# All Four Forces of Physics United
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-four-forces-of-physics-united/784289
**Category:** In My Humble Opinion
**Created:** [April 12, 2017, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-four-forces-of-physics-united/784289 "2017-04-12T04:17:43Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
**Page:** 9
### Author:  [@naita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/naita)
#### Post date: [May 11, 2017, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-four-forces-of-physics-united/784289/161 "2017-05-11T12:16:10Z")
> [@MANTRAPHILTER](#):
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> this was copied over from the original paper and this forum did not show it in the original way it is written, or any of the illustrations. So it reads like nonsense and the theory does not get conveyed well at all.
It reads like nonsense in the original as well. Here’s a simple question for you:
Newton’s model of gravity predicts the speed required for a satellite (natural or man made) to orbit at a specific distance from a body. Einstein’s theories refine this to explain some observed discrepancies. How does your theory explain the _exact_ behaviour of orbiting bodies?
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### Author:  [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)
#### Post date: [May 11, 2017, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-four-forces-of-physics-united/784289/162 "2017-05-11T12:16:58Z")
> [@MANTRAPHILTER](#):
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> the moon also displaces its own space and occupies a point in the displaced space of the earth which occupies a point in the displaced space of the sun. All three displaced spaces overlap at the distance the moon orbits the earth and create a zone of space greater that the moon travels in.
So can we condense your theory into “Displaced Space is where it’s at”? It’s a lot quicker to read than the OP.
MANTRAPHILTER, you have a great future writing ad copy for alternative medicine. Or is that your day job already?
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### Author:  [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)
#### Post date: [May 11, 2017, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-four-forces-of-physics-united/784289/163 "2017-05-11T12:25:00Z")
OK - isn’t it about time we stop indulging a clearly…different…individual?
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### Author:  [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)
#### Post date: [May 11, 2017, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-four-forces-of-physics-united/784289/164 "2017-05-11T12:28:54Z")
> [@MANTRAPHILTER](#):
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> If I were to meet you in person do not ask me to shake your hand, I know where your thumb has been.
Better than my head.
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### Author:  [@MANTRAPHILTER](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MANTRAPHILTER)
#### Post date: [May 11, 2017, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-four-forces-of-physics-united/784289/165 "2017-05-11T13:03:12Z")
> [@naita](#):
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> It reads like nonsense in the original as well. Here’s a simple question for you:
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> Newton’s model of gravity predicts the speed required for a satellite (natural or man made) to orbit at a specific distance from a body. Einstein’s theories refine this to explain some observed discrepancies. How does your theory explain the _exact_ behaviour of orbiting bodies?
you’ll have to define what you mean by exact behavior of orbiting bodies because if you mean mathematical equations, they can only give a close estimate due to the relativity factor.
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### Author:  [@MANTRAPHILTER](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MANTRAPHILTER)
#### Post date: [May 11, 2017, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-four-forces-of-physics-united/784289/166 "2017-05-11T13:04:31Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#):
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> Better than my head.
so you must know what that feels like also in order to be able to compare the two sensations.
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### Author:  [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)
#### Post date: [May 11, 2017, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-four-forces-of-physics-united/784289/167 "2017-05-11T13:32:17Z")
> [@MANTRAPHILTER](#):
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> the moon also displaces its own space and occupies a point in the displaced space of the earth which occupies a point in the displaced space of the sun. All three displaced spaces overlap at the distance the moon orbits the earth and create a zone of space greater that the moon travels in.
When you said that gravity ends where the vacuum of space begins, am I right in thinking you are using a different definition of ‘vacuum’ from the one that we commonly use on my planet?
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### Author:  [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)
#### Post date: [May 11, 2017, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-four-forces-of-physics-united/784289/168 "2017-05-11T13:32:49Z")
> [@MANTRAPHILTER](#):
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> If you haven’t read the finished version of the theory you probably will not understand it. the theory explains why gravity appears so much weaker than the strong nuclear force. why energy is quantized. why we can’t see inside a black hole, and how electrons can be wave or particle. The theory also explains what is holding together the recently discover tetra neutron at the france hadron collider.
You avoided answering my question. I’ll rephrase.
Has your hypothesis been peer reviewed and results corroborated by a recognized scientific journal or body?
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### Author:  [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)
#### Post date: [May 11, 2017, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-four-forces-of-physics-united/784289/169 "2017-05-11T13:37:49Z")
> [@naita](#):
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> It reads like nonsense in the original as well. Here’s a simple question for you:
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> Newton’s model of gravity predicts the speed required for a satellite (natural or man made) to orbit at a specific distance from a body. Einstein’s theories refine this to explain some observed discrepancies. How does your theory explain the _exact_ behaviour of orbiting bodies?
> [@MANTRAPHILTER](#):
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> you’ll have to define what you mean by exact behavior of orbiting bodies because if you mean mathematical equations, they can only give a close estimate due to the relativity factor.
Did you even read what **naita** wrote? I’ve highlighted the bit that your response fails to take into account.
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### Author:  [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)
#### Post date: [May 11, 2017, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-four-forces-of-physics-united/784289/170 "2017-05-11T13:46:36Z")
So matter creates areas of denser luminous aether? Now it all makes sense.
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### Author:  [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)
#### Post date: [May 11, 2017, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-four-forces-of-physics-united/784289/171 "2017-05-11T13:47:52Z")
> [@Mangetout](#):
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> How is the moon still here?
He has diagrams that explain that.
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### Author:  [@MANTRAPHILTER](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MANTRAPHILTER)
#### Post date: [May 11, 2017, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-four-forces-of-physics-united/784289/172 "2017-05-11T14:11:03Z")
> [@Mangetout](#):
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> When you said that gravity ends where the vacuum of space begins, am I right in thinking you are using a different definition of ‘vacuum’ from the one that we commonly use on my planet?
my definition of the vacuum of space that exists around our planets displaced space is the less space from the photographic negative effect of the suns displaced space. how strong that vacuum is, is relative to the displaced space you are exiting.
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### Author:  [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)
#### Post date: [May 11, 2017, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-four-forces-of-physics-united/784289/173 "2017-05-11T14:17:45Z")
> [@MANTRAPHILTER](#):
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> my definition of the vacuum of space that exists around our planets displaced space is the less space from the photographic negative effect of the suns displaced space. how strong that vacuum is, is relative to the displaced space you are exiting.
wat?
p.s. Nature abhors vacuuming.
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### Author:  [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)
#### Post date: [May 11, 2017, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-four-forces-of-physics-united/784289/174 "2017-05-11T15:17:12Z")
> [@MANTRAPHILTER](#):
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> my definition of the vacuum of space that exists around our planets displaced space is the less space from the photographic negative effect of the suns displaced space. how strong that vacuum is, is relative to the displaced space you are exiting.
Are there any other well-established terms you would like to redefine for us?
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### Author:  [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)
#### Post date: [May 11, 2017, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-four-forces-of-physics-united/784289/175 "2017-05-11T15:25:14Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#):
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> He has diagrams that explain that.
Do you know [who else had diagrams that explained things](http://www.raindance.org/wp-content/uploads/1913-December-18-Rube-Goldberg-machine-cartoon-beer-bottle-opener-e1437731973985-780x400.jpg)?
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### Author:  [@MANTRAPHILTER](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MANTRAPHILTER)
#### Post date: [May 11, 2017, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-four-forces-of-physics-united/784289/176 "2017-05-11T15:27:10Z")
> [@Mangetout](#):
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> Did you even read what **naita** wrote? I’ve highlighted the bit that your response fails to take into account.
the energy from the sun enters the displaced space of a planet/moon whatever. charges the surface that faces the sun while the negative uncharged side is attracted to the positive charge of the sun. This creates rotation. The planet does not move into the less space that exists farther out from its own displaced space. and is pushed away by the positive charged surface but the negative side is still attracted. Rotation through magnetism.
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### Author:  [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)
#### Post date: [May 11, 2017, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-four-forces-of-physics-united/784289/177 "2017-05-11T15:27:38Z")
> [@zoid](#):
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> OK - isn’t it about time we stop indulging a clearly…different…individual?
Hard to be true to our charter here if we quit fighting just because ignorance is fighting back…:mad:
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### Author:  [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)
#### Post date: [May 11, 2017, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-four-forces-of-physics-united/784289/178 "2017-05-11T15:29:17Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#):
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> Are there any other well-established terms you would like to redefine for us?
Well, there are the rules of apostrophe use and capitalization…
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### Author:  [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)
#### Post date: [May 11, 2017, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-four-forces-of-physics-united/784289/179 "2017-05-11T15:31:33Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#):
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> wat?
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> p.s. Nature abhors vacuuming.
Vacuums are not loud because there is no sound in a vacuum, so all the sounds in the room try to hide in your ear from the vacuum at the same time, making it seem as if the vacuum itself is loud.
I have diagrams if needed.
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### Author:  [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)
#### Post date: [May 11, 2017, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-four-forces-of-physics-united/784289/180 "2017-05-11T15:32:11Z")
> [@MANTRAPHILTER](#):
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> the energy from the sun enters the displaced space of a planet/moon whatever. charges the surface that faces the sun while the negative uncharged side is attracted to the positive charge of the sun. This creates rotation. The planet does not move into the less space that exists farther out from its own displaced space. and is pushed away by the positive charged surface but the negative side is still attracted. Rotation through magnetism.
[A (somewhat) related post](https://what-if.xkcd.com/140/) from Randal Monroe.
(ETA: add “inertia” and “angular momentum” to the list of things the OP doesn’t understand.)
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