# All these men.... **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [December 12, 2017, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-these-men/804284 "2017-12-12T15:36:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![corkboard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@corkboard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/corkboard)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2017, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-these-men/804284/41 "2017-12-14T18:11:07Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > ☹ > > Society as a whole take sexual assualt on males much less seriously than on women or young children—Spacey’s victims were either late teens or young adults. In what universe is a 14 year old a late teen or young adult? ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2017, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-these-men/804284/42 "2017-12-14T19:43:24Z")
> [@Dangerosa](#): > > Some of it also depends on if we’ve just had a sea change moment, or if when this moment is done, we go back to business as usual. > > If this has been a sea change moment, then comparisions to anyone who had accusations leveled against them prior to 2017 are moot. I wonder this too. I’m skeptical. It’s hard when you’ve seen 30 years of status quo to ever expect anything to change. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2017, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-these-men/804284/43 "2017-12-14T19:54:20Z")
> [@convextech](#): > > Personally, all these women coming out after the fact is getting ridiculous, and I’m a female. > > If you can’t stand up and point it out the minute it happens, you shouldn’t be allowed to come back years later and ruin somebody’s career over it. You being silent gave them a free pass. > > JMHO. Your opinion contradicts the law, in many cases. I was molested when I was 11 through age 17ish. The story came out at age 17 and I still get shit from my family for not saying anything sooner, now that they believe me. I wish I’d never said anything, sometimes, because it had no impact on anything but my own reputation. And you wonder why we don’t come forward. Nobody will ever cease to make victims’ lives a living hell no matter how they respond. It’s never at the right time, it’s never in the right way, I never did the thing some people think I should have done in their own clueless hypothetical invention of what they would do. SSDD. This is why I never expect anything to change. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2017, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-these-men/804284/44 "2017-12-14T20:03:49Z")
> [@Icarus](#): > > I find the story of Arnold Schwarzenegger instructive. > > If my memory serves, while he was running for Governor of California stories of his history of groping resulting in the nickname “The Gropenator”. This was widely used in the media, and the Doonesbury comic strip used it for a number of story lines. > > He survived the accusations, and it did not impact his political or entertainment career. > > Due to the current climate, he may still have his “time in the barrel”, as they say, but I suspect he will be unscathed. > > So, I suspect that after a period of time, many of these folks will be “rehabilitated” back into their careers. I’ve got a buddy who’s been disheartened by all the people he respects who have been outed for this kind of behavior. The other day we were talking in a group setting and he starts going on and on about how he got to work out with Arnold a couple times, and he’s such a great guy, and how Arnold is really his hero. I didn’t have the heart to tell him. ---
**Author:** ![NDP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ndp/32/55_2.png) [@NDP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NDP)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2017, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-these-men/804284/45 "2017-12-14T20:34:33Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > Weinstein is a deeply sick individual. It seems like he has severe rage issues towards everyone on top of his mistreatment of women. After hearing the stories from people like Selma Hayek it amazes me that there was anyone who was on friendly terms with him even if they didn’t know what he was doing towards women. How the hell did it take Ronan Farrow to bring this to light? For the record, what is Harvey Weinstein’s height? I know people have said he uses his size to intimidate people but is only due to the fact he’s fat or is he tall as well? Anyway, Weinstein seems like a childhood bully who never reformed because no one firmly told him no or physically kicked his ass. As a result, he’s come to think he can do whatever he wants and is unbounded by the social rules and laws that restrain the rest of us. It wouldn’t be surprising if this attitude affected his behavior toward women. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2017, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-these-men/804284/46 "2017-12-14T20:51:04Z")
> [@DrCube](#): > > Part of it is whether they care to come back. A lot of them are already multimillionaires. Isn’t Weinstein a billionaire? It’s not like these guys are losing their livelihood and have to go back to hustling on the street, and many of them are already near retirement age. It’s more of an insult to them that they lost their jobs than a serious financial difficulty. I can imagine some of them might just say “Screw it, I don’t need to work anymore. I’ll just go pout in one of my mansions, surrounded by gorgeous models”. It’s even worse for them, when money no longer matters it’s your legacy that keeps you going. I’m sure most of them would happily give up their riches if it would give them back a good name. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2017, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-these-men/804284/47 "2017-12-14T20:57:51Z")
I’m going to try really hard to feel sorry for… Uuurgh… Nope. Can’t do it. Unless any of these accusations result in conviction (maybe likely with Weinstein) I doubt it will be much more than a hard couple of years for any of them. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2017, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-these-men/804284/48 "2017-12-14T23:48:27Z")
> [@NDP](#): > > For the record, what is Harvey Weinstein’s height? I know people have said he uses his size to intimidate people but is only due to the fact he’s fat or is he tall as well? > > Anyway, Weinstein seems like a childhood bully who never reformed because no one firmly told him no or physically kicked his ass. As a result, he’s come to think he can do whatever he wants and is unbounded by the social rules and laws that restrain the rest of us. It wouldn’t be surprising if this attitude affected his behavior toward women. He’s about 6 feet and 300 pounds. He doesn’t appear to be athletic. I can see how his size and rage would intimidate a small person like Selma Hayek but he’s also acted like a compete asshole to men. I’m very surprised he hasn’t gotten his ass kicked before. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2017, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-these-men/804284/49 "2017-12-15T02:36:55Z")
Apparently Brad Pitt did. ---
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2017, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-these-men/804284/50 "2017-12-15T02:54:43Z")
> [@RealityChuck](#): > > People do come back from these things, but it depends on what was alleged. [Marv Albert](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marv_Albert#Sexual_assault_charges) was back on the air two years after a sexual assault case, for instance. > > Of course, attitudes have changed, so it will take longer for people to forget. Still, it’s quite possible that in ten years both Spacey and Franken will be back in the public eye. Lauer and Weinstein won’t – mostly because they were so egregious. And yet nobody is running towards Bill Cosby with millions of dollars in development money to finance his next t.v. or film project. And they won’t. He drugged and raped women for decades. People don’t forget at all. They need to turn a blind eye because it’s a lot simpler to ignore the horrific in those we idolize than to recognize the horrific as a universal constant, thus robbing ourselves of those we idolize. ---
**Author:** ![Ulfreida](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ulfreida/32/8014_2.png) [@Ulfreida](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ulfreida)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2017, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-these-men/804284/51 "2017-12-15T02:57:22Z")
> [@convextech](#): > > Personally, all these women coming out after the fact is getting ridiculous, and I’m a female. > > If you can’t stand up and point it out the minute it happens, you shouldn’t be allowed to come back years later and ruin somebody’s career over it. You being silent gave them a free pass. > > JMHO. That is a despicable and callous statement. I hope you never have to experience why. ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2017, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-these-men/804284/52 "2017-12-15T03:28:22Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > I wonder this too. I’m skeptical. It’s hard when you’ve seen 30 years of status quo to ever expect anything to change. I am as well. I suspect we will jump forward, face a backlash, and end up about a step forward from where we were before all of this. But I think we will net out with positive change. ---
**Author:** ![dorvann](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df705f/32.png) [@dorvann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dorvann)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2017, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-these-men/804284/53 "2017-12-15T04:03:47Z")
I question what talent Harvey Weinstein actually has that would warrant a comeback. He has no acting talent. He has no directing talent. What could he possibly contribute? The weird part in all of this is that Steven Seagal will still be in Russia and Eastern Europe making his crappy Direct to DVD movies when vastly more talented individuals are being run out of the entertainment industry. As a now openly gay man, Kevin Spacey has much more limited options to work overseas than he did before. Other individuals might have more luck working overseas. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2017, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-these-men/804284/54 "2017-12-15T05:22:30Z")
> [@Dangerosa](#): > > I am as well. I suspect we will jump forward, face a backlash, and end up about a step forward from where we were before all of this. But I think we will net out with positive change. What “backlash” do you expect? ---
**Author:** ![Machine\_Elf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Machine\_Elf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machine_Elf)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2017, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-these-men/804284/55 "2017-12-15T13:15:59Z")
> [@Cartooniverse](#): > > And yet nobody is running towards Bill Cosby with millions of dollars in development money to finance his next t.v. or film project. Part (or even all) of that may be because he’s 80, mostly blind, and is reportedly showing early signs of dementia; it’s a bad financial risk to build a project around someone in that condition. ---
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2017, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-these-men/804284/56 "2017-12-15T14:52:38Z")
> [@Machine\_Elf](#): > > Part (or even all) of that may be because he’s 80, mostly blind, and is reportedly showing early signs of dementia; it’s a bad financial risk to build a project around someone in that condition. You know what the cure for blindness and dementia is? Being found innocent on all charges. Sent from my SM-N910V using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2017, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-these-men/804284/57 "2017-12-15T15:57:51Z")
> [@Dangerosa](#): > > I am as well. I suspect we will jump forward, face a backlash, and end up about a step forward from where we were before all of this. But I think we will net out with positive change. > [@AK84](#): > > What “backlash” do you expect? Men not hiring women, women being excluded from some business gatherings, that sort of thing - basically, men who take the approach that if you keep the women away you won’t have this sort of problem rather than addressing the root causes. That’s what I expect will happen to some degree. There are still a lot of powerful men who think they have a “right” to certain things are who are happy to punish the “troublemakers” rather than clean up the system. ---
**Author:** ![NDP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ndp/32/55_2.png) [@NDP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NDP)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2017, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-these-men/804284/58 "2017-12-15T20:36:36Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > Men not hiring women, women being excluded from some business gatherings, that sort of thing - basically, men who take the approach that if you keep the women away you won’t have this sort of problem rather than addressing the root causes. That’s what I expect will happen to some degree. There are still a lot of powerful men who think they have a “right” to certain things are who are happy to punish the “troublemakers” rather than clean up the system. I doubt that will happen for the simple fact that what you’re talking about is now illegal under local, state, and federal law. Unless there’s a massive reactionary political wave similar to what’s depicted in “The Handmaid’s Tale”, men are just going to have to learn how to deal with women in the workplace without having to display their dicks in public. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-these-men/804284.md?page=2)