# All you Zimmerman-lovers in the Great Debates thread are... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 8, 2012, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-you-zimmerman-lovers-in-the-great-debates-thread-are/624470 "2012-06-08T04:05:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2012, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-you-zimmerman-lovers-in-the-great-debates-thread-are/624470/21 "2012-06-08T15:09:58Z")
> [@al27052](#): > > At least Bricker is a calm, measured **bigot**. Considering how serious that sort of accusation is, could you provide evidence for it? I seldom find myself on the same side of an argument as Bricker, and I (like many others) get annoyed at his whole “It’s legal so must be right” stance, but I have never seen him act in a bigoted manner. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2012, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-you-zimmerman-lovers-in-the-great-debates-thread-are/624470/22 "2012-06-08T15:36:02Z")
> [@Shakes](#): > > (Sigh) The Trayvon case wasn’t about racism. It was about some wanna’ be jack ass who thought he was Clint Eastwood. I think you’re mostly correct, but given that all 5 of Zimmermans calls to 911 about suspicious people happened to be black, makes me think that there was some at least latent racism on his part. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2012, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-you-zimmerman-lovers-in-the-great-debates-thread-are/624470/23 "2012-06-08T15:40:41Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > I think you’re mostly correct, but given that all 5 of Zimmermans calls to 911 about suspicious people happened to be black, makes me think that there was some at least latent racism on his part. Or maybe all five of those people were suspicious and also happened to be black. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2012, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-you-zimmerman-lovers-in-the-great-debates-thread-are/624470/24 "2012-06-08T16:23:23Z")
> [@Bob Ducca](#): > > Or maybe all five of those people were suspicious and also happened to be black. Just a coincidence, I am sure… ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2012, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-you-zimmerman-lovers-in-the-great-debates-thread-are/624470/25 "2012-06-08T16:42:32Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > I think you’re mostly correct, but given that all 5 of Zimmermans calls to 911 about suspicious people happened to be black, makes me think that there was some at least latent racism on his part. All of the 911 calls I’ve made in the last three years have involved black people. Does that automatically make me a racist or do I get some slack for the demographic makeup of my neighborhood? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2012, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-you-zimmerman-lovers-in-the-great-debates-thread-are/624470/26 "2012-06-08T16:47:08Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > All of the 911 calls I’ve made in the last three years have involved black people. Does that automatically make me a racist or do I get some slack for the demographic makeup of my neighborhood? Depends on the call. Small black child gets hit by a car? No. Black teenagers walking in your neighborhood = suspicious? Yes ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2012, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-you-zimmerman-lovers-in-the-great-debates-thread-are/624470/27 "2012-06-08T17:02:23Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Depends on the call. Small black child gets hit by a car? No. Black teenagers walking in your neighborhood = suspicious? Yes It’s true, I’ve never called 911 because someone was walking down my street. I have made myself conspicuously visible when I see someone walking down the street and taking their time to look through the windows of parked cars. ---
**Author:** ![Gukumatz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/74df32/32.png) [@Gukumatz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gukumatz)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2012, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-you-zimmerman-lovers-in-the-great-debates-thread-are/624470/28 "2012-06-08T17:13:57Z")
**Bricker** , the bigoted hispanic? (IIRC) Quick, someone find me a word for hispanic that starts with the letter b. Then it can be both an alliteration as well as a mind-numbingly stupid allegation. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2012, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-you-zimmerman-lovers-in-the-great-debates-thread-are/624470/29 "2012-06-08T17:38:19Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Well, I did express some discomfort with, “Mr. Zimmerman, it’s been alleged you maliciously killed Treyvon Martin. Please stand. OK, the bailiff may fire when ready.” That one I chalked up to your weird obsession with due process. Spotting the bigots isn’t all that difficult. Look for those who try to portray an ordinary 17 year-old as a stone cold thug. ---
**Author:** ![al27052](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/41988e/32.png) [@al27052](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/al27052)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2012, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-you-zimmerman-lovers-in-the-great-debates-thread-are/624470/30 "2012-06-09T02:47:34Z")
Bricker is obviously a bigot. He’s just an intelligent, educated one. Intelligent, educated bigots do exist. The Grand Wizard of the KKK in North Carolina back in the late 80s was a high-level executive with a large grocery-store chain, IIRC. The fact of the matter is, conservatives in this country are racist, more often than not. This holds _especially_ true for older, more educated, thoughtful, and intelligent conservatives, like Bricker. Why do I say this? Because a thoughtful older American with plenty of education, decades to think their positions through, and the benefit of wisdom-from-experience who _still_ chooses conservatism has got to have a pretty deep-seated reason why they _won’t_ choose compassion. Often, that reason is simply racism. It’s understandable, certainly, but regrettable, I’d say. That’s not to say I think Bricker’s racism is clearly thought-through. Racism rarely, if ever, is. However, there are only so many hours in the day, and years in one’s life, and some people choose to focus their energies in other areas besides examining the facts about racism, and/or their own attitudes about race. Another reason that older Americans tend to be racists is because they were raised in a much more racist time and environment, generally, than younger Americans. I’m just speaking generally there, it doesn’t apply to everyone’s situation. ---
**Author:** ![al27052](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/41988e/32.png) [@al27052](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/al27052)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2012, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-you-zimmerman-lovers-in-the-great-debates-thread-are/624470/31 "2012-06-09T02:48:40Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > You’re quite possibly the most irrational poster I’ve seen here in a long while. I could have a much more reasonable and calm discussion about religion with Der Trihs than I can with you about the Martin case. Surely you’re some sort of performance artist because you can’t possibly be serious. And you’re the calmest, most reasonable human being on the planet. Your example inspires us all.😉 ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2012, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-you-zimmerman-lovers-in-the-great-debates-thread-are/624470/32 "2012-06-09T02:54:16Z")
> [@al27052](#): > > Bricker is obviously a bigot. He’s just an intelligent, educated one. I understand that this is your _opinion_, you’ve made that quite clear. However you don’t give **one single** piece of evidence-from _any_ thread in which **Bricker** has contributed-to lend support to that opinion. The way it stands, you’re just some jack-ass spouting off drivel. You’re not going to sway too many people without any evidence. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2012, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-you-zimmerman-lovers-in-the-great-debates-thread-are/624470/33 "2012-06-09T02:55:24Z")
I’m no Zimmerman-lover. But I don’t see how this thread is contributing anything to the debate over what happened. Arguing that every Zimmerman supporter must be a racist bitch is as irrational as the most extreme statements that have been offered in Zimmerman’s defense. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2012, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-you-zimmerman-lovers-in-the-great-debates-thread-are/624470/34 "2012-06-09T02:57:08Z")
> [@Gukumatz](#): > > **Bricker** , the bigoted hispanic? (IIRC) Quick, someone find me a word for hispanic that starts with the letter b. Then it can be both an alliteration as well as a mind-numbingly stupid allegation. Bandito. Banana picker. (kinda rhymes) Burritovore. ---
**Author:** ![al27052](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/41988e/32.png) [@al27052](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/al27052)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2012, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-you-zimmerman-lovers-in-the-great-debates-thread-are/624470/35 "2012-06-09T03:03:55Z")
> [@Gukumatz](#): > > **Bricker** , the bigoted hispanic? (IIRC) Quick, someone find me a word for hispanic that starts with the letter b. Then it can be both an alliteration as well as a mind-numbingly stupid allegation. Blacks and Hispanics aren’t exactly known for their cross-community respect, admiration, and love. Are you too sheltered to know that? ---
**Author:** ![al27052](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/41988e/32.png) [@al27052](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/al27052)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2012, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-you-zimmerman-lovers-in-the-great-debates-thread-are/624470/36 "2012-06-09T03:04:55Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > I understand that this is your _opinion_, you’ve made that quite clear. However you don’t give **one single** piece of evidence-from _any_ thread in which **Bricker** has contributed-to lend support to that opinion. The way it stands, you’re just some jack-ass spouting off drivel. You’re not going to sway too many people without any evidence. Convincing went out the window, I’m telling people to fuck off with this thread, no more. Please fuck off. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![al27052](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/41988e/32.png) [@al27052](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/al27052)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2012, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-you-zimmerman-lovers-in-the-great-debates-thread-are/624470/37 "2012-06-09T03:06:18Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I’m no Zimmerman-lover. But I don’t see how this thread is contributing anything to the debate over what happened. Arguing that every Zimmerman supporter must be a racist bitch is as irrational as the most extreme statements that have been offered in Zimmerman’s defense. Not every Zimmerman supporter is a racist. Most are, though…I’d bet 75% or thereabouts, if forced to pull a number DIRECTLY from my rear end. ---
**Author:** ![al27052](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/41988e/32.png) [@al27052](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/al27052)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2012, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-you-zimmerman-lovers-in-the-great-debates-thread-are/624470/38 "2012-06-09T03:07:20Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Perhaps Zimmerman shot Martin because the latter pronounced his vowels in a sing-song way, giving them full-breath support. [He must’ve grown up in the jungles of Africa.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15144861&postcount=120) That residual credibility sticking to you was just too odious to hang on to, huh? ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2012, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-you-zimmerman-lovers-in-the-great-debates-thread-are/624470/39 "2012-06-09T03:09:03Z")
> [@al27052](#): > > Give it time. My guess is that they’ll say things that’ll have me foaming at the mouth with outrage in this thread pretty soon. > > But yeah, lame first post in thread. 🙂 I realize I’m only recently returned after a long hiatus, but I kind of thought the idea was that you’re supposed to be foaming at the mouth _before_ you open a thread in the Pit, not in reaction to how people react to your Pit thread. ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2012, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-you-zimmerman-lovers-in-the-great-debates-thread-are/624470/40 "2012-06-09T03:11:16Z")
> [@al27052](#): > > Blacks and Hispanics aren’t exactly known for their cross-community respect, admiration, and love. Are you too sheltered to know that? Bigot. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-you-zimmerman-lovers-in-the-great-debates-thread-are/624470.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-you-zimmerman-lovers-in-the-great-debates-thread-are/624470.md?page=3)