# All Things NFC East 2005 **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 17, 2005, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-things-nfc-east-2005/326566 "2005-10-17T06:01:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Bearflag70](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Bearflag70](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bearflag70)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2005, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-things-nfc-east-2005/326566/21 "2005-10-18T16:43:52Z")
> [@soulmurk](#): > > You called a timeout after first down, so during second down they should only be able to run off another 6 or so seconds for the actual play, because they start second down with the clock stopped. > > The way I’m seeing it is: > > 1st down conversion: 2:00 warning, clock stops > Run play on first down: 1:54, call a timeout, clock stops > Run play on second down: 1:48 left, clock runs > Run play on third down: 1:08 left > Punt: :58 left You are missing :40 that would be run off the clock between the end of third down and the start of 4th down. Like this… 1st down conversion: 2:00 warning, clock stops Snap ball to start 1st down: 2:00 1st down play ends: 1:54 Call a timeout, clock stops: 1:54 Snap ball to begin 2nd down: 1:54 2nd down play ends: 1:48, clock runs Offense stalls: 1:08 Snap ball to begin 3rd down: 1:08 **3rd down play ends: 1:02, clock runs Offense stalls: 0:22** Snap ball to begin 4th down: 0:22 4th down punt play ends: 0:12 Change of possession: 0:12, clock stops ---
**Author:** ![Bearflag70](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Bearflag70](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bearflag70)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2005, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-things-nfc-east-2005/326566/22 "2005-10-18T20:23:37Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > Sorry to hear about Adams, **Bearflag70**. Football players are getting _too_ strong and _too_ good. There are too many injuries out there. Potentially… HUGE blow. The huge factor in Dallas’ offensive productivity has been pass protection. With Adams out, we’ll see how it affects the number of sacks, hurries, throwaways, batted balls, incompletions, interceptions, and QB fumbles resulting from penetration from the left side… not to mention false starts and holding calls. AAACK! ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2005, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-things-nfc-east-2005/326566/23 "2005-10-19T05:44:06Z")
> [@Bearflag70](#): > > Potentially… HUGE blow. > > The huge factor in Dallas’ offensive productivity has been pass protection. With Adams out, we’ll see how it affects the number of sacks, hurries, throwaways, batted balls, incompletions, interceptions, and QB fumbles resulting from penetration from the left side… not to mention false starts and holding calls. AAACK! Definitely going to need to adjust – Flozell is a big part of that offensive line. I hope they can adjust fast and replace him with somebody who can get the job done. One other possibility mentioned [in this article](http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/DAL/8976398): > [@](#): > > Parcells also said he’ll consider moving someone from elsewhere on the line to fill what’s considered the most important spot because it protects the quarterback’s blind side. The main options are left guard Larry Allen and rookie Rob Petitti. ---
**Author:** ![MysteryFellow63427](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e4f/32.png) [@MysteryFellow63427](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MysteryFellow63427)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2005, 7:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-things-nfc-east-2005/326566/24 "2005-10-19T07:49:16Z")
> [@Bearflag70](#): > > If your opponent gets a 1st down at ANY TIME on the game clock during the Magic Window, you will want to call time out. Otherwise, your opponent is able to control/waste the ENTIRE Magic Window of :40, plus several seconds after the 2:00 warning. Wonderful explanation, **Bearflag70**! I think MagicWindow, btw, would make an excellent username. I also agree with most of your projections. San Diego over Philly, Washington over SF, and Denver over NYG look good. But I think Seattle has to be a good favorite against Dallas. If I were setting the line, I’d put it at 4 1/2 or 5 for Seattle. But Dallas could easily take it. I think the easiest win for the NFC East next weekend has to be Washington, though. 😃 Anyway, if the division continues to scrape out wins, we could have some interesting and exciting late season matchups: * * * WEEK 14 Sunday, Dec. 11 N.Y. Giants at Philadelphia WEEK 15 Sunday, Dec. 18 Dallas at Washington (This came could be huge. **HUGE!!!** ) WEEK 16 Saturday, Dec. 24 N.Y. Giants at Washington WEEK 17 Sunday, Jan. 1 Washington at Philadelphia * * * I just realized Washington is going to play all other division members in the last three weeks of the season. Wow. That’s wild. I’m vaguely disappointed that the entire division isn’t playing each other in two games in one of these closing weekends. I always like a weekend of hot conference action late in the season. The game may have serious playoff importance to both the teams in it, and if not, one team has the chance to play spoiler to its divisional rival. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2005, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-things-nfc-east-2005/326566/25 "2005-10-19T14:29:06Z")
> [@neuroman](#): > > I always like a weekend of hot conference action Well, you could always sign up for the Minnesota Vikings’ cruise… ---
**Author:** ![Bearflag70](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Bearflag70](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bearflag70)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2005, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-things-nfc-east-2005/326566/26 "2005-10-19T15:50:54Z")
Here’s a question that sort of came up in one of the other threads… **Do you have pride in the NFC East?** In other words, do you hope the Division as a whole does well or is represented well in the post-season? Do you root for other Division teams when your team is eliminated from the playoff picture? Personally, my answer is, “no way in hell am I rooting for other Division teams ever!” When Dallas is in the picture, I want all other Division teams to be clobbered and shut-out every week. When Dallas is out, same thing. On the other hand, it makes me more proud of Dallas to win in a tough division as opposed to the candy-ass 49ers who racked up wins in the old NFC West for so long. ---
**Author:** ![MysteryFellow63427](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e4f/32.png) [@MysteryFellow63427](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MysteryFellow63427)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2005, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-things-nfc-east-2005/326566/27 "2005-10-19T16:07:12Z")
> [@Bearflag70](#): > > Personally, my answer is, “no way in hell am I rooting for other Division teams ever!” Division _pride_? Who came up with that idea? 😛 I MIGHT be able to hold my nose and not cheer _against_ the Giants if they were playing some AFC team I particularly loathed in the superbowl… but currently there isn’t any AFC team I dislike that much. About the only pride I have is that when the other teams are doing well, it makes it that much sweeter to beat them. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2005, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-things-nfc-east-2005/326566/28 "2005-10-19T16:25:29Z")
My father would talk about Division Pride in baseball. When the Yankees wouldn’t make it, he’d want any non-Red Sox team from the AL East to win. His theory was that the reason the Yankees didn’t make it was because the competition was hardest in our league. I don’t agree. I will root for hated teams, like the Cowgirls, if a Cowgirls win will help the **Giants** position within their division. If a 4-10 Dallas is playing a 10-4 Eagles and the **Giants** are also 10-4, of course I want Dallas to win! ---
**Author:** ![Bearflag70](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Bearflag70](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bearflag70)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2005, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-things-nfc-east-2005/326566/29 "2005-10-19T17:05:57Z")
> [@Bearflag70](#): > > “no way in hell am I rooting for other Division teams ever!” **D\_Odds** makes a good point. I hereby amend the above quote to state, “no way in hell am I rooting for other Division teams ever _unless doing so benefits my team_.” ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2005, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-things-nfc-east-2005/326566/30 "2005-10-19T18:43:13Z")
> [@Bearflag70](#): > > Personally, my answer is, “no way in hell am I rooting for other Division teams ever!” When Dallas is in the picture, I want all other Division teams to be clobbered and shut-out every week. When Dallas is out, same thing. > > On the other hand, it makes me more proud of Dallas to win in a tough division as opposed to the candy-ass 49ers who racked up wins in the old NFC West for so long. Well, I’m proud to see that the Cowboys are currently on top of what appears to be, at the moment, the strongest division in the NFL. But to root for, say… the Eagles? Ever…? Are you on crack?!! I’m with you – I’m happy to see the other division teams go down in flames often enough to put the 'Boys atop the division. The only other NFC East team that I might enjoy seeing win a game from time to time would be the Giants. And I despise the Eagles – I would be overjoyed to see them lose embarrassingly every week. ---
**Author:** ![Try\_As\_I\_Might](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ea666f/32.png) [@Try\_As\_I\_Might](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try_As_I_Might)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2005, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-things-nfc-east-2005/326566/31 "2005-10-19T19:31:37Z")
when the redskins and eagles play, I generally hope somehow the refs find a way that allows both teams to lose. I dunno, maybe like a bench-clearing brawl where both teams forfeit and they both lose. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2005, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-things-nfc-east-2005/326566/32 "2005-10-19T19:37:48Z")
> [@Try As I Might...](#): > > when the redskins and eagles play, I generally hope somehow the refs find a way that allows both teams to lose. I dunno, maybe like a bench-clearing brawl where both teams forfeit and they both lose. You’re too kind. I usually hope that the earth will open up and they will be sucked down into the nether regions of Hell from whence they came… 😃 Did I mention… Go Cowboys!!! ---
**Author:** ![Madd\_Maxx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Madd\_Maxx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Madd_Maxx)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2005, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-things-nfc-east-2005/326566/33 "2005-10-19T23:29:38Z")
See, the only two teams I root for are the Redskins and who ever is playing against Dallas. I have no vitrol per se towards Philly or the Giants, but their losing is usually beneficial to the Redskins so there aren’t many circumstances where I would root for them either. ---
**Author:** ![soulmurk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b782af/32.png) [@soulmurk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/soulmurk)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2005, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-things-nfc-east-2005/326566/34 "2005-10-20T00:39:23Z")
> [@Madd Maxx](#): > > See, the only two teams I root for are the Redskins and who ever is playing against Dallas. I have no vitrol per se towards Philly or the Giants, but their losing is usually beneficial to the Redskins so there aren’t many circumstances where I would root for them either. Hear here! Though I have been known to root for the Giants or Philly when the Skins were out of the picture. But not usually. Bad karma, that. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2005, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-things-nfc-east-2005/326566/35 "2005-10-20T01:24:04Z")
My situation is a bit more nuanced. As long as the Giants don’t need help from other teams, I like to see the division pummel the rest of the league. Remember now, I’m talking about the Giants being in control of their own playoff picture. I hate the Eagles, and always root for the fabled lightning strike that splits into 11 forks as it hits the field and fries every Eagle player at the line. But the Cowboys and Redskins? I root for them to lose to the Giants, and also for them to beat up on the scrubs. Winning a soft division is nothing to brag about. In playoffs and Superbowls, no, I don’t root for divisional opponents when the Giants are out. But, I do look back after the fact and enjoy a sense of pride of the division at the accomplishment. Only an NFC East fan can point back to four consecutive Superbowl wins by three teams in their division. That’s something to take pride in, (though not during the actual games, of course) , unless, of course, you’re a fan of the hapless and pathetic Eagles, who are clearly the underachieving redheaded stepchild of the division. ---
**Author:** ![soulmurk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b782af/32.png) [@soulmurk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/soulmurk)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2005, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-things-nfc-east-2005/326566/36 "2005-10-20T03:13:07Z")
> [@Ellis Dee](#): > > I hate the Eagles, and always root for the fabled lightning strike that splits into 11 forks as it hits the field and fries every Eagle player at the line. I don’t know about that. Maybe we’d have a better chance at hoping for one single stroke of lightning that hits Owens and fuses his lips together? In hindsight, I think I’d agree with you about division pride… after the fact. Except for the 'Girls. I have a deep-seated loathing of them and anyone associated with them that most people reserve for something like an IRS audit. Thank goodness no high profile and flamboyant Dallas players ever transitioned over to Washington, or I’d probably have to block out those seasons altogether. As far as the strength of the East goes, does anyone else feel like their appearance of being a hard division is exactly that, an appearance? I mean, every team has a winning record, but I can’t help but feel that the way they’ve all been playing, none of the teams really deserve to be above .500. Still, it is nice to see some competition in the division again. ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2005, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-things-nfc-east-2005/326566/37 "2005-10-20T03:55:41Z")
Cheer for another NFC East team? Yeah, right after I do my sister anal. Familiarity breeds contempt. We get to see these teams often enough that we remember the times they burned us, all the bad behavior, the digs, the times they cost us, etc. Wins aren’t just logged… they’re strutted. Outside the division it’s often just another good team with respected players, heads up ball, no bad blood and the team with the best plan and players wins. One’s a sport while the other is a religion. ---
**Author:** ![Bearflag70](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Bearflag70](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bearflag70)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2005, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-things-nfc-east-2005/326566/38 "2005-10-20T04:45:20Z")
Here are the Week 6 power rankings: ```auto NFL.com ESPN CBS Fox SI Dal (10) Phil (6) Phil (5) NYG (5) Phil (5) Phil (11) Dal (7) Dal (6) Dal (9) Dal (7) NYG (Top 19) NYG (14) Wash (14) Phil (10) Wash (15) Wash (Top 19) Wash (16) NYG (16) Wash (17) NYG (16) ``` ---
**Author:** ![Bearflag70](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Bearflag70](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bearflag70)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2005, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-things-nfc-east-2005/326566/39 "2005-10-20T05:42:28Z")
> [@soulmurk](#): > > Thank goodness no high profile and flamboyant Dallas players ever transitioned over to Washington, or I’d probably have to block out those seasons altogether. You must have completely blocked out 2000 to 2003. ---
**Author:** ![soulmurk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b782af/32.png) [@soulmurk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/soulmurk)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2005, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-things-nfc-east-2005/326566/40 "2005-10-20T06:01:37Z")
> [@Bearflag70](#): > > Here are the Week 6 power rankings: > > ```auto > > NFL.com ESPN CBS Fox SI > Dal (10) Phil (6) Phil (5) NYG (5) Phil (5) > Phil (11) Dal (7) Dal (6) Dal (9) Dal (7) > NYG (Top 19) NYG (14) Wash (14) Phil (10) Wash (15) > Wash (Top 19) Wash (16) NYG (16) Wash (17) NYG (16) > > ``` I check out the power rankings each and every week, and each and every week I ask myself why I bother. They seem so completely arbitrary and biased. For instance, in the Prisco rankings: the Iggles moved up 4 spots to number 5… without even having played a game. The Falcons moved up 3 spots, even though they almost (and probably should have) lost to the lowly Saints. The Chargers jump up 4 spots for beating up the hapless Raiders. Even Seattle jumps up 4 spots for picking on the winless Texans. Meanwhile, Pittsburgh drops 7 spots for losing to a good team. In all fairness, Pitt sucked eggs with Maddox at the helm, but it’s unfair that Pitt gets trampled in the rankings for losing a hard fought game, while a team with the week off jumps up 4 spots. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-things-nfc-east-2005/326566.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-things-nfc-east-2005/326566.md?page=3)