I’d say all those courses help with the increase complexities of the workplace and advancements in medicine. I gave an example of one program, I can pull up examples from others, some with more variations, but the idea is the same.
Also, what they are requiring is very basic biology, chemistry, and anatomy. I went to UF, I know many of the science courses they mention for them are of the “science for non-science” type. Basic enough for them to understand some things they are exposed at their jobs, but nowhere near the complex courses a pre-med or future science graduate student would take.
I’ve also checked the nursing curriculum at LSU (my other school), and it is even more nursing classes, with just one year of general studies.
Also, most of those nursing classes are “hands-on”, meaning they are probably dealing with patients while still students (so it is not just 4 years of classroom training).
Not really. The prerequisites to get into a 2 year program are good for a year or 2. I have a 4 year ASN, I did anatomy, physiology, chem, math and microbiology as well as all the GE requirements before I hit a nursing class.
I know someone who had a BS in <something other than Nursing> and was doing a nursing program leading to RN certification. This is in the US. I think the program would give them a second bachelor’s degree - a full BSN, but I may have been wrong and that the students were expected to get hired with their existing bachelor’s and their RN certification.
There are accelerated programs to grant a BSN to someone who already has another bachelor’s degree. It is usually approximately two years, of mostly straight nursing classes. They’re assuming most of the other basics (basic chem, english, math, biology) was covered in the original bachelor’s. UF (and LSU) have descriptions of those in their webpages.
Well, if it’ll make y’all feel better, there’s actually a lot of serious talk right now about making a bachelor’s degree the minimum requirement for being a preschool teacher.
But what is point ? Nurses are not doctors they cannot diagnose patients or prescribe medication. What new role will they be taking on?
Has for the teacher comment well you can be educated but very dumb or lack the skills to teach.
I have known some physicists and math teachers in school that know their stuff so well but don’t have skills to teach or can’t dumb it down enough to explain 4 grade math .
So many teens in high school struggle to understand what the teacher is trying to teach.
Knowing some thing and explaining it is two different things.
But you have to understand the role of nursing they cannot diagnose patients or prescribe medication so role is going to be limited.And it does NOT matter if nurses , biology major , some one who has PHD in biology and chemistry or chemist or pharmacist that know 100% yes you need penicillin you are sick ( even if look under the microscope and see it and know what they are looking at) they cannot prescribe medication they can go JAIL.
The ASN program is 2 years, but all the pre-reqs to get in take even longer and you have to take them before you get into the program. So it likely will take 3-5 years to get an associates degree in nursing.
I ‘think’ a bachelor degree only requires the regular 4 years, not sure. And I think the LPN degree can be done in a year. But the ASN is a very misleading title for a nursing degree. With most associate degrees you take 60 hours and are done in 2 years. With a nursing ASN you take a year or two of pre-reqs, then apply to get into the nursing program then start your 2 year ASN. The total time is much longer than 2 years.
In many places a nurse practitioner can prescribe, within their area of expertise. It is typically more limit in scope then a physician. A family medicine RNP can prescribe antibiotics for someone with a deep cut, or tamiflu for an at risk person showing flu signs.
They are also able to order tests. If you come in with a knee twisted the wrong way they can send you to an MRI without waiting for the doctor. Which is what it is all about, not requiring a doctor of which there are so few.
They really want to push nurses in that direction by trying to get the starting point for nursing a BSN.
It helps ease the problems of a PCP shortage, and takes care of the other nursing problem. Every hospital reports a shortage of nurses. But there is high unemployment in nursing as well among the newly trained. The risks are just so high everybody only wants to take experienced nurses. And they hope more training helps ease that problem as well.
Sorry, PCP are Doctors. It stands for Primary care Physicians they require a MD or DO, typically internal medicine, family practice, or Pediatrics specialties. For most HMO type programs they are the gate keeper to medical care. With an HMO, Other than an emergency, every thing you want health insurance to cover most go through them first, and either be done by them, or referred from them. But there aren’t enough doctors who want that job any more and it is projected to become a crisis at some point. So they are hoping to train nurses to family practice nurse practitioner levels so that they can become the the gate keeper, first contact people for routine medical care.
The problem is with the unemployed newly trained nurses. There has been an investment from them and in them, and places really don’t want many of them, even with the nurse shortage. With higher requirements they hope there will be fewer people caught in the medium position, and all new nurses will be employable in the future.
Well, there’s your motivation: get it done so you’re grandfathered in. Besides, if you can get enough sleep and juggle the rest of your life while doing it, it shouldn’t be TOO hard for someone with your experience. The clinicals were the rough part for me. I would guess you’re comfortable in a hospital setting by now, so not as big a jump as it would be for someone new - just a few more duties and responsibilities
If I understand you have general doctor the family doctor / ER doctor this is 10 years of school than specialist or surgeon this is other 5 years of school on top of the basic level making 15 years in all.
A RN is only 4 years of school.They still have nurse assistant that one year of school that just takes patients for work , to bathroom ,help them in or out of bed, help feed them , change clothes or bedding and is most basic of nurse.The not so nice work that nurse want to do .
I think you are thinking of more advance nurse that give needles and order tests. .
There first has to be an understanding of the role a nurse plays, and that has definitely changed over time. Anecdotally, there was an article a few years ago about a girl who was in the hospital to have her appendix removed something like 50 or so years before. The story mentioned that she had been there a week and was bored, so she followed the nurses on their rounds. Today, that is not the patient you would find in the hospital. She would have been discharged days before, with even sicker patients taking her place instead. In addition, nurses are responsible for monitoring a patient’s condition, notifying the provider when changes occur and different treatments are needed. Nurses may not be able to order treatments, but you definitely want them to be able to know when you need those treatments. Tying in to your teacher point, nurses also do a lot of education, such as teaching a patient newly diagnosed with diabetes about their disease and how it’s managed. As someone else said, you want them to know how to teach AND what they’re teaching.
Yes, you have a slightly dated view of what a nurse can and has to do in many environments. Nurses do a lot of client education, and take the initial patient history. In order to better communicate with the doctor, and explain what is going on to you, the patient, they do need to know something more than “Here, do this.” They also monitor patients, and in order to do so, for many things, they have to have some science background. Again, they do not diagnose, but they do treat, and with the advancements, it is beneficial for the nurse to have some background understanding on what he/she is doing, not just how to do it.
And to repeat, in order to become an nurse practitioner, they need a master’s, and a BSN is a way to get to the master’s. Not all BSN will get or want the master’s, but if they want to get one in the future, it is easier.
I have actually never worked in a hospital, and never really wanted to. I’ve forgotten a lot of nursing skills, and never practiced a lot of them outside of nursing school. I used to work in pediatric long-term care, and have been with the Red Cross for nine years now. Being an LPN is fine as long as I stay where I am, but I don’t want to!
RN cannot draw blood or give needles. That say they have to give you a sedative or morphine a doctor would say give this person this amount of sedative or morphine a RN is still not qualified to give you needle.
Not being qualified to give you a needle can get you a infection or do more harm if not giving it in right spot.
You right RN is basic education but that where advance nurse comes in .
In most daily life in hospital or nursing home most of the time will not be drawing blood or giving you needle so does NOT make sense to have these nurses walking around.
