# All you have is the hope that maybe you're not causing the end of the world. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 22, 2012, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-you-have-is-the-hope-that-maybe-youre-not-causing-the-end-of-the-world/616461 "2012-03-22T01:50:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Zagzigger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Zagzigger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zagzigger)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2012, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-you-have-is-the-hope-that-maybe-youre-not-causing-the-end-of-the-world/616461/21 "2012-03-26T06:32:25Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > And that is a big fat lie from you, as shown in the video, there is now a team of hockey sticks made by other researchers. > > It is you that just showed how an ignoramus you are and clearly you are just relying on stupid unscientific sources. And your sources are? And have you checked mine - especially “MIke’ Nature Trick”. They had to admit it - it’s in the emails. See: _I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) amd from 1961 for Keith’s to hide the decline._ “Hide the decline” refers to the tree ring data showing a declining temperature, while all along they’s been telling us it had been increasing. That, to me, is rank deception bordering on fraud. But lastly (and sadly) it doesn’t take long does it? Personal insults are the inevitable results of weak arguments. You my friend are what’s known as a believer; I don’t have a problem with that - I just think you’d be better off with a good religion. Science is not for you. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2012, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-you-have-is-the-hope-that-maybe-youre-not-causing-the-end-of-the-world/616461/22 "2012-03-26T06:39:37Z")
Hey, showing others your depths of ignorance is not my problem. > **[Paleoclimatology | National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI)](https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/products/paleoclimatology)** > > NCEI manages the world's largest archive of climate and paleoclimatology data. Our mission is to preserve and make this data and information available in order to understand and model environmental variability on an interannual to millennial time... So there is more evidence of why you are a liar, NOAA and other organizations involved have not disowned it, far from it, recent experiments that used the reconstruction data have come out pointing that the warming that is coming is likely to on the low end of the IPCC projections, not as bad as the high end predictions, so we may have some time. Of course, deniers are constantly attempting to make the recently found paleoclimate data to be unreliable, unfortunately deniers are still stupid and do not realize the big contradiction, increasing the uncertainty of the paleoclimate data means that the higher temperatures should be considered to be likely again for the near future. So what should it be? Trust Mann and the paleoclimate evidence and go for low levels of increase in temperature (still bad but manageable if we do something) already within the IPCC predictions, or dismiss Mann and the paleo data and make policy makers revert back to higher estimates and plan accordingly? > **[Oregon State University](https://oregonstate.edu)** > > Oregon State University delivers exceptional, accessible education and problem-solving innovation as Oregon's largest and statewide public research university. ---
**Author:** ![Zagzigger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Zagzigger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zagzigger)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2012, 6:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-you-have-is-the-hope-that-maybe-youre-not-causing-the-end-of-the-world/616461/23 "2012-03-26T06:42:40Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > All you have is the hope that maybe you’re not causing the end of the world. > > The best the anti-AGW side offer is uncertainty. Well, we knew we had that. Are you really, really saying that AWG is a certainty? If so, I think you’re on your own. They don’t tell you - but their technical papers are all about uncertainty. When the time comes they’ll blame you - “you misunderstood” is what their get-out clause will be. Let me ask this - do you think the Climate Systems are more complex than the Stock Exchange price fluctuations? Well if you do, come back and tell me about the Climate System when you’re rich. Otherwise, just admit (as the IPCC once did) that the Climate is a non-linear, linked chaotic system where forecasting is limited to about 4 days on a local level. Everything else in mathematically chaotic - that means not that we don’t know enough, it means that it is impossible to know. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2012, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-you-have-is-the-hope-that-maybe-youre-not-causing-the-end-of-the-world/616461/24 "2012-03-26T06:45:11Z")
> [@Zagzigger](#): > > But lastly (and sadly) it doesn’t take long does it? Personal insults are the inevitable results of weak arguments. Nope, you are also an ignorant on that, there were already many that reheated old baloney like you before, so there is already a past history that you are condemned to repeat it seems. > [@Zagzigger](#): > > You my friend are what’s known as a believer; I don’t have a problem with that - I just think you’d be better off with a good religion. Science is not for you. Funny religion that convinces scientists with evidence after 60 years of experiments. [http://www.aip.org/history/climate/co2.htm](http://www.aip.org/history/climate/co2.htm) So, you are ignorant even on who is following the science, it is clear that you are not even aware of your incompetency. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2012, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-you-have-is-the-hope-that-maybe-youre-not-causing-the-end-of-the-world/616461/25 "2012-03-26T06:47:51Z")
> [@Zagzigger](#): > > Well if you do, come back and tell me about the Climate System when you’re rich. > Otherwise, just admit (as the IPCC once did) that the Climate is a non-linear, linked chaotic system where forecasting is limited to about 4 days on a local level. > Everything else in mathematically chaotic - that means not that we don’t know enough, it means that it is impossible to know. Since climate is not weather you need a fat cite showing the IPCC admitting what you say there, chances are you are just regurgitating denialist claptrap. ---
**Author:** ![Zagzigger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Zagzigger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zagzigger)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2012, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-you-have-is-the-hope-that-maybe-youre-not-causing-the-end-of-the-world/616461/26 "2012-03-26T12:20:52Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Nope, you are also an ignorant on that, there were already many that reheated old baloney like you before, so there is already a past history that you are condemned to repeat it seems. > > Funny religion that convinces scientists with evidence after 60 years of experiments. > > [http://www.aip.org/history/climate/co2.htm](http://www.aip.org/history/climate/co2.htm) > > So, you are ignorant even on who is following the science, it is clear that you are not even aware of your incompetency. Non sequitur in both cases there I’m afraid. Unless you make some kind of basic sense, I cannot even guess what you mean. I really do think you should go and find a useful religion that will not confuse you as much as this does. Turning government propaganda into a religion is not a good idea. Goodbye and good luck. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2012, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-you-have-is-the-hope-that-maybe-youre-not-causing-the-end-of-the-world/616461/27 "2012-03-26T13:08:24Z")
> [@Zagzigger](#): > > Non sequitur in both cases there I’m afraid. > Unless you make some kind of basic sense, I cannot even guess what you mean. > I really do think you should go and find a useful religion that will not confuse you as much as this does. Turning government propaganda into a religion is not a good idea. It’s not a religion for GIGO; I have no idea why he’s refusing to prove you wrong – a single sentence from him could do it – but I’ll mention that he’s offered an entirely falsifiable prediction about global warming: that we’ll see at least a tenth of a degree rise in temperature from '07 to '17, and another in the decade to follow. How many religions put testable claims on the line like that? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-you-have-is-the-hope-that-maybe-youre-not-causing-the-end-of-the-world/616461.md?page=1)