# "All right, I'm going to say it...I actually LIKED..." **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 20, 2011, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-right-im-going-to-say-it-i-actually-liked/582546 "2011-05-20T06:32:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![SecretaryofEvil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@SecretaryofEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SecretaryofEvil)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2011, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-right-im-going-to-say-it-i-actually-liked/582546/262 "2011-07-09T03:06:18Z")
> [@amnesia57](#): > > I’m so happy to find this thread. > > I enjoyed the _Star Wars_ prequel trilogy (even _The Phantom Menace_, though I’m not wild about Jar Jar or that kid). I’m amazed to be typing that here, as I’ve always had the impression that you’re not an official Doper until you’ve posted a screed about George Lucas’s crimes against humanity. > > I also liked the _Terminator_ and _Matrix_ sequels. > > And my favorite Star Trek movie is _Star Trek: The Motion Picture_. It has a sense of gravitas and dignity that the other films completely lack. I do admit, though, that my affection for this movie has something to do with the fact that I saw it on my first date with my wife. (I absolutely detest the J.J. Abrams _Trek_ film and could rant about it for hours.) > > I also love the _Dark Angel_ television series, although I’m not sure that’s something that everyone else hates. It was popular enough to justify a DVD release and a few spinoff books, but I rarely see positive comments about it. You’re not allowed on the internet period if you aren’t complaining about the Star Wars Prequels. The first season of Dark Angel was really really good. In the second season the tone of the show completely shifted. It became much less dark and gritty. It sort of became a “creature of they week” type show, and several episodes were devoted to ham-fisted attempts at comparing tolerance towards genetically engineered super soldiers to tolerance towards different races. This has been done a lot in sci-fi, it’s been done better, and frankly it didn’t really fit with what was actually going on in the show. ---
**Author:** ![Kyrie\_Eleison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kyrie_eleison/32/7682_2.png) [@Kyrie\_Eleison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kyrie_Eleison)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2011, 6:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-right-im-going-to-say-it-i-actually-liked/582546/263 "2011-07-09T06:41:32Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > I hereby dare anyone to chime in and honestly say they love Andie MacDowell’s acting Thanks, you’ve just suggested my entry to the thread. I’m going to say it, I find Andie MacDowell gorgeous, but moreover, I thought her performances in _Sex, Lies, and Videotape_ and _Groundhog Day_ were great. ---
**Author:** ![Namkcalb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c89c15/32.png) [@Namkcalb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Namkcalb)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2011, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-right-im-going-to-say-it-i-actually-liked/582546/264 "2011-07-09T13:04:48Z")
Lets see. I liked both the first Starship Troopers film and the book. The film is really good on its own merits, it only falls short as an adaption of the book. The Starwars prequels, and especially Episode One. Jar-Jar Binks was my favourite character. Sure, the character was annoying, but all the other characters found him annoying too. He changes the atmosphere and pacing in a good direction. My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic. Seriously, I consider it the best American animated series running at the moment. ---
**Author:** ![Raguleader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/258eb7/32.png) [@Raguleader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raguleader)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2011, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-right-im-going-to-say-it-i-actually-liked/582546/265 "2011-07-09T13:16:01Z")
I have found that many works are especially easy to accept if you look at them through a certain lens (whether or not this lens is intended by the creator varies, obviously). ie: A common complaint of the Star Wars prequels is the general attitude and behavior of Anakin Skywalker. Evidently his behavior is actually quite consistent with someone who is suffering from Borderline Personality Disorder, which certainly must not have done him any favors given what all was going on for him on a personal, political, and galactic level in those films. As far as the Starship Troopers films, they work best if you watch them as films produced in-universe, and thus embrace the Unreliable Narrator fully. They’re really fun to read between the lines on (especially the third film) and try to infer details that you aren’t given (that’s actually pretty much the entire point of the B-Plot about the peace activists in the third film, we only even see that one via the newscasts, which are yet another layer of film-within-a-film and unreliable narrator). But yeah, enough of that. 😃 I also enjoyed the Wing Commander movie. Watched it twice in theaters, bought and read the novelization (which is actually much better than the movie; its merits include not having the entire traitor plot removed like they did for the film). Now own the film on DVD. ---
**Author:** ![Ponch8](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ponch8/32/9883_2.png) [@Ponch8](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ponch8)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2011, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-right-im-going-to-say-it-i-actually-liked/582546/266 "2011-07-09T15:57:30Z")
> [@Ponch8](#): > > Kesha’s music. I really liked “TiK ToK” but didn’t think she was that big a deal, but then “Take It Off” came out last fall and I’ve been obsessed with her music ever since. It was a big disappointment when I couldn’t see her appearance in Chicago in February, but luckily she’s returning in August! I got my tickets already. > [@MegaBee](#): > > I wasn’t expecting anyone to beat me to Ke$ha, but I’ll add Linkin Park. Everybody else in the world is a Kesha fan but just doesn’t want to admit it. She really only has two types of songs: excellent ones and very good ones Only 46 more days until her concert in Chicago! ---
**Author:** ![SecretaryofEvil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@SecretaryofEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SecretaryofEvil)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2011, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-right-im-going-to-say-it-i-actually-liked/582546/267 "2011-07-09T20:25:12Z")
> [@Raguleader](#): > > ie: A common complaint of the Star Wars prequels is the general attitude and behavior of Anakin Skywalker. Evidently his behavior is actually quite consistent with someone who is suffering from Borderline Personality Disorder, which certainly must not have done him any favors given what all was going on for him on a personal, political, and galactic level in those films. That’s an interesting theory. Care to expand on it? ---
**Author:** ![Raguleader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/258eb7/32.png) [@Raguleader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raguleader)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2011, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-right-im-going-to-say-it-i-actually-liked/582546/268 "2011-07-10T02:12:22Z")
> [@SecretaryofEvil](#): > > That’s an interesting theory. Care to expand on it? > **[The Psychology of Darth Vader Revealed](https://www.livescience.com/10679-psychology-darth-vader-revealed.html)** > > Psychiatrists diagnose Anakin Skywalker, aka Darth Vader, with borderline personality disorder. Mind you, until someone can sit down with Lord Vader and diagnose him properly, this is merely speculation. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Maiira](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f04885/32.png) [@Maiira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maiira)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2011, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-right-im-going-to-say-it-i-actually-liked/582546/269 "2011-07-10T06:46:34Z")
I like “documentaries” about ghosts and hauntings. Especially that one show on Animal Planet. They even creep me out a little sometimes. Also, count me in as one who watches stupid little kid anime for the hot dudes. ---
**Author:** ![salinqmind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3ec8ea/32.png) [@salinqmind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/salinqmind)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2011, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-right-im-going-to-say-it-i-actually-liked/582546/270 "2011-07-10T14:21:52Z")
> [@Maiira](#): > > I like “documentaries” about ghosts and hauntings. Especially that one show on Animal Planet. > > They even creep me out a little sometimes. > > Also, count me in as one who watches stupid little kid anime for the hot dudes. I blush to admit I, a grown woman, watched Pokemon on tv with the kids because I had a RAGING crush on James of Team Rocket. Raging. :o In the real world: too many Bobby Hills, not enough hot anime dudes!😛 ---
**Author:** ![Koxinga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4af34b/32.png) [@Koxinga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koxinga)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2011, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-right-im-going-to-say-it-i-actually-liked/582546/271 "2011-07-10T14:50:40Z")
And yet I’ve been [skewered](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12570201&postcount=45) for confessing I have a crush on a [local children’s entertainer](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqMbT8ckKVQ&feature=related). ETA: Yet I will not be [swayed](http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/293/3hx7.jpg/). Even if my wife has suddenly decided that channel is a bad influence on the kids. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2011, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-right-im-going-to-say-it-i-actually-liked/582546/272 "2011-07-10T16:57:32Z")
I also like the Matrix sequels. By the middle of the second movie, I decided that I would forget about the quasi-religious philosophy of the movies and just treat it as an action kung fu movie. Enjoyed it much more that way ---
**Author:** ![Sarabellum](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarabellum/32/3492_2.png) [@Sarabellum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarabellum)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2011, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-right-im-going-to-say-it-i-actually-liked/582546/273 "2011-07-10T18:58:38Z")
I liked the Short Circuit movies (even the second one!) and the Bill & Ted movies (ESPECIALLY the second one!) and I even like the dumb tween Disney made-for-TV movies when my kids are hogging the remote. I liked Johnny Tsunami, even watched it twice. I encourage my four year old daughter to watch My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic so that I can watch it too. It really is quite a good little show! ---
**Author:** ![Maiira](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f04885/32.png) [@Maiira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maiira)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2011, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-right-im-going-to-say-it-i-actually-liked/582546/274 "2011-07-10T19:12:13Z")
> [@salinqmind](#): > > I blush to admit I, a grown woman, watched Pokemon on tv with the kids because I had a RAGING crush on James of Team Rocket. Raging. :o In the real world: too many Bobby Hills, not enough hot anime dudes!😛 Yeah, James was pretty hot, but I, personally, preferred [Matt](http://images.wikia.com/digimon/images/7/75/02matt4.jpg) from the first two seasons of Digimon. ---
**Author:** ![SecretaryofEvil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@SecretaryofEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SecretaryofEvil)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2011, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-right-im-going-to-say-it-i-actually-liked/582546/275 "2011-07-10T19:39:15Z")
> [@Raguleader](#): > > [The Psychology of Darth Vader Revealed | Live Science](http://www.livescience.com/10679-psychology-darth-vader-revealed.html) > > Mind you, until someone can sit down with Lord Vader and diagnose him properly, this is merely speculation. 😃 “I believe that psychotherapy would have helped Anakin and might have prevented him from turning to the dark side,” Bui said. Fun article, thanks for linking. ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2011, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-right-im-going-to-say-it-i-actually-liked/582546/276 "2011-07-11T14:57:35Z")
> [@Namkcalb](#): > > My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic. Seriously, I consider it the best American animated series running at the moment. There is a near-universal consensus that it is awesome, so that’s not much of a confession. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![SecretaryofEvil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@SecretaryofEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SecretaryofEvil)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2011, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-right-im-going-to-say-it-i-actually-liked/582546/277 "2011-07-11T18:38:04Z")
All right, I’m going to admit it. I like watching the Star Wars Clone Wars 3D cartoon. The animation is really cool. I don’t necessarily think it’s a good show, but it’s so incredibly bizarre it intrigues me. It’s clearly marketed towards children, and every episode begins with a written moral, like an Aesop’s Fable. But this moral is always based on insane Jedi philosophy, so the messages come out fairly radical. The entire point of one episode was pretty much that pacifists are selfish and retarded. But what do you expect from a religious monastic order that employs child soldiers? Then you have the hero of this children’s show. He’s Darth Vader! Based on the timeline of the series, Anakin has already admitted to killing defenseless children. An act he will later repeat. Then he becomes horribly disfigured, then he spends three movies committing genocide and torturing people. His darkness is even explored on the show. He tortures a prisoner for information while his Vader music plays. Other Jedi even note that Anakin is quick to kill rather than negotiate and that he seems to enjoy himself an awful lot during combat. But 90% of the time on the show, he’s the good guy, they guy you’re supposed to be rooting for and learning lessons from. Then there is the ethics of the clone soldiers the heroes lead. In one episode, a clone defector his hauled away to prison by the heroes screaming, “We (the clones) are nothing but slaves to you! You don’t give us a choice! You force us to fight in a war we have no stake in!” The heroes shake their heads in disgust and wonder what went wrong with him. Oh there’s also a deformed clone. They use him as a janitor. Seriously. I suppose it all makes sense because they are fighting a war to further the motives of a power hungry wannabe dictator. You just don’t see that many shows aimed towards children where the protagonists are pretty much the villains. ---
**Author:** ![joebuck20](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/74df32/32.png) [@joebuck20](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joebuck20)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2011, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-right-im-going-to-say-it-i-actually-liked/582546/278 "2011-07-11T18:51:06Z")
> [@Jumpbass](#): > > I listen to Meat Loaf. Hey, **Paradise by the Dashboard Light** is an awesome song. Anyway, **Stepbrothers** was basically nothing more than a big excuse for John C. Reilly and Will Ferrell to act like a couple of dumbasses. But if I see it while flipping through the channels, I’ll stop and watch. And I’ll laugh my ass off the whole time. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-right-im-going-to-say-it-i-actually-liked/582546.md?page=13)