36 "2009-12-22T23:13:31Z")
> [@A Monkey With a Gun](#): > > Question: what did you see that made you shut down firefox? I run firefox, but I cut the wireless connection before I shut firefox down, and I think that should have saved me. Before that, though, I saw small windows with three letter messages that were trying to pop up and run programs. What did you see? > > Also, running adaware is never a bad idea. Basically it kept tellling me that I had a virus, and I had to click so I could run a scan and it was dangerous – BUT, it wasn’t my McAfee telling me that. It was the pop-ups from the website, and I couldn’t close the damned things, so I ended up having to just close FireFox alltogether. It wasn’t what I saw so much as that the pop-ups wouldn’t stop coming. So I just said “fuck it” and shut it down to get the fucking things to stop. Fucking pop-ups. :mad: BUT, if as **A Monkey With a Gun** is correct, and it’s full of malaware, I don’t need that shit on my computer. Goddamned assmunch. Not you, our good friend **Egmond**. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2009, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-european-descended-people-are-really-black/522221/37 "2009-12-22T23:19:59Z")
BTW, you can read his site with out the pop-up bombs if you click “cached.” ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2009, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-european-descended-people-are-really-black/522221/38 "2009-12-22T23:20:52Z")
> [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](#): > > www [dot] stormfront [dot] org/forum/showthread.php?t=634479 > > Charity selected: Dept. of African-American Studies, Temple University, c/o Prof. Molefi Kete Asante. Damn, I feel gypped. There wasn’t a scrap of comedic value in that thread! Will a dollar do? ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2009, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-european-descended-people-are-really-black/522221/39 "2009-12-22T23:20:54Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > You guys are forgetting one simple concept. Online, people often pretend to be other people. If a poster by this name has created as much trouble as we think, it stands to reason that someone else may copy his name to further discredit him. Remember that restaurant girl who **TALKED** like **THIS**? So ? Whether the guy is an honest to god kook, or a troll pretending to be a kook doesn’t really matter on our end of the screen, does it ? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2009, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-european-descended-people-are-really-black/522221/40 "2009-12-22T23:29:02Z")
> [@A Monkey With a Gun](#): > > It’s OK to click on the above, but do NOT click on the first result. I brought this to the attention of the other mods after you reported the post. I leave it in the hands of people who know more about this stuff than I do. > [@](#): > > It is also interesting that the second result for the name “Edmond Codfried” reads “Edmond Codfried’s suspension” from a site named [thestudyofracialism.org](http://thestudyofracialism.org). Apparently, the guy has been around. It looks like he was suspended from that site for starting a thread, making counterfactual claims, and not responding quickly enough. While almost everything he has said on this board is counterfactual (i.e. _completely wrong_), you can’t accuse him of not responding. Some of his responses have been evasive and he’s done a horrible job of supporting his arguments but we’re not as hardline as Study of Racialism about requiring people to respond in a certain way. > [@BigT](#): > > The biggest reason I suspect this is that, with the Google link provided, you’ll notice that E **g** mond Codfried is the most common spelling of the guy’s name. He’s posting here as **Egmond Codfried** , not Edmond. > [@Guinastasia](#): > > Basically it kept tellling me that I had a virus, and I had to click so I could run a scan and it was dangerous – BUT, it wasn’t my McAfee telling me that. It was the pop-ups from the website, and I couldn’t close the damned things, so I ended up having to just close FireFox alltogether. > > It wasn’t what I saw so much as that the pop-ups wouldn’t stop coming. So I just said “fuck it” and shut it down to get the fucking things to stop. Fucking pop-ups. If this problem continues I’d go to [malwarebytes.org](http://malwarebytes.org) and download and use their progam. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-european-descended-people-are-really-black/522221.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-european-descended-people-are-really-black/522221.md?page=3)