# All NYTimes letters to editor today (01-18-2018) from pro-Trumpers **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [January 18, 2018, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-nytimes-letters-to-editor-today-01-18-2018-from-pro-trumpers/806907 "2018-01-18T15:04:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-nytimes-letters-to-editor-today-01-18-2018-from-pro-trumpers/806907/1 "2018-01-18T15:04:53Z")
You know how whenever someone asks Trump supporters here to come forward with a clear, articulate, straightforward statement of why they support him, no one ever does? Well today, at the invitation of the NYTimes, ALL the [letters to the editor](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/17/opinion/trump-voters-supporters.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fopinion-letters&action=click&contentCollection=letters®ion=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=sectionfront&_r=0) are clear, articulate, straightforward statements of why the writers support Donald Trump. Definitely worth reading. There are 15, unless I counted wrong. This is the paper’s preamble: > [@](#): > > The Times editorial board has been sharply critical of the Trump presidency, on grounds of policy and personal conduct. Not all readers have been persuaded. In the spirit of open debate, and in hopes of helping readers who agree with us better understand the views of those who don’t, we wanted to let Mr. Trump’s supporters make their best case for him as the first year of his presidency approaches its close. Tomorrow we’ll present some letters from readers who voted for Mr. Trump but are now disillusioned, and from those reacting to today’s letters and our decision to provide Trump voters this platform. All the letters are signed with the person’s full name and city. Obviously, I can’t quote all of them, but here is the first one, and it is representative: > [@](#): > > To the Editor: > > Donald Trump has succeeded where Barack Obama failed. The economy is up, foreign tyrants are afraid, ISIS has lost most of its territory, our embassy will be moved to Jerusalem and tax reform is accomplished. More than that, Mr. Trump is learning, adapting and getting savvier every day. Entitlement reform is next! Lastly, the entrenched interests in Washington, which have done nothing but glad-hand one another, and both political parties are angry and afraid. > > Who knew that all it would take to make progress was vision, chutzpah and some testosterone? > > _[The author’s name and city are here, but I’m going to leave them out}_ Generally people are bothered by Trump’s crudeness, but many like his bullying stance toward the rest of the world. They give him credit for the tax cut (do they know it’s going to expire in a few years?), for defeating ISIS, for low unemployment and the booming stock market. I’m surprised they don’t give him credit for gravity. They would like to see a path for the Dreamers to citizenship, but the kids shouldn’t delude themselves that they deserve it. Speaking of delusions, I see a lot of that in these letters. If the page is paywalled, you can register and read X articles per month for free. If you’re afraid of junk mail from the paper (I never get any, and I’ve subscribed for years), use a hotmail or yahoo address. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-nytimes-letters-to-editor-today-01-18-2018-from-pro-trumpers/806907/2 "2018-01-18T15:28:30Z")
Well, it is kind of hard to argue with “I think Trump is doing a great job because the DJIA just hit 26,000 for the first time ever” ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-nytimes-letters-to-editor-today-01-18-2018-from-pro-trumpers/806907/3 "2018-01-18T15:38:24Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Well, it is kind of hard to argue with “I think Trump is doing a great job because the DJIA just hit 26,000 for the first time ever” Actually it’s easy to argue with it. Trump inherited an economy that was headed in that direction under the “business-hostile” Obama administration. His promises to fatten corporate wallets only accelerated the rate. His jobs creation totals are behind Obama’s totals from last year and unemployment has only dropped from 4.9 to 4.1% during his first year. (Unemployment statement using typical Trump logic) ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-nytimes-letters-to-editor-today-01-18-2018-from-pro-trumpers/806907/4 "2018-01-18T15:38:54Z")
I don’t get any sense of how the DC political class is handling ‘drain the swamp’ - it’s clearly a strong sentiment among the electorate but you never see any comments. Is everyone in Washington kind of hoping it goes away so they get back to good ole bribery and corruption? ---
**Author:** ![beagledave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6de8d8/32.png) [@beagledave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beagledave)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-nytimes-letters-to-editor-today-01-18-2018-from-pro-trumpers/806907/5 "2018-01-18T15:40:08Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Well, it is kind of hard to argue with “I think Trump is doing a great job because the DJIA just hit 26,000 for the first time ever” I can argue with the suggestion that Trump is responsible for the DJIA 26,000 1. Correlation is not the same thing as causation 2. [Dow Jones - 10 Year Daily Chart | MacroTrends](http://www.macrotrends.net/1358/dow-jones-industrial-average-last-10-years) If we’re playing this game, Obama was responsible for the post 2008 recovery bounce., Trump is riding his coat tails. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-nytimes-letters-to-editor-today-01-18-2018-from-pro-trumpers/806907/6 "2018-01-18T15:50:07Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Well, it is kind of hard to argue with “I think Trump is doing a great job because the DJIA just hit 26,000 for the first time ever” The US stock market underperformed the Eurozone with Trump as president while it typically outperformed the same under Obama. Getting worse relative to the global economy. Sad. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-nytimes-letters-to-editor-today-01-18-2018-from-pro-trumpers/806907/7 "2018-01-18T15:54:49Z")
Are we comparing Presidents based on their first year in office vs. previous Presidents’ first year in office, previous Presidents’ last year in office, or something else? And what are Presidents responsible for, specifically? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-nytimes-letters-to-editor-today-01-18-2018-from-pro-trumpers/806907/8 "2018-01-18T16:02:25Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Actually it’s easy to argue with it. Trump inherited an economy that was headed in that direction under the “business-hostile” Obama administration. His promises to fatten corporate wallets only accelerated the rate. > His jobs creation totals are behind Obama’s totals from last year and unemployment has only dropped from 4.9 to 4.1% during his first year. > (Unemployment statement using typical Trump logic) > [@beagledave](#): > > I can argue with the suggestion that Trump is responsible for the DJIA 26,000 > > 1. Correlation is not the same thing as causation > > 2. [Dow Jones - 10 Year Daily Chart | MacroTrends](http://www.macrotrends.net/1358/dow-jones-industrial-average-last-10-years) > > If we’re playing this game, Obama was responsible for the post 2008 recovery bounce., Trump is riding his coat tails. > [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > The US stock market underperformed the Eurozone with Trump as president while it typically outperformed the same under Obama. Getting worse relative to the global economy. Sad. Now you liberals are crying that the unemployment rate ONLY dropped by 16% in his first year? No other President had that big of a drop during their first year. And you give Obama credit for the stock market, but now that it has hit record levels, President Trump had nothing to do with it? Liberal logic for you. Look at all the companies giving bonuses and raises because of the tax cut - only liberals still butt-hurt by the election would cry about more money staying in peoples pockets. (channeling a Trump voter) ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-nytimes-letters-to-editor-today-01-18-2018-from-pro-trumpers/806907/9 "2018-01-18T16:05:53Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Are we comparing Presidents based on their first year in office vs. previous Presidents’ first year in office, previous Presidents’ last year in office, or something else? And what are Presidents responsible for, specifically? > > Regards, > Shodan WE are not comparing anything with anything. As for what Presidents are responsible for, apparently in the hearts and minds if thump supporters, he is responsible for the rising and setting of the sun. And gravity. ---
**Author:** ![CurtC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce73a5/32.png) [@CurtC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CurtC)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-nytimes-letters-to-editor-today-01-18-2018-from-pro-trumpers/806907/10 "2018-01-18T16:25:46Z")
I’m surprised that none mentioned that no passenger airliners crashed anywhere in the world last year. ---
**Author:** ![puddleglum](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puddleglum/32/137_2.png) [@puddleglum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puddleglum)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-nytimes-letters-to-editor-today-01-18-2018-from-pro-trumpers/806907/11 "2018-01-18T16:31:53Z")
A great side effect of the Trump presidency is that people are starting to realize that the President does not control the stock market or the economy. I don’t expect it to last but for now it is nice. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-nytimes-letters-to-editor-today-01-18-2018-from-pro-trumpers/806907/12 "2018-01-18T16:34:15Z")
President Trump cured my lupus. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-nytimes-letters-to-editor-today-01-18-2018-from-pro-trumpers/806907/13 "2018-01-18T16:40:43Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > WE are not comparing anything with anything. Posts #3, #5, and #6 did. > [@](#): > > As for what Presidents are responsible for, apparently in the hearts and minds if thump supporters, he is responsible for the rising and setting of the sun. And gravity. I didn’t see any letters to the editor that said anything like that. Is this belief of yours based on anything demonstrable? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-nytimes-letters-to-editor-today-01-18-2018-from-pro-trumpers/806907/14 "2018-01-18T16:47:56Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Posts #3, #5, and #6 did. > I didn’t see any letters to the editor that said anything like that. Is this belief of yours based on anything demonstrable? > > Regards, > Shodan [Sarcasm](http://www.dictionary.com/browse/sarcasm) > [@](#): > > noun > 1. > harsh or bitter derision or irony. > 2. > a sharply ironical taunt; sneering or cutting remark: ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-nytimes-letters-to-editor-today-01-18-2018-from-pro-trumpers/806907/15 "2018-01-18T16:59:18Z")
> [@beagledave](#): > > If we’re playing this game, Obama was responsible for the post 2008 recovery bounce., Trump is riding his coat tails. In fact, the DJIA’s progress so far has been remarkably similar to when Obama was in office. Only Obama was pulling it out of an economic collapse while Trump inherited a working economy. > **[Stock Market Performance by President](https://www.macrotrends.net/2481/stock-market-performance-by-president)** > > This interactive chart shows the running percentage gain in the Dow Jones Industrial Average by Presidential term. Each series begins with the closing value of the month of inauguration and runs to the closing value of the last month of the term. ... ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-nytimes-letters-to-editor-today-01-18-2018-from-pro-trumpers/806907/16 "2018-01-18T17:02:07Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > In fact, the DJIA’s progress so far has been remarkably similar to when Obama was in office. Only Obama was pulling it out of an economic collapse while Trump inherited a working economy. > > [Stock Market Performance by President | MacroTrends](http://www.macrotrends.net/2481/stock-market-performance-by-president) This smacks of critical reasoning skills. That’s a no-no. The answer is “Maybe, but Obummer doubled the National Debt!” ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-nytimes-letters-to-editor-today-01-18-2018-from-pro-trumpers/806907/17 "2018-01-18T17:08:00Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > This smacks of critical reasoning skills. That’s a no-no. The answer is “Maybe, but Obummer doubled the National Debt!” Only doubled?.. Amateur. I bet Trump will quadruple it in a quarter of the time. MAGA FTW! ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-nytimes-letters-to-editor-today-01-18-2018-from-pro-trumpers/806907/18 "2018-01-18T17:10:10Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > This smacks of critical reasoning skills. That’s a no-no. The answer is “Maybe, but Obummer doubled the National Debt!” To which the correct reply is that the debt went up significantly because of the tax structure, economy, and obligations (wars) that he inherited from Bush rather than policies Obama put in place. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-nytimes-letters-to-editor-today-01-18-2018-from-pro-trumpers/806907/19 "2018-01-18T17:11:11Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Only doubled?.. Amateur. I bet Trump will quadruple it in a quarter of the time. MAGA FTW! When that happens, then the answer will be “So? tax rates are at all time low, and look at my 401k! Besides, who cares about debt anyway?” ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2018, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-nytimes-letters-to-editor-today-01-18-2018-from-pro-trumpers/806907/20 "2018-01-18T17:12:50Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > To which the correct reply is that the debt went up significantly because of the tax structure, economy, and obligations (wars) that he inherited from Bush rather than policies Obama put in place. “Blah, blah, blah, blah nothing bad is Obummer’s fault, yet everything bad is Trump’s fault. Typical liberal” [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-nytimes-letters-to-editor-today-01-18-2018-from-pro-trumpers/806907.md?page=2)