# "All the smart ones turn out to be lesbian" **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [November 8, 2005, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-the-smart-ones-turn-out-to-be-lesbian/330003 "2005-11-08T03:09:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2005, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-the-smart-ones-turn-out-to-be-lesbian/330003/21 "2005-11-08T14:11:16Z")
> [@Johanna](#): > > Right, the ones who pass are the ones you _don’t know about_. You have no way to even estimate how many you’ve seen but didn’t clock. Ka-_ching_! ::reinstates a couple of IQ points:: 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2005, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-the-smart-ones-turn-out-to-be-lesbian/330003/22 "2005-11-08T14:54:45Z")
> [@Johanna](#): > > Well, the way I always hear it from women is “Why are all the nicest/wittiest/most intelligent/sensitive etc. guys married OR GAY?” I hope the people who say that realize it’s a bit of a slap in the face to all the straight, single guys. ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2005, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-the-smart-ones-turn-out-to-be-lesbian/330003/23 "2005-11-08T15:00:10Z")
> [@Robot Arm](#): > > I hope the people who say that realize it’s a bit of a slap in the face to all the straight, single guys. Maybe, but who cares? 'Cos it’s, like, their own fault. The way I see it, you can either have someone who’s sensitive, funny, likes shoes and is really good with colours, or you can have someone who, if he woke up next to a female body (a living, breathing one, I hasten to add) would not go "Eww, gross! Ick!! :eek: :eek: :eek: ". You’d think that would be a no-brainer, but maybe not. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2005, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-the-smart-ones-turn-out-to-be-lesbian/330003/24 "2005-11-08T15:10:40Z")
> [@Malacandra](#): > > Maybe, but who cares? 'Cos it’s, like, their own fault. Oh, now that hurts. ---
**Author:** ![Sunspace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunspace/32/1250_2.png) [@Sunspace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunspace)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2005, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-the-smart-ones-turn-out-to-be-lesbian/330003/25 "2005-11-08T15:19:19Z")
> [@Siege](#): > > Ah, yes! That’s what I love about Mensa – straight men who think intelligence is _sexy!!!_ A-h-h-h! Kind of like the SDMB, but with people standing in front of you and real, as opposed to virtual hugs and chocolate. Right. That’s _it_. I’m joining Mensa [sub]assuming they’ll let me in[/sub]. Women who are not afraid to show–nay, flaunt, even–their intelligence? I am _so_ there! ): ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2005, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-the-smart-ones-turn-out-to-be-lesbian/330003/26 "2005-11-08T15:21:56Z")
> [@Robot Arm](#): > > Oh, now that hurts. I should probably have stuck a rolleyes in there somewhere. Being a formerly single straight male and not especially in touch with my feminine side, you should be able to guess where my sympathies lie. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2005, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-the-smart-ones-turn-out-to-be-lesbian/330003/27 "2005-11-08T16:54:00Z")
> [@roger thornhill](#): > > God damn it, man, big stripey gender-neutral thing, whatever. Do you have to be so bloody honest? Some of us have built up layers of protection woven around thousands of carefully rehearsed excuses, and then you come in here casual as you like and do that. Shame on you, zir! See! I have a crush on Roger Thornhill but now… I could have said, I would never join a club that would have someone like me as a member. (btw I am a straight man, seperated but not divorced yet, so I have no idea how women must classify me.) ---
**Author:** ![Anne\_Neville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Anne\_Neville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anne_Neville)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2005, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-the-smart-ones-turn-out-to-be-lesbian/330003/28 "2005-11-08T17:43:46Z")
> [@Robot Arm](#): > > I hope the people who say that realize it’s a bit of a slap in the face to all the straight, single guys. For me, it was more of a sad commentary on who I was attracted to. I never said _all_ the good men were gay or taken, just all the ones I was attracted to. ---
**Author:** ![Kythereia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e8c25b/32.png) [@Kythereia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kythereia)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2005, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-the-smart-ones-turn-out-to-be-lesbian/330003/29 "2005-11-08T17:47:09Z")
> [@Zebra](#): > > (btw I am a straight man, seperated but not divorced yet, so I have no idea how women must classify me.) As cute. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2005, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-the-smart-ones-turn-out-to-be-lesbian/330003/30 "2005-11-08T17:48:37Z")
I’d say I was quite a catch. But it seems I’m more of a catch and release. ---
**Author:** ![Kythereia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e8c25b/32.png) [@Kythereia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kythereia)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2005, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-the-smart-ones-turn-out-to-be-lesbian/330003/31 "2005-11-08T17:51:01Z")
> [@Zebra](#): > > I’d say I was quite a catch. > > But it seems I’m more of a catch and release. Well, shyeah. Who’d want to catch a zebra when they’re fishing? (Come by Toronto for a Dopefest sometime, I’ll buy you a drink.) ---
**Author:** ![Orual](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/779978/32.png) [@Orual](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orual)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2005, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-the-smart-ones-turn-out-to-be-lesbian/330003/32 "2005-11-09T01:04:24Z")
> [@Robot Arm](#): > > I hope the people who say that realize it’s a bit of a slap in the face to all the straight, single guys. It’s really more of a commentary on my own bad luck. ---
**Author:** ![roger\_thornhill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d9b06d/32.png) [@roger\_thornhill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/roger_thornhill)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2005, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-the-smart-ones-turn-out-to-be-lesbian/330003/33 "2005-11-09T01:16:20Z")
> [@Johanna](#): > > Right, the ones who pass are the ones you _don’t know about_. You have no way to even estimate how many you’ve seen but didn’t clock. Never underestimate the male heterosexual’s lesbodar. ---
**Author:** ![roger\_thornhill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d9b06d/32.png) [@roger\_thornhill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/roger_thornhill)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2005, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-the-smart-ones-turn-out-to-be-lesbian/330003/34 "2005-11-09T01:19:49Z")
> [@Zebra](#): > > See! I have a crush on Roger Thornhill but now…btw I am a straight man Makes no difference to me. Anyone who says nice things about me goes on my Buddy list. Finally up to 2… ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2005, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-the-smart-ones-turn-out-to-be-lesbian/330003/35 "2005-11-09T01:43:31Z")
I was talking about transdar rather than lesbodar. (Note, linguists, we have a new productive combining suffix _-dar_, a bound morpheme.) Different sexual orientations and gender identities can combine in any of various different ways. I think of them as nodes along energy networks rather than discrete containers. ---
**Author:** ![roger\_thornhill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d9b06d/32.png) [@roger\_thornhill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/roger_thornhill)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2005, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-the-smart-ones-turn-out-to-be-lesbian/330003/36 "2005-11-09T01:59:42Z")
> [@Johanna](#): > > Different sexual orientations and gender identities can combine in any of various different ways. I think of them as nodes along energy networks rather than discrete containers. Dearie, _everyone_ thinks of them like that these days! ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2005, 10:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-the-smart-ones-turn-out-to-be-lesbian/330003/37 "2005-11-09T10:41:32Z")
> [@Johanna](#): > > Right, the ones who pass are the ones you _don’t know about_. You have no way to even estimate how many you’ve seen but didn’t clock. Incidentally, the last sentence is patently incorrect. Mathematics is on my side, since I know for a fact that transwomen are rare. > [@Johanna](#): > > I think of them as nodes along energy networks rather than discrete containers. “Luminous creatures we are…” ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2005, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-the-smart-ones-turn-out-to-be-lesbian/330003/38 "2005-11-10T01:59:23Z")
> [@Johanna](#): > > “Tranny chaser” is a gay guy who is attracted to MTF transgendered individuals. ! Really? It’s been my experience that most tranny chasers (yes, it’s an ugly and demeaning term. There is a reason for this) were men who were straight or heavily in denial. The average gay man tends to want another man, not a woman. Tranny chasers in general have thoroughly objectified transexuals. They seek an MTF not as a partner or even a person but as the living, breathing embodiment of their sexual fantasies. To a tranny chaser, a transexual is a blow up doll with a pulse. The situation is analogous to an American man who will only date Asian women based on the stereotypes he’s picked up from porn and kung fu B movies. ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2005, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-the-smart-ones-turn-out-to-be-lesbian/330003/39 "2005-11-10T02:23:24Z")
> [@Siege](#): > > Ah, yes! That’s what I love about Mensa – straight men who think intelligence is sexy!!! A-h-h-h! Kind of like the SDMB, but with people standing in front of you and real, as opposed to virtual hugs and chocolate. Argh. As a straight male, Mensa is horrible for me. There’s no girls my age there ( i’m not saying they’re not able to join, just that they don’t seem as likely to want to go to events), and all the older woman think i’m “sweet”. If there’s one thing a teenage guy wants to be described as, it’s not “sweet”. ☹😛 Actually, to tie in with the OP, it seems that quite a lot of the people in Mensa in my area are homosexual- at the very least, a larger proportion than there is in the general population. ---
**Author:** ![roger\_thornhill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d9b06d/32.png) [@roger\_thornhill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/roger_thornhill)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2005, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-the-smart-ones-turn-out-to-be-lesbian/330003/40 "2005-11-10T02:35:06Z")
> [@DocCathode](#): > > The average gay man tends to want another man, not a woman. Some gay men may consider a MTF transsexual to be still essentially male, especially if, as is typically the case, the transsexual still has his manhood intact. > [@Doc](#): > > The situation is analogous to an American man who will only date Asian women based on the stereotypes he’s picked up from porn and kung fu B movies. Well, I’m not American, but I’m Gaelic-Norman, which is close enough. There _are_ other factors involved too, like long hair, slim build, compliant personality (somehow the wife lost out on this one - one of us should ask for their money back), simpering appreciation of the culture, civilisation, humour and fairness of the westerner, virgin till marriage, and incredible in bed. May have missed a few. **Mallers** , “…are we” - not that it much crudely matters. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-the-smart-ones-turn-out-to-be-lesbian/330003.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-the-smart-ones-turn-out-to-be-lesbian/330003.md?page=3)