# All religious people should be executed **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 12, 2010, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-religious-people-should-be-executed/542863 "2010-06-12T00:15:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2010, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-religious-people-should-be-executed/542863/321 "2010-06-22T23:48:27Z")
> [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > Whatever gets you through the night, honey. You mean the way your fervent denial of facts and reality does you? I must say, I pity when religion turns otherwise potentially intelligent people into self-important retards, which I see _a lot_ when the lies and delusions they use to buttress their beliefs are challenged. This sort of mental abberration almost justifies the idea of putting the lot of the nuts out of their misery. ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2010, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-religious-people-should-be-executed/542863/322 "2010-06-23T01:09:44Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > You mean the way your fervent denial of facts and reality does you? > > I must say, I pity when religion turns otherwise potentially intelligent people into self-important retards, which I see _a lot_ when the lies and delusions they use to buttress their beliefs are challenged. This sort of mental abberration almost justifies the idea of putting the lot of the nuts out of their misery. Nobody has said that before !!! Wow!!! The false pity!!! Woooooooowwwww!!!eleven!!! ---
**Author:** ![heatmiserfl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/df705f/32.png) [@heatmiserfl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/heatmiserfl)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2010, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-religious-people-should-be-executed/542863/323 "2010-06-23T13:58:01Z")
> [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > Atheists killed people who were religious because those religious beliefs were not acceptable to them. So we’re back to this. If you’re not conflating communists who are responsible for deaths because of communism, then I need an example of 10s of millions of religious people being killed by atheists. Unless you’re saying that Stalin was responsible for 10s of millions of deaths because he was an atheist, meaning he was amoral due to his lack of grace. But then you’d still be stuck with convincing me that all those people were killed because of their religion. Which is not true. I still suspect you are using the communist=atheist argument which you are now trying to backpedal from. Really, theists simply can’t understand what atheism is. Many atheists have philosophical beliefs but atheism itself is simple a lack of belief. Why is that so hard to understand? ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2010, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-religious-people-should-be-executed/542863/324 "2010-06-23T14:45:35Z")
> [@heatmiserfl](#): > > Geopolitics may have been a reason in some cases but religion was used as the rallying cry for the masses. Even if the leaders had ulterior motives, the people went on the crusades to remove the infidel from the Holy Land. People would have all their sins wiped clean if they went to war. I don’t think you can get more religious than that. There’s tons of examples of civil wars, inquisitions, pogroms, etc. where religion was the driving force. I think the difference here is that a lot of us who are even marginally religious are skeptical of the conflation of the abuse of religious appeals in service of geopolitical goals with the idea that those conflicts are religiously motivated. Ultimately, it’s a confluence of factors. Certainly, religion provides a lever that can be used to move portions of the population. On the other hand, saying “the Crusades were about religion” sounds to me like saying “World War I was about the assassination of Ferdinand” or “the Revolutionary War was about taxation”–the rallying cries used to motivate the public are not the same as the reasons for the war in the first place, and I don’t think you can ultimately lay the blame for many of these conflicts at the feet of religion any more than you can lay the blame for WW1 on Gavrilo Princip. Ultimately, my studies and understanding of history is that bad people can be motivated by greed and power, and they’ll grab whatever popular ideologies or methods of population control they can use to support that. I don’t believe that any given religion is any more or less pernicious than any non-religious ideology in that regard, they’re simply more wide-spread and historically have been more strongly felt so they’re more useful levers. In the absence of religion, people still have beliefs and ideologies, and they can still be motivated to do evil while thinking/believing they’re doing good–this thread itself is a fine example. ---
**Author:** ![LonesomePolecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e57/32.png) [@LonesomePolecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LonesomePolecat)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2010, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-religious-people-should-be-executed/542863/325 "2010-06-23T15:01:54Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > I’ll answer for you: this thread. And this thread _only_. In the case of communism, the communists may have been atheists, and their victims may have been theists, but it was never the case that the communists’ atheism was the reason for the murders. It was always because there was a _separate_ reason for attacking theists, specifically in this case because the religions were competition for the marxistish political philosophy of communism. Similarly, it was never the case that anybody ever killed anyone simply because of theism, but only in the name of some specific religion or some specific doctrine. Nobody ever killed anybody just because he believed that God exists. No matter how you try to rationalize the fact away, it still remains that radical secularists in the Soviet Union killed tens of millions of Christians attempting to uproot and destroy a Christian civilization. > [@begbert2](#): > > Now’s your chance to say that communism is an atheist philosophy. Which it is - in the same way that Christianity is all about eating bread and drinking wine. Which is to say that’s clearly not what it’s about and it’s obviously incorrect to describe it as though the tandential detail was the driving philosophy. > > Which tells me you’re not qualified to identify fantasy. No matter how you slice it, Marxism is an explicitly atheistic and materialistic philosophy. These are central doctines, not merely tangential. Trying to remove them from Marxism would be like trying to remove theism from Christianity or Islam. All Marxist theory is derived from its materialist metaphysics, just as Christian and Muslim doctrines are derived from their theism. You can’t just shove Marxian atheism and materialism off to a dark corner somewhere and pretend that they somehow aren’t important. Wiggle as frantically as you will, you still can’t wiggle out of the fact that people following an explicitly atheistic and materialistic philosophy have killed more than a hundred million people around the globe, justifying their actions with social, economic and political doctrines derived from atheism and materialism. Your inability or unwillingness to recognize and accept this fact tells me you are yourself spectacularly ill-equipped to identify fantasy. ---
**Author:** ![LonesomePolecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e57/32.png) [@LonesomePolecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LonesomePolecat)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2010, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-religious-people-should-be-executed/542863/326 "2010-06-23T15:07:58Z")
> [@heatmiserfl](#): > > Really, theists simply can’t understand what atheism is. Many atheists have philosophical beliefs but atheism itself is simple a lack of belief. Why is that so hard to understand? Nonsense. Most atheists in the West are atheists because they are materialists; their atheism derives from their materialism. Most of them are being spectacularly dishonest when they say they merely lack belief in God or gods. ---
**Author:** ![LonesomePolecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e57/32.png) [@LonesomePolecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LonesomePolecat)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2010, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-religious-people-should-be-executed/542863/327 "2010-06-23T15:23:34Z")
> [@heatmiserfl](#): > > Unless you’re saying that Stalin was responsible for 10s of millions of deaths because he was an atheist, meaning he was amoral due to his lack of grace. But then you’d still be stuck with convincing me that all those people were killed because of their religion. Which is not true. Whatever Stalin’s actual motive, it is certain that his justification was the doctrine of an explicitly atheistic philosophy. And as I’ve pointed out above, you cannot disentangle Marxian metaphysics from Marxian economic, social and political doctrine. ---
**Author:** ![LonesomePolecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e57/32.png) [@LonesomePolecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LonesomePolecat)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2010, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-religious-people-should-be-executed/542863/328 "2010-06-23T15:26:28Z")
> [@heatmiserfl](#): > > So you really are conflating communist atrocities with atheist atrocities. :dubious: Just as you conflate Christian or Muslim atrocities with theistic atrocities. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2010, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-religious-people-should-be-executed/542863/329 "2010-06-23T15:30:18Z")
> [@LonesomePolecat](#): > > No matter how you slice it, Marxism is an explicitly atheistic and materialistic philosophy. These are central doctines, not merely tangential. Trying to remove them from Marxism would be like trying to remove theism from Christianity or Islam. All Marxist theory is derived from its materialist metaphysics, just as Christian and Muslim doctrines are derived from their theism. You can’t just shove Marxian atheism and materialism off to a dark corner somewhere and pretend that they somehow aren’t important. > > Wiggle as frantically as you will, you still can’t wiggle out of the fact that people following an explicitly atheistic and materialistic philosophy have killed more than a hundred million people around the globe, justifying their actions with social, economic and political doctrines derived from atheism and materialism. The atheism of Marxism isn’t the driving force of the ideology. That would be the dialectic, that revolution is inevitable, the people must rise up, yadda yadda. That’s what got people to commit vile deeds. Just like “your God wants you to kill these people” is what gets religious zealots to commit vile deeds. No Communist – not Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, nor any of the proletariat – ever killed someone else because there is no god. To the extent that communists drove religion out of their countries, they did so because they wanted people devoted to the dialectic, not some other higher power. ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2010, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-religious-people-should-be-executed/542863/330 "2010-06-23T18:12:34Z")
> [@heatmiserfl](#): > > So we’re back to this. If you’re not conflating communists who are responsible for deaths because of communism, then I need an example of 10s of millions of religious people being killed by atheists. > > Unless you’re saying that Stalin was responsible for 10s of millions of deaths because he was an atheist, meaning he was amoral due to his lack of grace. But then you’d still be stuck with convincing me that all those people were killed because of their religion. Which is not true. > > I still suspect you are using the communist=atheist argument which you are now trying to backpedal from. > > Really, theists simply can’t understand what atheism is. Many atheists have philosophical beliefs but atheism itself is simple a lack of belief. Why is that so hard to understand? You suspect wrong. Your defense of ahteism is of the “no true Scotsman” variety. > [@Bosstone](#): > > The atheism of Marxism isn’t the driving force of the ideology. That would be the dialectic, that revolution is inevitable, the people must rise up, yadda yadda. That’s what got people to commit vile deeds. Just like “your God wants you to kill these people” is what gets religious zealots to commit vile deeds. > > No Communist – not Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, nor any of the proletariat – ever killed someone else because there is no god. To the extent that communists drove religion out of their countries, they did so because they wanted people devoted to the dialectic, not some other higher power. Not because there is no god, but because the others beleived it. The doctrinal purity needed for a group of atheists to become muderers in the name of atheism, for many people here, is astonishing. “No true Scotsman” part two. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2010, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-religious-people-should-be-executed/542863/331 "2010-06-23T18:21:13Z")
> [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > Not because there is no god, but because the others beleived it. Because if they believed in god, they wouldn’t believe in the dialectic. Communist ideology is more than being anti-god. ---
**Author:** ![LonesomePolecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e57/32.png) [@LonesomePolecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LonesomePolecat)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2010, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-religious-people-should-be-executed/542863/332 "2010-06-23T18:36:32Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > The atheism of Marxism isn’t the driving force of the ideology. That would be the dialectic, that revolution is inevitable, the people must rise up, yadda yadda. That’s what got people to commit vile deeds. Just like “your God wants you to kill these people” is what gets religious zealots to commit vile deeds. > > No Communist – not Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, nor any of the proletariat – ever killed someone else because there is no god. To the extent that communists drove religion out of their countries, they did so because they wanted people devoted to the dialectic, not some other higher power. (sigh) As I have already pointed out, \*nobody ever killed someone else simply because of belief in God. Theism by itself has never been a motive for killing. Theism and atheism **by themselves** have never been a motive for anything. \* Theism and religion do not automatically lead to genocide any more than atheism and secularism automatically lead to genocide. It is immensely exasperating to hear some boneheaded atheist insist that religious philosophies and ideologies cause mass bloodshed but secular philosophies and ideologies never do. That is a bald faced lie. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2010, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-religious-people-should-be-executed/542863/333 "2010-06-23T18:38:35Z")
> [@LonesomePolecat](#): > > (sigh) As I have already pointed out, \*nobody ever killed someone else simply because of belief in God. Theism by itself has never been a motive for killing. Theism and atheism **by themselves** have never been a motive for anything. \* Theism and religion do not automatically lead to genocide any more than atheism and secularism automatically lead to genocide. It is immensely exasperating to hear some boneheaded atheist insist that religious philosophies and ideologies cause mass bloodshed but secular philosophies and ideologies never do. That is a bald faced lie. Oh, secular philosophies and ideologies, absolutely. But not atheism per se. Frankly, I’d be happy with “All ideologues should be executed,” not necessarily religious people. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2010, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-religious-people-should-be-executed/542863/334 "2010-06-23T18:45:23Z")
> [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > Nobody has said that before !!! Wow!!! > The false pity!!! > Woooooooowwwww!!!eleven!!! There is nothing false about it. You are a sad, strange little person, and you have my pity. Fare well. > [@LonesomePolecat](#): > > Similarly, it was never the case that anybody ever killed anyone simply because of theism, but only in the name of some specific religion or some specific doctrine. Nobody ever killed anybody just because he believed that God exists. Except there’s nothing similar about it at all, which is why your false analogy is, and always will be, a worthless and pathetic excuse for rational argument. Let’s be clear - anyone who says or implies that marxism is significantly about atheism is being retarded. This includes you. Whereas anybody who says or implies that christianity is _not_ significantly about theism is being similarly retarded. This includes you. Unless one or (preferably) both of these statements is true, your argument fails massively, in a way that will not excape any intellectually honest (or honestly intellectual) person. > [@LonesomePolecat](#): > > No matter how you try to rationalize the fact away, it still remains that radical secularists in the Soviet Union killed tens of millions of Christians attempting to uproot and destroy a Christian civilization. Who needs to rationalize it away? Of course the communists professed to be secular, and of course they attempted to wipe out the christianity. The thing you fail to realize, though, is this fact doesn’t support your dumbass position. Have you ever heard of the statement “correlation does not equal causation”? Look into it, because this is where you fail. (Though to be fair, you might be failing in many other places as well.) It is certainly and obviously **not** the case that atheism was the root cause of communism and it’s anti-religious behavior. It’s not even debatable that the communists said, “we’re atheists, and atheism says that the means of production belong in the hands of the people.” Seriously, you’d have to be as dumb as a brick or as dishonest as Nixon to even _imply_ such a thing. No - what obviously happened was instead: Communism was formed based on principles that had nothing to do with atheism. Comminusm positioned itself adversarially against religion, becuase they were competing ideologies. And then _because_ communism was opposed to religion, as a _result_ of that fact, it declared atheism to be a tiny part of the party platform. In other words, you have the causality _completely_ backwards. > [@LonesomePolecat](#): > > No matter how you slice it, Marxism is an explicitly atheistic and materialistic philosophy. These are central doctines, not merely tangential. Trying to remove them from Marxism would be like trying to remove theism from Christianity or Islam. All Marxist theory is derived from its materialist metaphysics, just as Christian and Muslim doctrines are derived from their theism. You can’t just shove Marxian atheism and materialism off to a dark corner somewhere and pretend that they somehow aren’t important. > > Wiggle as frantically as you will, you still can’t wiggle out of the fact that people following an explicitly atheistic and materialistic philosophy have killed more than a hundred million people around the globe, justifying their actions with social, economic and political doctrines derived from atheism and materialism. > > Your inability or unwillingness to recognize and accept this fact tells me you are yourself spectacularly ill-equipped to identify fantasy. _Central_ ‘doctines’? Do you have any clue _whatsoever_ of what you’re talking about? Or are you just a compulsive, chronic liar with no shame whatsoever? I don’t feel any need to wiggle when you’re just shoveling transparently false and retarded bullshit. And yeah, your “no U believe fantasy!” is _such_ compelling argument; I quail at your brilliant wit. You moron. ---
**Author:** ![LonesomePolecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e57/32.png) [@LonesomePolecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LonesomePolecat)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2010, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-religious-people-should-be-executed/542863/335 "2010-06-23T18:49:23Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > Oh, secular philosophies and ideologies, absolutely. > > But not atheism per se. Nor theism per se. Secular doctine is no less likely to lead to disaster than religious doctrine. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2010, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-religious-people-should-be-executed/542863/336 "2010-06-23T18:55:15Z")
> [@LonesomePolecat](#): > > Nor theism per se. Secular doctine is no less likely to lead to disaster than religious doctrine. Let’s discuss this for a moment. What, do you suppose, is the central tenant of Christianity? Here’s my bet - “There’s a god and he had a son named Jesus and this fact relates on your life/afterlife and your activities therein in some way.” (I’d get more specific but Christianity is a very broad target.) This is an _explicitly_ theistic tenant. Christianity is literally all about its theism. As opposed to, say, the fact that Jesus was a carpenter. They believe this too, but it’s hardly the main idea or a driving principle. With marxism, of course, the driving principles have nothing whatsoever to do with theism _or_ atheim; they have to do with social engineering. The atheistic aspect of the platform is tacked on. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2010, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-religious-people-should-be-executed/542863/337 "2010-06-23T19:00:04Z")
Yeah, that whole “and thou shalt have no other gods before me” is rather a sticky point. You have to work to encourage that sort of exclusionism into a secular philosophy, whereas “my god is the only true god” kind of comes naturally to theistic philosophy. ---
**Author:** ![Gustav](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/919ad9/32.png) [@Gustav](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gustav)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2010, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-religious-people-should-be-executed/542863/338 "2010-06-23T19:06:21Z")
Just out of curiosity, because I couldn’t find anything on google; did the stalinists actually end up killing a disproportionate percentage of religious people compared to the percentage of the population at large? I know their rhetoric, but do the numbers bear that out? I expect the answer is yes, but at the same time it seems like they were mostly just getting rid of anyone they wanted to. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2010, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-religious-people-should-be-executed/542863/339 "2010-06-23T19:35:11Z")
> [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > It’s the standard “Avowed atheists are not atheists because they are inconvenient to my atheism” and “Atheists working together for an atheistic ieology are actually religious because they behave like that”. Nice justification because it basically denies even the mental posibility of atheists comitting crimes as a group. The problem with these types of arguments is that atheism is simply not analogous to an actual belief system. To quote someone or another: “atheism is a religion like not collecting stamps is a hobby.” So unless you have a case where a group of atheists killed religious people specifically to cleanse the world of religion, you’re just bundling the crimes of the not-X group to draw a false comparison to X. It makes no more sense than Scientologists refuting allegations of being a crazy fucked up cult by pointing out the misdeeds of non-Scientologists like Timothy McVeigh and that old guy who drove through the Farmer’s Market in Santa Monica a few years ago and Hitler and whoever didn’t slap Beyonce when she first sang “Put a Ring On It” for them. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2010, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-religious-people-should-be-executed/542863/340 "2010-06-23T21:05:15Z")
> [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > The doctrinal purity needed for a group of atheists to become muderers in the name of atheism, for many people here, is astonishing. “No true Scotsman” part two. No, you are missing the point. “Doctrinally pure” atheism isn’t going to drive anyone to do anything. Good or bad. How would it? It’s an absence of belief. > [@LonesomePolecat](#): > > It is immensely exasperating to hear some boneheaded atheist insist that religious philosophies and ideologies cause mass bloodshed but secular philosophies and ideologies never do. That is a bald faced lie. No, the bald faced lie is you claiming people are saying that. > [@Giraffe](#): > > The problem with these types of arguments is that atheism is simply not analogous to an actual belief system. To quote someone or another: “atheism is a religion like not collecting stamps is a hobby.” So unless you have a case where a group of atheists killed religious people specifically to cleanse the world of religion, you’re just bundling the crimes of the not-X group to draw a false comparison to X. That doesn’t work either. Atheism is the assertion that there are no gods; it isn’t the claim that gods or the belief in them is undesirable or that people should be killed over it. Atheism can’t drive anyone to do anything without adding something else to the mix; there’s nothing there to do so. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-religious-people-should-be-executed/542863.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-religious-people-should-be-executed/542863.md?page=18)