In the US there are registered nurses with 4 year degrees and LPNs with 2 year degrees. LPNs are more limited in what procedures they can do. They are also more limited as far a promotion and specialization. I have a friend who is an RN. She worked in direct hospital nursing for some years then moved into research. She now works in research in a teaching hospital and supervises her own staff. An LPN would not be able to do that kind of thing.
It is more likely the LPNs doing most of the day to day care and RNs who are the ER, ICU, neonatal and surgical nurses. Why would someone get a four year degree to change bed pans for the rest of their lives?
The definition of a college is an institution that has only 4 year programs.
An university has graduate programs in addition to 4 year programs.
In the US those terms are more or less interchangeble and there are universities that still call themselves colleges (Dartmouth College, College of William & Mary, etc).
I live in the US. The terms are not ‘interchangeable.’ A university is an institution with graduate programs. A college is not. Dartmouth and other old and well establiished institutions probably just didn’t want to change their names because they are so old and well known, but once they included graduate programs, they became universities in fact, even if they don’t use the term university in their name. I gave the definition. There is no ‘interchangeable’ about it. For example, a school with only 4 year programs cannot call itself a university.
This hasn’t been mentioned yet so I will: If you or a loved one is ever in a nursing home (in the US anyway) the people tending to their day-to-day needs are CNAs.
There are also LPNs. I know this because I once worked for 2 years for an agency that placed temporary RNs, LPNs, and CNAs in hospitals, nursing homes and private residences. All three went to hospitals; LPNs and CNAs went to nursing homes. I also had a roommate for a while who was an LPN and worked full time in a nursing home.
LPNs run the floor, but CNAs hand out food, makes beds, dress residents, escort them to activities, etc… (at least IME, YMWV)
I have no idea what YMWV means. And I’m guessing what IME means.
CNA’s do all the shit work. LPNs do have patient contact. Most of the staff in a nursing home is CNAs, true. But there are procedures that CNAs cannot do, which the LPN needs to do.
IME=In My Experience
YMWV=Your Mileage Will Vary
Your points:
1.That’s what I meant by “run the floor”
2.That’s pretty much “Shit work” IMHO.
As has been pointed out previously, there are also RNs with 2-year associate degrees.
Various areas will likely vary widely on this, which in itself indicates a broad statement like that is probably inaccurate. In my experience, it’s mostly RNs working throughout the hospital, and it’s increasing as LPNs are phased out. Changing bed pans is merely one aspect of the job, just as any job has unpleasantries. There are other aspects that make it worthwhile.
While, yes, there are specific definitions for each, in conversation the tendency is to use “university” and “college” interchangeably. This can get confusing when one person in a conversation thinks that the two terms represent different entities, but the other person is following technically incorrect, but often-used, conversational styling and using the terms interchangeably. The quick way to explain any resulting misunderstandings to the first person is to explain that the two terms are used interchangeably. It’s true that “college” and “university” are not interchangeable, but it is also true that they are nevertheless used interchangeably.
There are some RNs in nursing homes, but they’re less likely to be in positions that need to be filled by temporary employees.
So because a term is used incorrectly by some people, I should accept that the definitions are meaningless and go with the flow? Language then becomes meaningless.
A university is an institution that provides undergraduate and graduate programs. A college is an instution that provides only undergraduate programs. There are no two ways about that. If some people use the term incorrectly, that is not a reason for anyone else to do so and thus promote ignorance, which, btw, would be quite ironic.
I have already explained this phenomenon. Go back and read the thread. If a university wants to call itself a college, that’s their prerogative. Find a four year school with no graduate programs, which is calling itself a university, then get back to me. Such a school does not have the prerogative of calling itself a university.
And yet, this adds nothing to what IvoryTowerDenizen said post 54, it’s just nitpicking at semantics. You don’t have to “accept” that people use words interchangeably, but simply recognizing that this is done is not promoting ignorance. In fact, it is how exactly language evolves.
And, finally, Boston College would like to differ with you.
Denison University in Granville, Ohio.
I’d like to hear more about this prerogative. What body is responsible for formally granting the word “university,” and what are the penalties for a “university” that doesn’t have any graduate programs?
Actually, you didn’t. You expressed an opinion.
In response to your request, I just got back to you (even though that particular school is now defunct). Heck, they didn’t even offer a 4 year degree!
Requirements inflation is hitting other professions as well. Engineering is very close to requiring a masters degree to sit for the PE exam and become a Professional Engineer. This has led to a lot of angst in the Engineering community, especially Mechanical Engineers. Doing this will IMO greatly reduce the number of people who can legally call themselves “Engineers” and drive up the salaries of PEs tremendously. Or, it may lead to Engineering graduate schools becoming assembly lines to basically turn dollars into degrees.
So you are saying in Canada or the UK you can only get Bachelor’s Degree , Master or PHD at university where in the US at college you can get Bachelor’s Degree , Master or PHD?