# All you Zimmerman-lovers in the Great Debates thread are... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 8, 2012, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-you-zimmerman-lovers-in-the-great-debates-thread-are/624470 "2012-06-08T04:05:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![enomaj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/59ef9b/32.png) [@enomaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enomaj)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-you-zimmerman-lovers-in-the-great-debates-thread-are/624470/141 "2012-06-12T02:27:52Z")
Zimmerman is both white and hispanic. And black. ---
**Author:** ![al27052](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/41988e/32.png) [@al27052](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/al27052)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-you-zimmerman-lovers-in-the-great-debates-thread-are/624470/142 "2012-06-12T02:37:12Z")
> [@XT](#): > > Um, no…it’s not. Unless you think that justice system is somehow set up to protect hispanic males in supposed shooting crimes. > > -XT The evidence is that killers of whites are far more likely to get the death penalty than killers of blacks. It’s less about the race of the murderer, and almost entirely about the race of the victim. Trayvon was black. Zimmerman’s race is a much, much smaller factor. Would you like me to post a link to the relevant study? ---
**Author:** ![al27052](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/41988e/32.png) [@al27052](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/al27052)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-you-zimmerman-lovers-in-the-great-debates-thread-are/624470/143 "2012-06-12T02:38:13Z")
> [@enomaj](#): > > Zimmerman is both white and hispanic. And black. Zimmerman’s race is irrelevant. The research says it’s the victim’s race that controls execution rates. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-you-zimmerman-lovers-in-the-great-debates-thread-are/624470/144 "2012-06-12T04:07:22Z")
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**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-you-zimmerman-lovers-in-the-great-debates-thread-are/624470/145 "2012-06-12T04:09:23Z")
> [@XT](#): > > …He’s not white, ass, he’s a hispanic. Seriously, if you don’t know anything about the case why are you even discussing it, let alone accusing people of being racist. Bricker is ALSO a hispanic…not a white dude. Your ignorance is showing. Or you are going to tell me there are no [white Hispanics](http://dingo.care2.com/pictures/c2c/share/28/285/500/2850065_370.jpg)? In fact, depending on how far-reaching the term is, I know of almost no Spaniard who qualifies as anything other than"white" – now, fully agree, they are not a majority in most other Latin American countries such as Argentina, but sure enough a safe bet would place “pure white” Latin Americans at least at a 15/20% rate overall. That’s a lot of white “brown” people… ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-you-zimmerman-lovers-in-the-great-debates-thread-are/624470/146 "2012-06-12T04:18:19Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > “Murder someone legally” is an oxymoron. If it’s legal, it cannot be murder. Nonsense. Murder is a moral term as well as a legal term; if some dictator goes to the trouble of legalizing his killings before committing them they are still murder. And then there’s concepts like [judicial murder](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_murder), where the murderer is the legal system itself or its representatives. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-you-zimmerman-lovers-in-the-great-debates-thread-are/624470/147 "2012-06-12T04:53:04Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > I’m on the side of people being allowed to defend themselves against vicious, unprovoked attacks . . . That’s what **Martin** did, not Zimmerman. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-you-zimmerman-lovers-in-the-great-debates-thread-are/624470/148 "2012-06-12T05:11:31Z")
Right-wingers are uniformly Zimmerman supporters, so yeah, race definitely plays a role. Or maybe it’s just a big coincidence. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 8:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-you-zimmerman-lovers-in-the-great-debates-thread-are/624470/149 "2012-06-12T08:33:21Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > That’s what **Martin** did, not Zimmerman. Do you have any actual evidence for Zimmerman launching a vicious, unprovoked attack on Martin? Following him and asking him questions rather obviously doesn’t count. If such evidence does appear, my opinion of Zimmerman will change rather substantially. Until then, I’ll believe that he was attacked and beaten for no good reason. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 11:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-you-zimmerman-lovers-in-the-great-debates-thread-are/624470/150 "2012-06-12T11:24:00Z")
> [@al27052](#): > > Yeah, this is ridiculous. I can’t believe they actually arrested Mr. Wang. That shows that the British have gone too far in trying to protect home invaders. The police did what they tend to do when confronted with a scene of carnage and a body - arrest all parties so that no-one can do a runner, and then work out what happened. By all account the Wangs were released within hours, and in protective custody soon after. CPS at no time raised charges against the Wangs. Not sure how you can say this is protecting home invaders? ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-you-zimmerman-lovers-in-the-great-debates-thread-are/624470/151 "2012-06-12T12:14:23Z")
> [@Gary\_Kumquat](#): > > The police did what they tend to do when confronted with a scene of carnage and a body - arrest all parties so that no-one can do a runner, and then work out what happened. By all account the Wangs were released within hours, and in protective custody soon after. CPS at no time raised charges against the Wangs. Not sure how you can say this is protecting home invaders? Perhaps there’s a misunderstanding here due to the difference between “arresting” and “detaining”, and how the terms apply in the U.S. and the UK? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-you-zimmerman-lovers-in-the-great-debates-thread-are/624470/152 "2012-06-12T14:53:23Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Do you have any actual evidence for Zimmerman launching a vicious, unprovoked attack on Martin?.. Other than a corpse? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-you-zimmerman-lovers-in-the-great-debates-thread-are/624470/153 "2012-06-12T14:57:49Z")
> [@RedFury](#): > > No one is stopping you from doing so. Blast away. > > I don’t necessarily agree with the charge of **Bricker’s** alleged racism, but it isn’t the first time he places “the law” above common sense. > > In closing, I do agree with the OP that there are in fact many a closet racist on the SDMB – this whole Trayvon mess, back to **you with the face** original IMHO thread has exposed a whole lot of them. So you don’t agree (or don’t _necessarily_ agree) that I am a racist, but you don’t say anything to rebuke the person leveling the accusation, because… I place the law above common sense? ---
**Author:** ![Condescending\_Robot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a183cd/32.png) [@Condescending\_Robot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Condescending_Robot)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-you-zimmerman-lovers-in-the-great-debates-thread-are/624470/154 "2012-06-12T15:22:52Z")
Some of Zimmerman’s people getting all up in arms over accusations of racism in the Zimmerman threads went right on over to the New Deal Democrat thread to openly state that they think white people are genetically smarter than black people. Not sure if they think this undermines their credibility or not. ---
**Author:** ![Nars\_Glinley](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nars_glinley/32/8177_2.png) [@Nars\_Glinley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nars_Glinley)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-you-zimmerman-lovers-in-the-great-debates-thread-are/624470/155 "2012-06-12T18:20:47Z")
> [@Gukumatz](#): > > **Bricker** , the bigoted hispanic? (IIRC) Quick, someone find me a word for hispanic that starts with the letter b. Then it can be both an alliteration as well as a mind-numbingly stupid allegation. “Backs that are wet”? Good luck with the alliteration. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-you-zimmerman-lovers-in-the-great-debates-thread-are/624470/156 "2012-06-12T18:40:11Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > So you don’t agree (or don’t _necessarily_ agree) that I am a racist, but you don’t say anything to rebuke the person leveling the accusation, because… I place the law above common sense? Correct. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-you-zimmerman-lovers-in-the-great-debates-thread-are/624470/157 "2012-06-12T21:59:02Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Other than a corpse? Yes. Something that actually functions as evidence of a vicious, unprovoked attack would be nice. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-you-zimmerman-lovers-in-the-great-debates-thread-are/624470/158 "2012-06-12T22:09:40Z")
Besides someone being dead, with a big ol’ 9mm hole in his chest. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-you-zimmerman-lovers-in-the-great-debates-thread-are/624470/159 "2012-06-12T22:34:38Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Besides someone being dead, with a big ol’ 9mm hole in his chest. Yes. Something, for the third time, that is evidence of a vicious, unprovoked attack. You have provided evidence that Zimmerman shot Martin. Well done, although I don’t think anyone’s ever disputed that point. Now, perhaps you could provide some evidence that he attacked him, that it was vicious, and/or it was unprovoked. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-you-zimmerman-lovers-in-the-great-debates-thread-are/624470/160 "2012-06-12T23:15:17Z")
Evidence that Zimmerman attacked Martin? Huh? Well, let see now. We have reliable testimony that he was alive before. Video tape at the Qwik E Mart, for instance. Reliable testimony from the coroner that he is, in fact, dead. Bullet hole. Gun matching bullet hole in Zimmerman’s immediate possession. More? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-you-zimmerman-lovers-in-the-great-debates-thread-are/624470.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/all-you-zimmerman-lovers-in-the-great-debates-thread-are/624470.md?page=9)