# Alleged James Foley "beheading" video is so incredibly fake. How is anyone buying this bullshit? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 21, 2014, 7:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alleged-james-foley-beheading-video-is-so-incredibly-fake-how-is-anyone-buying-this-bullshit/696069 "2014-08-21T07:59:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![EasyPhil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e47c2d/32.png) [@EasyPhil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EasyPhil)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2014, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alleged-james-foley-beheading-video-is-so-incredibly-fake-how-is-anyone-buying-this-bullshit/696069/241 "2014-08-25T11:54:11Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > I don’t see where they mention the CPR dummy. Could you link to the **Experts’** analysis of the neck and the elbow, and how they prove that it’s not Foley’s dead body? Thanks in advance. As more expert eyes begin to critically look at and evaluate this video, you may be surprised by the findings. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2014, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alleged-james-foley-beheading-video-is-so-incredibly-fake-how-is-anyone-buying-this-bullshit/696069/242 "2014-08-25T13:30:42Z")
> [@EasyPhil](#): > > Now that **Experts** are saying the video was “staged” what do you folks have to say? That this shit was dealt with on page one? > [@EasyPhil](#): > > my posts have resulted in fighting your own ignorance of this video by actually watching it. ‘I got you to watch a video of a guy being murdered.’ This is one of the most wretchedly pathetic things I’ve ever read. ---
**Author:** ![EasyPhil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e47c2d/32.png) [@EasyPhil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EasyPhil)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2014, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alleged-james-foley-beheading-video-is-so-incredibly-fake-how-is-anyone-buying-this-bullshit/696069/243 "2014-08-25T13:31:02Z")
> [@Enola\_Gay](#): > > I agree with So What in the sense that James Foley is still dead & was murdered by ISIS. But since the British are allegedly close to identifying the executioner in the video, the fact that the video may have been staged & the real murder took place off camera can cause a major problem in prosecuting him for murder. I hope I am wrong, but that is my concern. How do you know he’s dead? The video is fake/staged, where’s the evidence of his death? This video was supposed to be that evidence. ---
**Author:** ![EasyPhil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e47c2d/32.png) [@EasyPhil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EasyPhil)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2014, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alleged-james-foley-beheading-video-is-so-incredibly-fake-how-is-anyone-buying-this-bullshit/696069/244 "2014-08-25T13:32:57Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > That this shit was dealt with on page one? > > ‘I got you to watch a video of a guy being murdered.’ This is one of the most wretchedly pathetic things I’ve ever read. This is dumb, anyone with a brain now knows he wasn’t murdered on this video. Snap out of that trance already. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2014, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alleged-james-foley-beheading-video-is-so-incredibly-fake-how-is-anyone-buying-this-bullshit/696069/245 "2014-08-25T13:33:46Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > If the question isn’t “meaningful” to you, and your posts don’t represent your actual opinions on the subject, you are posting just to yank peoples chains and hence are trolling. As I said, it’s really not a good idea to suggest that that’s what you are doing, since trolling is against the rules here and is a bannable offense. Where do you get from him saying it’s not meaningful to him to the notion that his posts don’t represent his views on the subject? These are two completely unrelated matters. ISTM that you have seriously distorted EasyPhil’s words here. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2014, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alleged-james-foley-beheading-video-is-so-incredibly-fake-how-is-anyone-buying-this-bullshit/696069/246 "2014-08-25T13:44:10Z")
> [@EasyPhil](#): > > This is dumb, anyone with a brain now knows he wasn’t murdered on this video. Snap out of that trance already. I beleive the word you are looking for is ‘sheeple’. Anyway, one more time: if Foley wasn’t killed on camera, what difference does it make? ---
**Author:** ![EasyPhil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e47c2d/32.png) [@EasyPhil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EasyPhil)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2014, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alleged-james-foley-beheading-video-is-so-incredibly-fake-how-is-anyone-buying-this-bullshit/696069/247 "2014-08-25T13:48:40Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > I beleive the word you are looking for is ‘sheeple’. > > Anyway, one more time: if Foley wasn’t killed on camera, what difference does it make? If the video is the source and confirmation of his death and that is fake/staged, it is possible he wasn’t killed. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2014, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alleged-james-foley-beheading-video-is-so-incredibly-fake-how-is-anyone-buying-this-bullshit/696069/248 "2014-08-25T13:52:59Z")
> [@EasyPhil](#): > > This is dumb, anyone with a brain now knows he wasn’t murdered on this video. You know what’s dumb? Watching a torture video so you can argue about whether a hostage was murdered on- or off-camera. > [@EasyPhil](#): > > If the video is the source and confirmation of his death and that is fake/staged, it is possible he wasn’t killed. Because [mumble]. ---
**Author:** ![EasyPhil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e47c2d/32.png) [@EasyPhil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EasyPhil)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2014, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alleged-james-foley-beheading-video-is-so-incredibly-fake-how-is-anyone-buying-this-bullshit/696069/249 "2014-08-25T14:01:28Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > You know what’s dumb? Watching a torture video so you can argue about whether a hostage was murdered on- or off-camera. > > Because [mumble]. It’s not a torture video. Experts, meaning not you, have concluded that it was staged/fake. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2014, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alleged-james-foley-beheading-video-is-so-incredibly-fake-how-is-anyone-buying-this-bullshit/696069/250 "2014-08-25T14:02:16Z")
> [@EasyPhil](#): > > As more expert eyes begin to critically look at and evaluate this video, you may be surprised by the findings. Yes, I might. My question, however, for the _nth_ time, is what specific elements of the still image shown at the end led you, **EasyPhil** , to conclude that it is not a photo of Foley’s decapitated body? ---
**Author:** ![elninost0rm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ed655f/32.png) [@elninost0rm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elninost0rm)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2014, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alleged-james-foley-beheading-video-is-so-incredibly-fake-how-is-anyone-buying-this-bullshit/696069/251 "2014-08-25T14:03:21Z")
> [@EasyPhil](#): > > If the video is the source and confirmation of his death and that is fake/staged, it is possible he wasn’t killed. So his family etc. are in on it? What is your end-game here? Stop JAQ’ing off and get down to brass tacks. Is the government teh evilz? Let’s bring your actual inference into focus here. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2014, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alleged-james-foley-beheading-video-is-so-incredibly-fake-how-is-anyone-buying-this-bullshit/696069/252 "2014-08-25T14:04:36Z")
nm, asked and answered ---
**Author:** ![The\_Great\_Unwashed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_great_unwashed/32/4791_2.png) [@The\_Great\_Unwashed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Great_Unwashed)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2014, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alleged-james-foley-beheading-video-is-so-incredibly-fake-how-is-anyone-buying-this-bullshit/696069/253 "2014-08-25T14:05:20Z")
nm ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2014, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alleged-james-foley-beheading-video-is-so-incredibly-fake-how-is-anyone-buying-this-bullshit/696069/254 "2014-08-25T14:09:22Z")
> [@EasyPhil](#): > > It’s not a torture video. A fake execution would absolutely be torture. This is yet another point that was discussed upthread. > [@](#): > > Experts, meaning not you, have concluded that it was staged/fake. And I concluded days ago - as did everyone who’s less nutty than you - that unless the guy is alive, it’s unimportant. Your experts agree he’s dead. Now what? ---
**Author:** ![EasyPhil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e47c2d/32.png) [@EasyPhil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EasyPhil)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2014, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alleged-james-foley-beheading-video-is-so-incredibly-fake-how-is-anyone-buying-this-bullshit/696069/255 "2014-08-25T14:15:07Z")
> [@elninost0rm](#): > > So his family etc. are in on it? > > What is your end-game here? Stop JAQ’ing off and get down to brass tacks. > > Is the government teh evilz? Let’s bring your actual inference into focus here. It doesn’t have to be that complicated. If all of the outrage, etc, is based on this video and the video is staged aka faked, it could be a simple matter of gullible people buying into a lie. This happens all of the time, in the absence of facts, people fill in the blanks with their own notion of reality. This thread illustrates that, look at all of the theories about what took place “off camera”. Of course nobody knows what happened “off camera” because they weren’t there. Keep in mind this video was played up as being “real” and so horribly gory that it would make you head explode just looking at it. This resulted in people that haven’t seen it, buying into the narrative 110% and now we know it’s staged/fake. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2014, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alleged-james-foley-beheading-video-is-so-incredibly-fake-how-is-anyone-buying-this-bullshit/696069/256 "2014-08-25T14:20:01Z")
> [@EasyPhil](#): > > now we know it’s staged/fake. This is common among your ilk, but you’re gradually overstating your cite. You linked to an article called “Foley murder video may have been staged,” and now you’re saying we know it’s a fake. We don’t. One company says the killing may have taken place off-camera. And they could certainly be right, but you can’t jump from ‘one firm says it may be fake’ - are they the best company in their industry or the worst? is there a broader consensus? are they agreeing or disagreeing with that consensus? - to ‘we know it’s fake.’ ---
**Author:** ![EasyPhil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e47c2d/32.png) [@EasyPhil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EasyPhil)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2014, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alleged-james-foley-beheading-video-is-so-incredibly-fake-how-is-anyone-buying-this-bullshit/696069/257 "2014-08-25T14:20:50Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > A fake execution would absolutely be torture. This is yet another point that was discussed upthread. It would be, but I think water boarding would be worse, and we all know that’s not torture. > [@](#): > > And I concluded days ago - as did everyone who’s less nutty than you - that unless the guy is alive, it’s unimportant. Your experts agree he’s dead. Now what? They aren’t my experts, and keep in mind experts were wrong about the video being “real” and the current crop of experts could be wrong about him being dead. Where’s the proof? ---
**Author:** ![EasyPhil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e47c2d/32.png) [@EasyPhil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EasyPhil)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2014, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alleged-james-foley-beheading-video-is-so-incredibly-fake-how-is-anyone-buying-this-bullshit/696069/258 "2014-08-25T14:23:03Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > This is common among your ilk, but you’re gradually overstating your cite. You linked to an article called “Foley murder video may have been staged,” and now you’re saying we know it’s a fake. We don’t. One company says the killing may have taken place off-camera. And they could certainly be right, but you can’t jump from ‘one firm says it may be fake’ - are they the best company in their industry or the worst? is there a broader consensus? are they agreeing or disagreeing with that consensus? - to ‘we know it’s fake.’ You don’t need an expert to tell you that the video is staged/fake, if your brain is working correctly you can clearly deduce that yourself. This is the reason the “experts” are now coming out and saying such. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2014, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alleged-james-foley-beheading-video-is-so-incredibly-fake-how-is-anyone-buying-this-bullshit/696069/259 "2014-08-25T14:25:25Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Okay, I looked at the elbow. I looked at the neck. And? What do they show? And don’t say “that it’s fake.” Be specific. > [@VinylTurnip](#): > > If \*\*Rigamarole \*\*or anyone else does have specific observations that debunk the video or the photo (something less useless than “look at the elbow”), I’d honestly be interested in hearing them. > [@VinylTurnip](#): > > I don’t see where they mention the CPR dummy. Could you link to the **Experts’** analysis of the neck and the elbow, and how they prove that it’s not Foley’s dead body? Thanks in advance. > [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Yes, I might. My question, however, for the _nth_ time, is what specific elements of the still image shown at the end led you, **EasyPhil** , to conclude that it is not a photo of Foley’s decapitated body? Still waiting. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2014, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alleged-james-foley-beheading-video-is-so-incredibly-fake-how-is-anyone-buying-this-bullshit/696069/260 "2014-08-25T14:26:37Z")
> [@EasyPhil](#): > > It would be, but I think water boarding would be worse, and we all know that’s not torture. This is why stupid people shouldn’t play dumb. They can’t even do it right. > [@](#): > > keep in mind experts were wrong about the video being “real” and the current crop of experts could be wrong about him being dead. Again, you are overstating your cite. And now you’re casting doubt on your own experts by saying they are definitely right about the video (you’re more certain than they are) and possibly wrong about Foley’s death. > [@EasyPhil](#): > > You don’t need an expert to tell you that the video is staged/fake […] This is the reason the “experts” are now coming out and saying such. I love the self-contradictory idiocy of these two statements. ‘We don’t need experts. That’s why the experts say I’m right.’ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alleged-james-foley-beheading-video-is-so-incredibly-fake-how-is-anyone-buying-this-bullshit/696069.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alleged-james-foley-beheading-video-is-so-incredibly-fake-how-is-anyone-buying-this-bullshit/696069.md?page=14)