# "All the smart ones turn out to be lesbian" **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [November 8, 2005, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-the-smart-ones-turn-out-to-be-lesbian/330003 "2005-11-08T03:09:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2005, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-the-smart-ones-turn-out-to-be-lesbian/330003/1 "2005-11-08T03:09:38Z")
Sometimes just a little offhand comment can make your day. This evening I was being chatted up in an IM by a tranny chaser who said he loved me for my mind (really knows how to sweet talk a girl). I loved the sweet talk, but then I finally had to break it to him. J \> I’ve been on a path of discovering how to be myself, and accept myself TC \> thats beautiful J \> That includes owning my sexual orientation J \> which is lesbian. TC \> oh no! all the smart ones turn out to be lesbian TC\> im disappointed 🙂 I feel like it’s the nicest compliment I’ve had all week! ---
**Author:** ![roger\_thornhill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d9b06d/32.png) [@roger\_thornhill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/roger_thornhill)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2005, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-the-smart-ones-turn-out-to-be-lesbian/330003/2 "2005-11-08T03:13:54Z")
It’s the cross-gender equivalent of the line that is guaranteed to warm the cockles of my heart: “Why are all the nicest/wittiest/most intelligent/sensitive etc. guys married?” ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2005, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-the-smart-ones-turn-out-to-be-lesbian/330003/3 "2005-11-08T03:20:38Z")
All the ones I want, don’t want me. ---
**Author:** ![roger\_thornhill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d9b06d/32.png) [@roger\_thornhill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/roger_thornhill)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2005, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-the-smart-ones-turn-out-to-be-lesbian/330003/4 "2005-11-08T03:23:27Z")
> [@Zebra](#): > > All the ones I want, don’t want me. God damn it, man, big stripey gender-neutral thing, whatever. Do you have to be so bloody honest? Some of us have built up layers of protection woven around thousands of carefully rehearsed excuses, and then you come in here casual as you like and do that. Shame on you, zir! ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2005, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-the-smart-ones-turn-out-to-be-lesbian/330003/5 "2005-11-08T03:35:52Z")
> [@roger thornhill](#): > > It’s the cross-gender equivalent of the line that is guaranteed to warm the cockles of my heart: “Why are all the nicest/wittiest/most intelligent/sensitive etc. guys married?” Well, the way I always hear it from women is “Why are all the nicest/wittiest/most intelligent/sensitive etc. guys married OR GAY?” ---
**Author:** ![roger\_thornhill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d9b06d/32.png) [@roger\_thornhill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/roger_thornhill)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2005, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-the-smart-ones-turn-out-to-be-lesbian/330003/6 "2005-11-08T03:57:05Z")
> [@Johanna](#): > > Well, the way I always hear it from women is “Why are all the nicest/wittiest/most intelligent/sensitive etc. guys married OR GAY?” They HAVE to say that, else the PC crowd are down on them like a ton of bricks. They don’t mean it… ---
**Author:** ![Anne\_Neville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Anne\_Neville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anne_Neville)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2005, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-the-smart-ones-turn-out-to-be-lesbian/330003/7 "2005-11-08T05:51:08Z")
> [@roger thornhill](#): > > They don’t mean it… I did ☹ For quite a while, all the guys I was attracted to ended up being taken, gay, or both. Mostly gay. I periodically still ask Mr. Neville if he’s sure he’s not gay… ---
**Author:** ![roger\_thornhill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d9b06d/32.png) [@roger\_thornhill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/roger_thornhill)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2005, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-the-smart-ones-turn-out-to-be-lesbian/330003/8 "2005-11-08T06:02:08Z")
> [@Anne Neville](#): > > I periodically still ask Mr. Neville if he’s sure he’s not gay… Well, we’re all on a cline, apparently, so just you be careful which way you tip it! And I would wager that Mr N is the best of the bunch, and it was well worth the wait. ---
**Author:** ![betenoir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/258eb7/32.png) [@betenoir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/betenoir)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2005, 7:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-the-smart-ones-turn-out-to-be-lesbian/330003/9 "2005-11-08T07:01:12Z")
> [@roger thornhill](#): > > They HAVE to say that, else the PC crowd are down on them like a ton of bricks. They don’t mean it… :dubious: No. We mean it. ---
**Author:** ![Anne\_Neville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Anne\_Neville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anne_Neville)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2005, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-the-smart-ones-turn-out-to-be-lesbian/330003/10 "2005-11-08T07:05:15Z")
> [@roger thornhill](#): > > I would wager that Mr N is the best of the bunch, and it was well worth the wait. Yes, he most definitely is, and it was. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Habanero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/d9b06d/32.png) [@Habanero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Habanero)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2005, 7:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-the-smart-ones-turn-out-to-be-lesbian/330003/11 "2005-11-08T07:20:01Z")
Men are like parking spots. All the good ones are taken and the rest are handicapped. ---
**Author:** ![roger\_thornhill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d9b06d/32.png) [@roger\_thornhill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/roger_thornhill)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2005, 9:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-the-smart-ones-turn-out-to-be-lesbian/330003/12 "2005-11-08T09:28:22Z")
> [@Habanero](#): > > Men are like parking spots. All the good ones are taken and the rest are handicapped. And women perchance like enterpreneusses cruising the streets constantly alert to tow the good ones away? ---
**Author:** ![Anastasaeon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/73ab20/32.png) [@Anastasaeon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anastasaeon)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2005, 9:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-the-smart-ones-turn-out-to-be-lesbian/330003/13 "2005-11-08T09:30:53Z")
> [@betenoir](#): > > :dubious: No. We mean it. Agreed. We do. ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2005, 10:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-the-smart-ones-turn-out-to-be-lesbian/330003/14 "2005-11-08T10:50:48Z")
_“Tranny chaser”_? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Siege](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dbc845/32.png) [@Siege](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siege)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2005, 11:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-the-smart-ones-turn-out-to-be-lesbian/330003/15 "2005-11-08T11:25:02Z")
Ah, yes! That’s what I love about Mensa – straight men who think intelligence is _sexy!!!_ A-h-h-h! Kind of like the SDMB, but with people standing in front of you and real, as opposed to virtual hugs and chocolate. I’ve got to admit, I went through a long phase when every guy who looked halfway interesting was spoken for. As for the ones who weren’t, we-ell, I could see why! CJ ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2005, 12:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-the-smart-ones-turn-out-to-be-lesbian/330003/16 "2005-11-08T12:05:52Z")
“Tranny chaser” is a gay guy who is attracted to MTF transgendered individuals. Since female-identified transwomen tend to be either heterosexual (attracted to straight men) or lesbian (attracted to queer women), most of us are not interested in dating gay guys. Those who are in play with a wider variety of sexual orientations may well like dating them, I guess. I know one Tgirl who is omnivorous in that respect. I think what most of us reject about the attention is it frames us as male when we don’t want to be male. I also get straight women who look upon me as a man and get attracted to me on that basis, but it couldn’t work out that way because I don’t want to be cast in a male role. Many transgendered MTFs can only find gainful employment as sex workers because they’re excluded from other jobs, and a lot of gay male-on-MTF hookups happen that way, on a commercial rather than romantic basis. In all fairness, most of the gay guys who have come on to me have been perfect gentlemen about it. I appreciate that, fellows. While I admit as an attention whore I enjoy the compliments, I don’t lead them on but always tell them where I stand right away. I enjoy the company of gay guys as friends. I’m not looking to date anyone now, anyway. I hope I haven’t offended or stereotyped anyone here, I believe in sorting my way through a complex jungle of sexual orientations with respect for all. What tickled me about the whole thing is the view that lesbians tend to be of higher intelligence! ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2005, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-the-smart-ones-turn-out-to-be-lesbian/330003/17 "2005-11-08T12:48:48Z")
Much obliged, **Johanna**. The :dubious: was because “tranny chaser” struck me as kinda derogatory, and while I’ve no axe to grind on behalf of those who’re interested in transwomen to the exclusion of biowomen, I thought it classless. However, if it’s a generally accepted term among those who have an interest, then fine. I’m certainly not going to get my BVDs contorted over the proper expression to use of a man who self-identifies as homosexual but wants to have sex with someone who is anatomically female, but can only get his head around it if the object of desire was born male. And as far as this goes: > [@Johanna](#): > > I think what most of us reject about the attention is it frames us as male when we don’t want to be male. I can understand that - and think that what the tranny-chaser ought to be looking for is a pre-op FTM if he wants boobage, or any kind of FTM if he’s not particular. However: > [@Johanna](#): > > What tickled me about the whole thing is the view that lesbians tend to be of higher intelligence! Regretfully I’m going to have to dock you five IQ points for this elementary logical fallacy. TC opines that “all the smart ones turn out to be lesbian”. You can’t get from “if A then B” to “if B then A”; tho’ intelligent ones are invariably lesbian, this doesn’t preclude the existence of a vast pool of dumbfuck lesbians dragging the average right back down. (The vast pool needn’t necessarily exist, of course; it’s only that the given implication doesn’t rule it out.) Ciao! ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2005, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-the-smart-ones-turn-out-to-be-lesbian/330003/18 "2005-11-08T13:12:50Z")
> [@Malacandra](#): > > “tranny chaser” struck me as kinda derogatory Yeah, I’m afraid it is. I’m sorry. If there were a nice way to say it, I would have used that, but no PC term for it has been invented yet. I’ve got nothing against the guys personally, like I said they’ve been gentlemen about it. Also, the anatomical status of transwomen might be either male or female, and basically you just don’t know unless she chooses to reveal it. As Dil said in _The Crying Game_, “A girl needs to have her secrets.” ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2005, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-the-smart-ones-turn-out-to-be-lesbian/330003/19 "2005-11-08T13:33:46Z")
> [@Johanna](#): > > Yeah, I’m afraid it is. I’m sorry. If there were a nice way to say it, I would have used that, but no PC term for it has been invented yet. I’ve got nothing against the guys personally, like I said they’ve been gentlemen about it. > > Also, the anatomical status of transwomen might be either male or female, and basically you just don’t know unless she chooses to reveal it. As Dil said in _The Crying Game_, “A girl needs to have her secrets.” ::shrug:: I don’t know that I’d necessarily be _uninterested_ in finding out - being no less prone to prurient curiosity than the average Doper - but you can take it that I’d be quite _disinterested_. (One reason for being a mild grammar Nazi is the existence of such useful shades of meaning.) I’ve personally known only two transwomen in my life, neither of whom would do a particularly good job of passing for biofemale. Of course, there’s a logical hole in my assertion right there… 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2005, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-the-smart-ones-turn-out-to-be-lesbian/330003/20 "2005-11-08T14:05:02Z")
Right, the ones who pass are the ones you _don’t know about_. You have no way to even estimate how many you’ve seen but didn’t clock. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-the-smart-ones-turn-out-to-be-lesbian/330003.md?page=2)