# All-Male Fox Panel Freaks Out About Female Breadwinners **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 30, 2013, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-male-fox-panel-freaks-out-about-female-breadwinners/659744 "2013-05-30T20:34:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![April\_R](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3da27b/32.png) [@April\_R](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/April_R)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-male-fox-panel-freaks-out-about-female-breadwinners/659744/61 "2013-05-31T20:34:56Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > I knew your husband was in school, but not that it was pharmacy! How much longer does he have, and what are the job prospects like in your area? > > When I was a pharmacist, I worked with many women who made more money than their husbands, and guess how many times I heard one of them say their husband had an issue with that? > > NEVER. > > The comments in the OP are a total slap in the face for single moms, and especially widows. :mad: > > And really, does anyone think it’s healthy for kids if the mom stays home (and I do mean that literally, with no outside interests) and dad’s working two full time jobs or views her as a live-in babysitter? Trust me, it isn’t. He graduates in May 2014. He wants to do clinical pharmacy because he was in retail for 6 years and had enough. We have St Jude, Baptist, St. Francis, Methodist/Lebonheur, and The VA here in Memphis so his prospects are great. We plan on staying here at least a yr after he graduates so he can do his residency then I want to move close to Nashville, which also has plenty of renowned hospitals ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-male-fox-panel-freaks-out-about-female-breadwinners/659744/62 "2013-05-31T20:46:25Z")
Megan Kelly of Fox News came in and read those dudes the riot act. [http://thinkprogress.org/media/2013/05/31/2086611/megyn-kelly-erick-erickson/](http://thinkprogress.org/media/2013/05/31/2086611/megyn-kelly-erick-erickson/) ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-male-fox-panel-freaks-out-about-female-breadwinners/659744/63 "2013-05-31T21:31:53Z")
> [@hotflungwok](#): > > Hey Piddle Gum, Outside The BBQ Pit, do not mangle posters’ usernames with the intention of mocking them. Knock it off. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-male-fox-panel-freaks-out-about-female-breadwinners/659744/64 "2013-05-31T21:35:27Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > …There was once a time when married women’s paychecks were sometimes issued in their husbands’ names. :eek: Ask some senior citizens about this some time. IIRC after Frances Perkins (first female cabinet member) was appointed Secretary of Labor there was depend in Congress over whether her paychecks should read Perkins or Wilson (her husband’s name). And yes at one time a man was legally entitled to his wife’s wages; it was part of the doctrine of coverture (whereby upon marriage a man & woman become one legal person & that person is the husband). Married Women’s Property Acts were necessary to override the common law on that. Ironically the first in the us was passed in _Mississippi_ of all places. > [@Engineer\_Dude](#): > > I used to believe in strongly divided, traditional roles in marriages. Until my Grandpa died, and the next week Grandma was telling me how she learned how to pump gas for the first time (at age 64). My grandmother used to laugh at women who couldn’t pump their own gas (not that she didn’t make him pump if if the was traveling with a man or boy). Of course she and grandpa did own a general store with gas pumps. She was also the local postmistress (a job she beat out my grandfather despite him being a veteran). ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-male-fox-panel-freaks-out-about-female-breadwinners/659744/65 "2013-05-31T22:33:51Z")
> [@April\_R](#): > > He graduates in May 2014. He wants to do clinical pharmacy because he was in retail for 6 years and had enough. We have St Jude, Baptist, St. Francis, Methodist/Lebonheur, and The VA here in Memphis so his prospects are great. We plan on staying here at least a yr after he graduates so he can do his residency then I want to move close to Nashville, which also has plenty of renowned hospitals Was he a pharmacist, a technician, or some other kind of retail person? And have you had that baby yet? ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-male-fox-panel-freaks-out-about-female-breadwinners/659744/66 "2013-05-31T22:36:22Z")
> [@Engineer\_Dude](#): > > I used to believe in strongly divided, traditional roles in marriages. Until my Grandpa died, and the next week Grandma was telling me how she learned how to pump gas for the first time (at age 64). I know a woman whose mother died very suddenly, and her father did not know how to heat a can of soup on the stove, pay a bill, run the vacuum, make a peanut butter sandwich, etc. He had never had to do any of those things! She’s said many times that if anyone hears or reads this and thinks her father is a bad person, they’re mistaken. ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-male-fox-panel-freaks-out-about-female-breadwinners/659744/67 "2013-05-31T23:52:28Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > And have you had that baby yet? pssst…never ask a very, very pregnant woman that. They’re liable to throw something at your head. 😉 [No, she hasn’t.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=689679&page=5) ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2013, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-male-fox-panel-freaks-out-about-female-breadwinners/659744/68 "2013-06-01T01:20:34Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > When I first met and started dating my gf, I always grabbed every check. I knew she was in “advertising” and stupidly assumed she was a secretary of some sort. I find this funny on a certain level, because my last “secretary of some sort” job I had I was earning twice as much a year as the average American man and I could to afford to fly airplanes as a hobby. Yes, it was a high-level secretarial job but I still made damn good wages, as high level secretaries can and do. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2013, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-male-fox-panel-freaks-out-about-female-breadwinners/659744/69 "2013-06-01T01:35:00Z")
> [@puddleglum](#): > > Single parenthood is the real problem and over 60% of the female breadwinners fall into this category. I don’t think this is a cultural problem and it is not going to go away. It can be ameliorated by smart policing and education policies but single parenthood will always be a problem. If single parenthood is on the rise and you’ll agree mothers are more likely to care for children in a split relationship wouldn’t you be happy their incomes are rising? How do you feel women earning less would serve society as a whole? > [@puddleglum](#): > > What I am concerned about it a bifurcation of mores along class lines. Those at the top will adjust continue marrying people with high incomes and sometimes the wife will earn more and sometimes the husband will and it will be no big deal. At the bottom, because the bell curve for men is flatter than women in terms of skills and marketability, women will have less incentive to get married and will be more likely to have children out of wedlock. You think the cost benefit analysis _persuades_ single women to get pregnant and THEN find a husband? ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2013, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-male-fox-panel-freaks-out-about-female-breadwinners/659744/70 "2013-06-01T01:40:31Z")
And for particular effect: “because the bell curve for men is flatter than women in terms of skills and marketability,” :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![April\_R](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3da27b/32.png) [@April\_R](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/April_R)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2013, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-male-fox-panel-freaks-out-about-female-breadwinners/659744/71 "2013-06-01T01:40:40Z")
* * * > [@nearwildheaven](#): > > Was he a pharmacist, a technician, or some other kind of retail person? > > And have you had that baby yet? He was a tech then a pharmacy intern for Walgreens. And what **Whynot** said. Lol. My due date is tomorrow but nada baby as of yet ---
**Author:** ![Renee\_RL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7c8e57/32.png) [@Renee\_RL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Renee_RL)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-male-fox-panel-freaks-out-about-female-breadwinners/659744/72 "2013-06-04T02:58:14Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > I hope he says this to a lioness. She’ll rip his throat out. > Anyhow, if an all male panel is good enough for Republicans to testify about reproductive choice it is good enough for Fox. I agree with them, male animals dominate because they are stronger. Human males are also stronger therefore I think men should do the physical labor and fight wars and leave women to nurture,.,the country ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-male-fox-panel-freaks-out-about-female-breadwinners/659744/73 "2013-06-04T05:56:42Z")
> [@Human\_Action](#): > > While this may well be true, the “bad” part of it is likely husbands who can’t handle not being the primary breadwinner, not the wife bringing home more money. But, dammit, that’s the proper order of nature! In any decent family, the woman is **supposed** to be the primary breadwinner! That’s why God gave her two strong feet, and two high heels, and her man a strong pimp hand and a sharp switchblade! You can’t interfere with the family as God the Godfather ordained it! ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-male-fox-panel-freaks-out-about-female-breadwinners/659744/74 "2013-06-04T06:13:23Z")
The panelists are right though that in most species the female drives the kids to school, cooks, and cleans the home, while the males perform roles such as IT consultancy. ---
**Author:** ![Gedd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gedd/32/4938_2.png) [@Gedd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gedd)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-male-fox-panel-freaks-out-about-female-breadwinners/659744/75 "2013-06-04T18:00:33Z")
Ha! My wife _was_ the breadwinner, but now I am! (Only because she quit her job to go back to school to get her second Master’s degree and she will most likely make more than me again as soon as she’s done with school). ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-male-fox-panel-freaks-out-about-female-breadwinners/659744/76 "2013-06-04T22:01:21Z")
> [@puddleglum](#): > > Hot Fling Wok . . . I missed this, earlier, but you will also refrain from mangling usernames outside The BBQ Pit. [/Moderating] [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-male-fox-panel-freaks-out-about-female-breadwinners/659744.md?page=3)