# All this panic. (Dockworkers strike) **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [October 3, 2024, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-this-panic-dockworkers-strike/1008420 "2024-10-03T19:57:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2024, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-this-panic-dockworkers-strike/1008420/1 "2024-10-03T19:57:55Z")
How is this sane? I always keep extra stuff. I don’t think TP is gonna run out here or nationally. ---
**Author:** ![Seanette](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/seanette/32/9139_2.png) [@Seanette](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seanette)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2024, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-this-panic-dockworkers-strike/1008420/2 "2024-10-03T20:43:20Z")
I think a lot of people are remembering the shortages and supply problems of 2020. I confess to having a bit of that particular almost post-traumatic response myself. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2024, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-this-panic-dockworkers-strike/1008420/3 "2024-10-03T20:48:26Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > I don’t think TP is gonna run out here or nationally. We don’t import TP. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2024, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-this-panic-dockworkers-strike/1008420/4 "2024-10-03T20:51:43Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > We don’t import TP. Cut it out with the facts, we’re trying to panic over here. I got 2 50lb bags of flour and 10 cases of water. ---
**Author:** ![Hari\_Seldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hari_seldon/32/5173_2.png) [@Hari\_Seldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hari_Seldon)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2024, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-this-panic-dockworkers-strike/1008420/5 "2024-10-03T20:54:58Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > I got 2 50lb bags of flour and 10 cases of water. Neither is imported. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2024, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-this-panic-dockworkers-strike/1008420/6 "2024-10-03T20:56:06Z")
I only drink French water. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2024, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-this-panic-dockworkers-strike/1008420/7 "2024-10-03T20:57:05Z")
I’m going to stock up on American cheese, barbecue, and apple pie. ---
**Author:** ![chappachula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d2c977/32.png) [@chappachula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chappachula)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2024, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-this-panic-dockworkers-strike/1008420/8 "2024-10-03T20:57:28Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > I got 2 50lb bags of flour and 10 cases of water. > [@Hari\_Seldon](#): > > Neither is imported. But what if you need fine French flour, and Perrier water? [Bakers: 6 good reasons to choose French flours in United States! - Bakery Distribution Warehouse](https://bakery-distribution.com/news/bakers-6-good-reasons-to-choose-french-flours-in-united-states/#:~:text=French%20millers%20use%20a%20milling,))%2C%20resulting%20in%20smoother%20doughs. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2024, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-this-panic-dockworkers-strike/1008420/9 "2024-10-03T21:03:11Z")
> [@Hari\_Seldon](#): > > Neither is imported. More unnecessary facts during this time of panic. You’ll be sorry when these drums of hand sanitizer and cases of face masks payoff. I’m WAY ahead of the curve this time. ---
**Author:** ![Plutonium\_Chef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/plutonium_chef/32/11211_2.png) [@Plutonium\_Chef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plutonium_Chef)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2024, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-this-panic-dockworkers-strike/1008420/10 "2024-10-03T21:09:22Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > > [@Beckdawrek](#): > > > > I don’t think TP is gonna run out here or nationally. > > We don’t import TP. We did during the COVID-19. I bought a 6-pack of TP from _Peru_ (which I needed, and saved the wrapper) and a 4-pack labeled in _Italian_ (didn’t _need_ it, but I wanted the wrapper as a souvenir). Note: I live in Iowa. The local supermarket chain (Hy-Vee) decided to schlepp imported TP to the middle of the continent! What a crazy country! What a crazy time! ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2024, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-this-panic-dockworkers-strike/1008420/11 "2024-10-03T21:24:24Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > How is this sane? It’s not > [@Beckdawrek](#): > > I always keep extra stuff. > I don’t think TP is gonna run out here or nationally. You know the saying that generals are always fighting the last war? People are always prepping for the last crisis and not the current one. ---
**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2024, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-this-panic-dockworkers-strike/1008420/12 "2024-10-03T21:30:52Z")
I still can’t figure out why toilet paper is the one thing people start hoarding. I mean it’s inconvenient to run out, but I just can’t see it as panic inducing. ---
**Author:** ![ftg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ftg/32/2801_2.png) [@ftg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ftg)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2024, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-this-panic-dockworkers-strike/1008420/13 "2024-10-03T22:07:33Z")
Searching turned up this quote: “Roughly 99% of toilet paper Americans use is made in the United States.” \* It’s that other 1% that makes this full panic mode! And what little that is imported comes from Canada, Mexico and Asia (and west coast ports are not affected). But still, Panic! \* One does wonder where the TP Americans _don’t_ use comes from. ---
**Author:** ![dougrb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/76d3ee/32.png) [@dougrb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougrb)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2024, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-this-panic-dockworkers-strike/1008420/14 "2024-10-03T22:08:04Z")
Just checked and my booze is made in Louisville, KY. WHEW! ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2024, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-this-panic-dockworkers-strike/1008420/15 "2024-10-03T22:11:28Z")
The head of the union is apparently a big Trump supporter that announced a year ago that he was going to try to influence the election. Their demands are crazy, probably intentionally so that it drags out for a while. I’m nominally a pro union guy, but these guys apparently average 150k and are demanding a 70% pay bump. Also, to never automate. Fuck them, get whatever robots are used in Rotterdam asap. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2024, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-this-panic-dockworkers-strike/1008420/16 "2024-10-03T22:36:42Z")
Shit, shows what I know: [x.com](https://x.com/michellelprice/status/1841968293814673570) ---
**Author:** ![crazyjoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f14d63/32.png) [@crazyjoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crazyjoe)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2024, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-this-panic-dockworkers-strike/1008420/17 "2024-10-03T22:59:26Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > I’m nominally a pro union guy, but these guys apparently average 150k and are demanding a 70% pay bump They make 150k due to shit loads of overtime. The top rate is 39 bucks an hour. Entry rate is 20. It’s 70 percent over 6 years, which is less than 10 percent a year (yes you read that right) which seems like a much more reasonable number. It all depends who presents the number. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2024, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-this-panic-dockworkers-strike/1008420/18 "2024-10-03T23:16:17Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Shit, shows what I know: [x.com](https://x.com/michellelprice/status/1841968293814673570) For those unwilling or unable to click through: a tentative deal was reached this afternoon, and the strike has been suspended until at least January 15th. > **[Dockworkers suspend strike after reaching tentative deal until Jan. 15](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/port-strike-ends-tentative-deal-until-jan-15-dockworkers/)** > > The strike had shut down 14 ports along the East and Gulf coasts since Tuesday. ---
**Author:** ![Duckster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duckster/32/1244_2.png) [@Duckster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duckster)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2024, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-this-panic-dockworkers-strike/1008420/19 "2024-10-03T23:23:39Z")
The strike is over. I wonder if Guido and Louie had a chat with the Union boss and management head and made them offers they couldn’t refuse … > **[Striking port workers to return to work Friday as negotiators reach an...](https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/03/business/port-strike-union-deal/index.html)** > > Striking members of the International Longshoremen’s Association will be back to work at the ports on Friday, the union announced Thursday evening, as the union and the management group representing shipping lines, terminal operators and port... ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2024, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-this-panic-dockworkers-strike/1008420/20 "2024-10-03T23:25:54Z")
My anger was mostly about what I thought was a political tactic. Since it seems not to be the case (or am I speaking too soon again?) then yeah, negotiate for what you can get. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-this-panic-dockworkers-strike/1008420.md?page=2)