# All right, that's it. Enough. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 4, 2002, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-right-thats-it-enough/122248 "2002-08-04T02:12:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![tiny\_ham](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2002, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-right-thats-it-enough/122248/21 "2002-08-05T13:59:48Z")
I’m not shocked or even DISTURBED by this. Being a sexual submissive with admitted kidnap and rape fantasies, this seems fairly ‘normal’ to me. I could name off five people right now that I KNOW personally who would probably participate. I had a boyfriend in college who used to ‘kidnap’ me out of my dorm room, tie my hands, blindfold me, throw me in the backseat of his car. It’s exciting. I think it’s a lot less sick than poop eating, or beastiality. Gone too far? Hardly. ---
**Author:** ![sailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a587f6/32.png) [@sailor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sailor)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2002, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-right-thats-it-enough/122248/22 "2002-08-05T14:04:35Z")
A new twist: They kidnap you, tie you up and pretend they kill you and then dispose of the body by dumping it over the side of a high bridge. ( They attach the bungees first and don’t really kill you, of course.) Reminds me of the gal who wanted to be tied down and “humiliated” in bed. The guy tied her down to the bed and proceeded to ignore her for the next few hours while he ate pizza in the kitchen and watched TV. She wasn’t happy even though she got what she had asked for. ---
**Author:** ![grayhairedmomma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/47e85d/32.png) [@grayhairedmomma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grayhairedmomma)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2002, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-right-thats-it-enough/122248/23 "2002-08-05T14:26:36Z")
> [@](#): > > “When you come out of this kidnapping - you’ve survived it,” she said. Well duh. It’d be really bad business if you didn’t. You know someone’s coming to “kidnap” you, even though you aren’t aware of the exact time. You’d pretty much have to tell everyone you would come into regular contact with so they won’t call the cops and report you missing. You know the “kidnappers” aren’t going to do anything worse to you than what you’ve already stipulated. You know that at some predetermined time you’ll be back at home safe and sound. Shit, I get more excitement walking to the corner store late at night. So what happens if in the middle of a kidnapping someone’s check bounces? Do they hold that person until his “ransom” can be paid? ---
**Author:** ![Gorgon\_Heap](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f475e1/32.png) [@Gorgon\_Heap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorgon_Heap)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2002, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-right-thats-it-enough/122248/24 "2002-08-05T14:38:48Z")
No checks. They make you pay with Visa: Everywhere you want to be kidnapped. ---
**Author:** ![Creaky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e68b1a/32.png) [@Creaky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Creaky)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2002, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-right-thats-it-enough/122248/25 "2002-08-05T22:43:17Z")
I actually think that’s a fascinating idea. Years ago, a then-boyfriend and I discussed him trying something like that for me as a gift (by himself, of course, not through a service), but we didn’t get around to it. I can imagine doing a scenario like that involves a _lot_ of careful planning, and for me, could be pretty exciting. But that’s just me, mind you. ---
**Author:** ![bluecanary](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bluecanary/32/3614_2.png) [@bluecanary](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bluecanary)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2002, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-right-thats-it-enough/122248/26 "2002-08-05T22:50:53Z")
I don’t have a problem with it from the point of view of it being ‘sick’ or ‘immoral’ or any of that crap. Consenting adults and all that. But I sure hope they’ve got some good lawyers! ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2002, 8:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-right-thats-it-enough/122248/27 "2002-08-06T08:14:19Z")
I imagine that the police will have something to say about this if it starts generating bogus calls (from concerned, uninformed bystanders). ---
**Author:** ![red\_dragon60](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ce73a5/32.png) [@red\_dragon60](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/red_dragon60)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2002, 8:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-right-thats-it-enough/122248/28 "2002-08-06T08:19:03Z")
People were ripping into this on Fark. I think there were even some “asshat” pictures of the one guy who did it three times. Yes, because being kidnapped and paying for it is completely like being dragged out of your house, stuffed into a trunk, removed at a lake, pistol-whipped, raped, shot, and then having your body dropped in a larget body of water. These people are desensitizing kidnapping. Just another sport for rich young yuppies who have gotten bored of whitewater rafting. And apparently, when I kidnap someone, I should carry a camera and say it’s for a documentary. Then nobody would question me! ---
**Author:** ![Lucretia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/13edae/32.png) [@Lucretia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucretia)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2002, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-right-thats-it-enough/122248/29 "2002-08-06T11:46:59Z")
I’m very much in the “to each his own” camp. They have the money, they wanna get fake-kidnapped, whatever. But I can see this going very, very wrong. Like a “victim” accidentally smothering from duct tape over his face, or having a heart attack when he wakes up to find people looming over him…I think all parties are playing a very dangerous game. I wonder if the business has liability insurance, and who would sell it to them. ---
**Author:** ![Zoff](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/6de8d8/32.png) [@Zoff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoff)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2002, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-right-thats-it-enough/122248/30 "2002-08-06T12:23:51Z")
> [@](#): > > Or, what happens the first time one of the fake kidnappers gets shot by a well-meaning witness? If I had a gun on me in those situations, I certainly wouldn’t hesitate to draw it. A similar type of thing almost got a participant [killed](http://www.sptimes.com/2002/07/02/TampaBay/Actor_lucky_he_wasn_t.shtml). Whatever floats your boat. But a fake kidnapping runs the risk of getting a very real police response. I hope these folks are extremely careful. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2002, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-right-thats-it-enough/122248/31 "2002-08-06T12:38:54Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by IJGrieve \* > \*\*I don’t have a problem with it from the point of view of it being ‘sick’ or ‘immoral’ or any of that crap. Consenting adults and all that. > > But I sure hope they’ve got some good lawyers! \*\* We should have a pool and bet on when the 1st lawsuit is filed claiming negligence when one of these nutjobs gets a little too banged up during the ‘kidnapping’. ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2002, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-right-thats-it-enough/122248/32 "2002-08-06T12:53:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by jarbabyj \* > \*\*I’m not shocked or even DISTURBED by this. Being a sexual submissive with admitted kidnap and rape fantasies, this seems fairly ‘normal’ to me. I could name off five people right now that I KNOW personally who would probably participate. > > I had a boyfriend in college who used to ‘kidnap’ me out of my dorm room, tie my hands, blindfold me, throw me in the backseat of his car. > > It’s exciting. > > I think it’s a lot less sick than poop eating, or beastiality. > > Gone too far? Hardly. \*\* I’m going to clench my teeth as I write this last revision of this post, and try to explain it in as non-inflammatory terms as possible to you. We’re not talking about the same thing. We’re talking about what appears to be very public acts of these fake kidnappings. If your fantasy includes being dragged, kicking and screaming, by a large man into a van in public, in something that clearly seems like a real abduction, then yes, that is disturbing. Why? Because you have now involved innocent bystanders in your ‘fantasy’, or whatever it is you wish to call it. And that’s what’s wrong. There is a serious risk of someone getting seriously hurt, or killed, as a result of this. So yes, it is going too far. ---
**Author:** ![False\_God](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ee7513/32.png) [@False\_God](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/False_God)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2004, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-right-thats-it-enough/122248/33 "2004-07-02T01:54:10Z")
> [@Una Persson](#): > > I’m going to clench my teeth as I write this last revision of this post, and try to explain it in as non-inflammatory terms as possible to you. > > We’re not talking about the same thing. We’re talking about what appears to be very public acts of these fake kidnappings. If your fantasy includes being dragged, kicking and screaming, by a large man into a van in public, in something that clearly seems like a real abduction, then yes, that is disturbing. Why? Because you have now involved innocent bystanders in your ‘fantasy’, or whatever it is you wish to call it. > > And that’s what’s wrong. There is a serious risk of someone getting seriously hurt, or killed, as a result of this. So yes, it is going too far. And yes, more than a year later, thak you for agreeing with me. ---
**Author:** ![Chairman\_Pow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/838e76/32.png) [@Chairman\_Pow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chairman_Pow)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2004, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-right-thats-it-enough/122248/34 "2004-07-02T02:23:13Z")
> [@Shade](#): > > BTW, I guess it’s not illegal because it’s not legally kidnapping if it’s not against the 'victim’s will. If they change their mind half way through, it mgiht be a problem. That’s what the safe words are for. Whether or not they have them is another matter. This seems awfully like some sort of public bondage play. Some particularly sick way of “slumming” it. ---
**Author:** ![Chairman\_Pow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/838e76/32.png) [@Chairman\_Pow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chairman_Pow)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2004, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-right-thats-it-enough/122248/35 "2004-07-02T02:28:36Z")
> [@False\_God](#): > > And yes, more than a year later, thak you for agreeing with me. Well, shit. I should have checked the dates. You’ve been clearing minefields too long FG! ---
**Author:** ![buttonjockey308](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bcef8e/32.png) [@buttonjockey308](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/buttonjockey308)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2004, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-right-thats-it-enough/122248/36 "2004-07-02T06:11:27Z")
I’m taking applications to be on the team that kidnaps Carmen Electra. That is all. ---
**Author:** ![Abbie\_Carmichael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/49beb7/32.png) [@Abbie\_Carmichael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abbie_Carmichael)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2004, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-right-thats-it-enough/122248/37 "2004-07-02T13:15:43Z")
All we need now is for people to start paying businesses to hit them in the head with a cast-iron skillet and we will have officially Seen It All. ---
**Author:** ![Zhen\_ka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/ecccb3/32.png) [@Zhen\_ka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zhen_ka)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2004, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-right-thats-it-enough/122248/38 "2004-07-03T06:28:16Z")
> [@Una Persson](#): > > \*snip > > Now, correct me if I’m wrong here…a “Psychotherapist” is essentially a Communications major who couldn’t get that dream job at CNN they were sure was waiting for them after college, who chooses to one day call themselves a “psychotherapist” - while a “Psychiatrist” is a professional with a degree, right? At least, that’s how my ex-friend became a “Psychotherapist”… That’s a pretty snarky attitude, don’cha think? A psychotherapist has a PhD in psychology. A psychiatrist has an M.D. Can’t comment much on your “ex-friend’s” situation. Just don’t rag on these professions – communications majors, psychotherapists – because of your (presumably) negative experience with this “ex-friend.” Thank you. ps. I do agree with the rest of your post. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-right-thats-it-enough/122248.md?page=1)