# "Allahu Akbar" **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 14, 2015, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/allahu-akbar/737589 "2015-11-14T20:12:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/allahu-akbar/737589/281 "2015-11-19T18:52:05Z")
Goddammit! ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/allahu-akbar/737589/282 "2015-11-19T19:10:33Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > I was not commenting one way or the other on whether these chants (in and of themselves) proved that all Muslims are violent or anything of the sort It’s this level of disingenuity that really steams my piss. In a thread dedicated to lambasting the premise that terrorists aren’t representative of Islam, in response to a moronic question about how would an Islamic scholar interpret a group of fans chanting, you say that comments about other sports fans making violent chants don’t count because there’s not a history of violence behind them. But honestly your comment isn’t anything to do with Muslims being violent. No, ignore all fucking context, previous comments on that topic, everything, honestly you were just commenting on football. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/allahu-akbar/737589/283 "2015-11-19T19:12:09Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > … like being heavyweight boxing champion of the Little Sisters of the Poor convent… Pics, or it didn’t happen. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/allahu-akbar/737589/284 "2015-11-19T19:13:45Z")
> [@Gary\_Kumquat](#): > > It’s this level of disingenuity that really steams my piss. > > In a thread dedicated to lambasting the premise that terrorists aren’t representative of Islam, in response to a moronic question about how would an Islamic scholar interpret a group of fans chanting, you say that comments about other sports fans making violent chants don’t count because there’s not a history of violence behind them. > > But honestly your comment isn’t anything to do with Muslims being violent. No, ignore all fucking context, previous comments on that topic, everything, honestly you were just commenting on football. Read up on the concept of a “data point”. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/allahu-akbar/737589/285 "2015-11-19T19:40:53Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > Read up on the concept of a “data point”. Read up on the concept of sincerity. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/allahu-akbar/737589/286 "2015-11-19T19:43:37Z")
No, once you understand the concept of a “data point” the sincerity issue won’t apply. So you need to go first … ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/allahu-akbar/737589/287 "2015-11-19T21:04:49Z")
> [@lance\_strongarm](#): > > Goddammit! Stepped on another rake, eh? ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/allahu-akbar/737589/288 "2015-11-19T21:06:54Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > No, once you understand the concept of a “data point” the sincerity issue won’t apply. So you need to go first … Fuck me, you are truly tedious. You’re now going to try to hide behind what, precisely? An attempt to claim that really you weren’t implying anything, just commenting on andros’ specific example? When he pointed out other sport fans also did prickish things, you weren’t trying to rebut it, you were just…nope, I fucking give up. What point were you trying to make? Funnily enough, a data points not exactly a hard concept to grasp. Sincerity, on the other hand, appears to be completely beyond you. ---
**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/allahu-akbar/737589/289 "2015-11-19T21:21:45Z")
I think **FP** is sincere, **Gary**. I just can’t help thinking he sincerely wants to participate in broad ranging and deep discussions by commenting exclusively on very narrowly defined and shallow aspects of the discussion (whether or not tangential to the subject) as they present themselves. It comes off as obfuscatory, but really it’s just idle pedantry. I don’t think I’ll engage in any more of these time wasting side arguments with him. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/allahu-akbar/737589/290 "2015-11-19T21:35:37Z")
> [@Gary\_Kumquat](#): > > Fuck me, you are truly tedious. You’re now going to try to hide behind what, precisely? An attempt to claim that really you weren’t implying anything, just commenting on andros’ specific example? When he pointed out other sport fans also did prickish things, you weren’t trying to rebut it, you were just…nope, I fucking give up. What point were you trying to make? > > Funnily enough, a data points not exactly a hard concept to grasp. Sincerity, on the other hand, appears to be completely beyond you. I submit that given your many instances of faux confusion in the positive gun news thread that you have scant justification to be lecturing anyone about sincerity. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/allahu-akbar/737589/291 "2015-11-19T21:52:09Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I submit that given your many instances of faux confusion in the positive gun news thread that you have scant justification to be lecturing anyone about sincerity. When I need an opinion about fucking a cardboard tube, I’ll be sure to give you a shout. Until then isn’t there a child rapist somewhere you should be defending? ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/allahu-akbar/737589/292 "2015-11-19T22:12:48Z")
> [@Gary\_Kumquat](#): > > Funnily enough, a data points not exactly a hard concept to grasp. That only makes your failure more pathetic. > [@xenophon41](#): > > I just can’t help thinking he sincerely wants to participate in broad ranging and deep discussions by commenting exclusively on very narrowly defined and shallow aspects of the discussion Some truth to this (especially the “narrowly defined” part). > [@](#): > > (whether or not tangential to the subject) Not so much to this. Subjects like the level of support for terrorism and extremism in the Muslim world are Big Subjects, with a lot of uncertainty and nuance, and they don’t lend themselves to being pinned down conclusively in discussions of this sort. And certainly not to proving from one particular incident. There are a lot of subjects of this type. But even in such subjects, you can form an informed opinion by looking at the big picture, comprised of many smaller incidents and evidence that you encounter over time. So the assessment in each individual case can be meaningful to the bigger subject. Not because it settles the issue on its own, but because it forms part of the bigger picture. In sum, you can engage in a discussion of a narrowly defined aspect of an issue which is not tangential to the subject and is meaningful to the bigger issue, but this does not amount to a declaration that this issue on its own is conclusive as to the bigger issue. Aka a “data point”. > [@](#): > > I don’t think I’ll engage in any more of these time wasting side arguments with him. Sure thing. Everyone has their own interests. Do what works for you. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/allahu-akbar/737589/293 "2015-11-19T23:29:27Z")
> [@Gary\_Kumquat](#): > > When I need an opinion about fucking a cardboard tube, I’ll be sure to give you a shout. Until then isn’t there a child rapist somewhere you should be defending? Now, now, now, don’t be such a testy asspipe! I no more defended a child rapist than the Sandusky jury did and you know it. If you want to discuss it further I’ll meet you anytime in the appropriate thread. In the meantime I’ll reiterate that your silly little performance in the positive gun news thread absolutely precludes you from being able to attack anyone here for being insincere. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/allahu-akbar/737589/294 "2015-11-20T02:57:22Z")
Shame about Jared, eh? Another victim of the counterculture. Or is he a moral degenerate greenlit by the counterculture and their “anything goes” mentality? I know we’re to blame somehow. Longhairs, or those who wish we still were. Muslim something terrorist yada yada, to remain on topic. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/allahu-akbar/737589/295 "2015-11-20T03:15:10Z")
Did you ever glance at Bork’s book, _Slouching Towards Gommorah_? Like P.G. Wodehouse, but dark and malevolent. Few things have warmed my heart more than meditating on how much that cramped and constipated asshole hates my guts. Groovy. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/allahu-akbar/737589/296 "2015-11-20T04:21:24Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Now, now, now, don’t be such a testy asspipe! . . . You’re still holding it at the wrong angle. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 6:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/allahu-akbar/737589/297 "2015-11-20T06:40:34Z")
Hey! You’re going to tell _him_ the correct angle? Bit presumptuous, wouldn’t you say? ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/allahu-akbar/737589/298 "2015-11-20T07:09:14Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > That only makes your failure more pathetic. When you bring more to a thread than quibbling pedantry and an inability to understand context, then I might give a flying fuck about your opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 7:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/allahu-akbar/737589/299 "2015-11-20T07:14:14Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I’ll reiterate that your silly little performance in the positive gun news thread absolutely precludes you from being able to attack anyone here for being insincere. Because honestly, you think there’s something disingenuous about asking just how disarming an armed assailant with krav maga or blowing someone up with a drone is positive gun news. Between that and the whole defending child rapists thing, you really are a very strange person. Did you know that? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 7:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/allahu-akbar/737589/300 "2015-11-20T07:58:50Z")
Speaking on behalf of strange people everywhere, could you maybe rephrase that last part? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/allahu-akbar/737589.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/allahu-akbar/737589.md?page=16)