# All Four Forces of Physics United
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-four-forces-of-physics-united/784289
**Category:** In My Humble Opinion
**Created:** [April 12, 2017, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-four-forces-of-physics-united/784289 "2017-04-12T04:17:43Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@MANTRAPHILTER](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MANTRAPHILTER)
#### Post date: [April 13, 2017, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-four-forces-of-physics-united/784289/61 "2017-04-13T04:38:14Z")
Waller in the south means pigs rolling in mud. my dad is from Oklahoma, I have some redneck running through my veins. Why focus on petty language barriers.
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### Author:  [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)
#### Post date: [April 13, 2017, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-four-forces-of-physics-united/784289/62 "2017-04-13T04:42:33Z")
> [@MANTRAPHILTER](#):
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> Waller in the south means pigs rolling in mud. my dad is from Oklahoma, I have some redneck running through my veins. Why focus on petty language barriers.
It is still spelled “wallow” regardless of how rednecky you pronounce it. If your language use is a barrier then you can’t communicate your ideas effectively. Then how can you convince anyone of your new physics?
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### Author:  [@MANTRAPHILTER](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MANTRAPHILTER)
#### Post date: [April 13, 2017, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-four-forces-of-physics-united/784289/63 "2017-04-13T04:45:55Z")
> [@wolfpup](#):
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> I’m so glad to hear that, because I can offer more for your basking enjoyment just based on that one comment alone:
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> [ul]
> [li]“Waller” is not a word, at least, not in any language that I speak. You might have meant “wallow”, but it’s hard to know as the entirety of the thing is essentially incomprehensible.[/li]
> [li]“Spoon-fed” needs to be hyphenated because the two words together function as a compound adjective.[/li]
> [li]“Ivy League” is conventionally capitalized because it functions as a proper name denoting a specific group of American universities.[/li]
> [li]“Egotistical” may be acceptable in some circles, but the simpler “egotistic” is preferred and is the only form noted in some dictionaries.[/li][/ul]
> Also, the statement in its entirely doesn’t actually mean anything, except maybe to say that education is bad, and the more you have of it, the badder it is, because then one is tempted to dismiss the sorts of observations cited in your original post, the one so tragically lacking in paragraph breaks.
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> Sorry, that’s all the derogatory stuff I have for now, but please waller in it to your heart’s content.
Education - good, blinded by ego from education - bad
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### Author:  [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)
#### Post date: [April 13, 2017, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-four-forces-of-physics-united/784289/64 "2017-04-13T04:55:52Z")
> [@MANTRAPHILTER](#):
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> Waller in the south means pigs rolling in mud. my dad is from Oklahoma, I have some redneck running through my veins. Why focus on petty language barriers.
Oh, that wasn’t the focus. It was just an amusing aside that paralleled your expressed disdain at “spoon fed ivy league egotistical education”. The main point still stands, to wit that you’ve neither demonstrated a gap in the predictive accuracy of Einstein relativity nor a way that your speculation would somehow bridge this crevice of gravitation theory. And mind you, any physicist educated in the modern theory of gravitation will admit that we don’t really understand what spacetime is and why gravity occurs other than as an aspect of the geometry of spacetime described by the Riemann tensor, but your “explanation” does not advance our understanding or description in any meaningful way, and introduces arguments that are demonstrably false.
Stranger
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### Author:  [@MANTRAPHILTER](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MANTRAPHILTER)
#### Post date: [April 13, 2017, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-four-forces-of-physics-united/784289/65 "2017-04-13T05:11:50Z")
I’ve been thinking about star fields at the edge of the event horizon of a black hole, and what would happen to light as it enters the displaced space. The wave of light would have to expand rapidly into the relative space.
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### Author:  [@MANTRAPHILTER](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MANTRAPHILTER)
#### Post date: [April 13, 2017, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-four-forces-of-physics-united/784289/66 "2017-04-13T05:22:01Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#):
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> Oh, that wasn’t the focus. It was just an amusing aside that paralleled your expressed disdain at “spoon fed ivy league egotistical education”. The main point still stands, to wit that you’ve neither demonstrated a gap in the predictive accuracy of Einstein relativity nor a way that your speculation would somehow bridge this crevice of gravitation theory. And mind you, any physicist educated in the modern theory of gravitation will admit that we don’t really understand what spacetime is and why gravity occurs other than as an aspect of the geometry of spacetime described by the Riemann tensor, but your “explanation” does not advance our understanding or description in any meaningful way, and introduces arguments that are demonstrably false.
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> Stranger
I thought the problem with Einstein’s theory was that it did not work at the quantum level.
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### Author:  [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)
#### Post date: [April 13, 2017, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-four-forces-of-physics-united/784289/67 "2017-04-13T05:27:56Z")
> [@MANTRAPHILTER](#):
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> I have some redneck running through my veins.
You seem to have all sorts of things running through your veins.
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### Author:  [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)
#### Post date: [April 13, 2017, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-four-forces-of-physics-united/784289/68 "2017-04-13T05:34:44Z")
> [@MANTRAPHILTER](#):
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> I thought the problem with Einstein’s theory was that it did not work at the quantum level.
And your quote-theory-unquote does?
Stranger
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### Author:  [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)
#### Post date: [April 13, 2017, 11:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-four-forces-of-physics-united/784289/69 "2017-04-13T11:08:56Z")
> [@wolfpup](#):
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> I was aware that “Waller” referred to two notable proper names, the one you mention, and also that of Edmund Waller, the 17th century royalist.
You know, when I saw “waller” I thought that there was someone named Fitzwaller or nicknamed “Fitz” Waller, possibly an author, possibly the author of _The Bridges of Madison County_. But Googling for Fitz Waller came up only with somebody named Fitzwalter, who was associated with the Magna Carta. SoaT’s mention of “Fats” Waller cleared up where I had heard that phrase. But you mention on the two Wallers made me head to Google again, and yes, _The Bridges of Madison County_ was written by a Waller–Robert James Waller. Not sure if he was spoon-fed ivy leaves or whatever, though.
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### Author:  [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)
#### Post date: [April 13, 2017, 11:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-four-forces-of-physics-united/784289/70 "2017-04-13T11:14:41Z")
> [@panache45](#):
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> You seem to have all sorts of things running through your veins.
Hey, don’t be ableist! “Redneck running through my veins” is a rare but documented subset of [delusional parasitosis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusional_parasitosis)!
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### Author:  [@constanze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/constanze)
#### Post date: [April 13, 2017, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-four-forces-of-physics-united/784289/71 "2017-04-13T11:23:54Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#):
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> The term is “wallow”, which anyone a “spoon fed ivy league egotistical education” would know, as would a simpleton with a mere fork-fed land grant state university educated engineer such as myself. To “waller” refers to the stride style of piano playing popularized by Harlem jazz pianist Thomas Wright ‘Fats’ Waller.
Actually, a Waller can also be a fish [Europäischer Wels – Wikipedia](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europ%C3%A4ischer_Wels) (depending on the language - from small whale), which lives in stale water so maybe that was the refence?
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### Author:  [@The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Stainless_Steel_Rat)
#### Post date: [April 13, 2017, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-four-forces-of-physics-united/784289/72 "2017-04-13T12:15:40Z")
[quote=“wolfpup, post:57, topic:784289”]
[li]“Waller” is not a word, at least, not in any language that I speak. You might have meant “wallow”, but it’s hard to know as the entirety of the thing is essentially incomprehensible.[/li][/QUOTE]
To add to the already impressive compendium of (proper) uses of waller, the Science Fiction author David Weber employs the term to describe his Superdreadnought warships, or “ships of the wall.”
Which are about as logical as anything the OP has contributed…and at least they conform to the current laws of physics for the most part.
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### Author:  [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)
#### Post date: [April 13, 2017, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-four-forces-of-physics-united/784289/73 "2017-04-13T12:26:38Z")
Enough of the petty insults.
I’ve asked the man to provide a formula that describes or predicts something, anything. Physics is math, not arm-waving. If one can’t calculate, one is just guessing. I’ve also asked him to post his stuff for reasoned analysis.
So far I’ve had no response to these requests for substance. We shall see.
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### Author:  [@Kzbre5m](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kzbre5m)
#### Post date: [April 13, 2017, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-four-forces-of-physics-united/784289/74 "2017-04-13T12:35:10Z")
> [@MANTRAPHILTER](#):
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> I have diagrams that the post would not let me enter in post. …
The modern version of Fermat’s quote:
> [@](#):
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> I have discovered a truly remarkable proof of this theorem which this margin is too small to contain.
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### Author:  [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)
#### Post date: [April 13, 2017, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-four-forces-of-physics-united/784289/75 "2017-04-13T12:49:04Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#):
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> Enough of the petty insults.
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> I’ve asked the man to provide a formula that describes or predicts something, anything. Physics is math, not arm-waving. If one can’t calculate, one is just guessing. I’ve also asked him to post his stuff for reasoned analysis.
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> So far I’ve had no response to these requests for substance. We shall see.
Over at Science Forums, he says:
[QUOTE=MANTRAPHILTER elsewhere]
there has to be some formula for the strength of the vacuum of space and the difference of the conditions at the planet surface, and the mass of the planet. I am not a mathematician so I have a hard time putting it together in the right order. lets use s for surface vacuum and v for space vacuum, U for universe and of course m for mass. something like s-v x m =u or maybe the other way around, S x V / M = U, I’m not sure.
I think it would be S / V x M = U, surface divided by vacuum times mass equals universe?
[/QUOTE]
and
[QUOTE=MANTRAPHILTER elsewhere]
I believe this is the simple explanation that describes all of the forces. You do not have to believe it. I am not a mathematician, I can not come up with the mathematical formulas to prove it, this is no reason to discredit it. Maybe somebody who is better at math than I, will.
[/QUOTE]
So now let’s get back to the petty insults.
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### Author:  [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)
#### Post date: [April 13, 2017, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-four-forces-of-physics-united/784289/76 "2017-04-13T12:58:58Z")
> [@MANTRAPHILTER](#):
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> I thought the problem with Einstein’s theory was that it did not work at the quantum level.
The problem with Einstein’s theory is that it causes inflationary pressure on college tuition … because the more you spend to send your kids to Princeton, the more impressed the relatives are, in general …
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### Author:  [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)
#### Post date: [April 13, 2017, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-four-forces-of-physics-united/784289/77 "2017-04-13T13:15:01Z")
> [@MANTRAPHILTER](#):
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> I would rather bask in derogatory comments than waller in spoon fed ivy league egotistical education any day.
You’ve certainly come to the right spot.
Regards,
Shodan
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### Author:  [@The\_King\_of\_Soup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_King_of_Soup)
#### Post date: [April 13, 2017, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-four-forces-of-physics-united/784289/78 "2017-04-13T13:34:41Z")
If we ever get a unified theory, I believe that it will come to someone in a [dream](https://www.famousscientists.org/7-great-examples-of-scientific-discoveries-made-in-dreams/). But if that dream happens to a non-scientist, who can’t wake up and translate that dream into mathematics, the results are likely to be abstract art at best and gibberish at worst. If _Romeo and Juliet_ had been delivered into the dreams of an illiterate bricklayer, what might we make of the wall he then built?
The good news is that I have discovered three words in the OP’s thesis such that, if each is replaced with a certain other word (of coincidentally the same number of letters as the one it replaces), you end up with a complete, demonstrable unified field theory. So there’s that.
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### Author:  [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)
#### Post date: [April 13, 2017, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-four-forces-of-physics-united/784289/79 "2017-04-13T14:10:02Z")
> [@MANTRAPHILTER](#):
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> Education - good, blinded by ego from education - bad
How does one determine whether somebody is simply educated versus blinded by ego from education? Is it whether they believe you’re on to something or not?
I think you’ll find that many, if not most, decent scientists are more than willing and likely excited to hear about a new and exciting hypothesis. However, they generally expect some kind of decent and rational explanation. When you can provide that maybe you’ll be better received.
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### Author:  [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)
#### Post date: [April 13, 2017, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-four-forces-of-physics-united/784289/80 "2017-04-13T14:16:14Z")
> [@BeepKillBeep](#):
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> How does one determine whether somebody is simply educated versus blinded by ego from education? Is it whether they believe you’re on to something or not?
They know how to do math. If they can do math to show why your hypothesis is not even wrong, they’re obviously an egghead who is out to discredit your super-genius ideas.
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